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If you're Brian Cashman, do you re-up Rivera for the same $15M he makes now, or do you try to squeeze him down a few M?
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If he has another typical Rivera year, then I don’t see how they can cut his salary. I think this is a much different situation than Jeter. We’ve got to assume Jeter is going to decline, so it doesn’t make sense to pay him the same salary (or give him a raise). While Rivera will eventually stop doing what he does, he shows no signs of slowing down now. In that case, it’d be hard to justify a pay cut, and two years, $30 million seems quite reasonable.
by long time listener on Feb 18, 2010 1:02 PM EST reply actions
that gets a +1...
Luckily Cash seems to have the luxury of seeing how this season plays out, before committing to anything.
I would do what the Red Sox do with Wakefiled for both Jeter and Rivera
$15 MM for Rivera, $20 MM for Jeter.
1 year deals every year. If you want to come back, it’s automatically there. Play until you don’t want to or can’t play anymore.
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Only problem i see with that is....
A 1 year deal to icons like jeter and Mo is like a spit in the face IMO…..
Jeter had a near mvp caliber season last year….so really if he just shows 3/4’s of that ability this season….it’ll still be a lot better production then his peers around the league….
Besides I think jeter is going to be one of those produce til your 45 type player…probably not defensively…but he’ll always be productive with the bat….
That’s my opinion ofcourse….
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by NYYWinsRings27 on Feb 18, 2010 1:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
A 1 - year deal is a spit in the face
A statement of “Have as many 1 year deals as you want without taking a paycut” isn’t.
It just means that they can decide when they want to retire and that we don’t have any binding long term contracts that they may not want to play out.
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Jeter will decline while Rivera won't. Seriously?
In the World Series Rivera was holding a heating pad to hurting ribs and throwing barely 90 mph. He got people out, but he wasn’t blowing them away. Can anyone seriously argue that his future aches and injuries won’t be more frequent? That he won’t lose velocity? When your whole game is variations on a fastball, and you begin to lose velocity, you become hittable.
There’s nothing wrong with another year at this number for as long as you want it. Paul O’Neill did that the last 2 or 3 years, and he walked in by himself, shook hands and was out with a deal in 15 minutes.
by designatedquitter on Feb 18, 2010 1:55 PM EST reply actions
He hadn't been blowing away people all year
he doesn’t need to. Thats what makes him so great. His control is so good, that he doesn’t have to blow it by batters to be successful. Control is far more important for a pitcher than velocity. How many times last year did you see him painting the very edge of the outside corner to lefties with that backdoor cutter? Or the usual cutter in on the hands? As long as he can do that, he’ll be fine and he won’t slow down. And age doesn’t typically take away a pitchers ability to control the baseball. In fact, I have seen several cases where pitchers control has improved with age. Rivera being one. Also, Mike Mussina’s walks went way down in 2008 when he learned to pitch just with control and not blowing it by hitters.
Rivera will be fine. Injuries may become more frequent, but up to this point, they haven’t. And he’s showing no signs of slowing down. I’ll need to see the breakdown of Mo before I believe that he’s slowing down.
his K rate is pretty steady
When a pitcher’s strikeout rates start to decline, that’s when it’s time to worry. Mo’s health will be a concern because he’s over 40, but I’d be willing to wager a steak dinner that Mo has an ERA around 2.00, and around 65 IP in 2011 (yes, 2011).
by long time listener on Feb 18, 2010 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Both are legends. Pay them what they want.
Just no long contracts. No more than 3 years for either (more likely 2).
Jeter i think will get a contract longer than 3 years
probably around 4
by Brian5517209 on Feb 19, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
Pay that man whatever he wants!
Whatever. he. wants.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Feb 18, 2010 2:33 PM EST reply actions
Mo is 40, Jeter is 36.
Mo is will accept one-year deals at present salary until he decides to retire.
With Jeter, you have to build in risk, because he’s going to want 4 years guaranteed. So that means a salary cut. 4/18 per.
Interesting topic
but I don’t think Brian cashman is losing sleep over this. they’ll know what to do both sides will come to an agreement pretty quickly. Mo will retire a Yankee whatever year that is. A new monument will soon follow and few years after that Cooperstown, Amen. Enjoy what youre watching ladies and gentleman you might never see a more dominant closer ever again in your lives.
Rivera throwing in the 80s is not the same guy throwing 94.
He also won’t turn into Mussina, the pitcher he is the least similar to. Mussina had a number of different pitches, which he threw at different speeds. Even if Mo doesn’t lose his command of location, which is often what disappears before velocity, an upper 80s cutter just won’t break bats like you’re used to seeing.
Jeter will decline as well. Both players are first ballot hall of famers, but they are still subject to the same effects of aging as everyone else. Mo already seems to be dangerously close to the edge. I’m hope i’m wrong.
by designatedquitter on Feb 18, 2010 3:40 PM EST reply actions
Rivera's basically at 91mph right now
2-3 MPH but more movement?
MO doesn’t deserve any doubt, until he shows sign of decline other then dipped velocity.
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
You have a typo:
It says “90%” when it should say “100%”.
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I understand the sentiment
But Cash was ready to leave Pettitte behind after signing Sabathia and Burnett. They let Pettitte walk before. They just let Damon and Matsui go over a difference of a million bucks or two.
I wonder if Cash won’t run the cost analysis and decide $12M is the most he’ll pay for sentiment, and if the Dodgers or the Cubs will go to $13M, then so be it.
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He deserves to be paid in Cervelli’s.
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by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
MO's the man
159 strikeouts and 18 walks last two years. Cashman doesn’t have to worry about paying Mo on sentiment.
If I were Cash...
I would start negotiations at a slight pay cut, maybe 15M for Jeter and 12M for Rivera, but don’t be afraid to go up to their current salary. If either Jeter or Rivera show regression this year, they will probably accept a bit of a cut, realizing they are nearing the end and aren’t worth the same value.
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Cashman’s a cold-hearted bastard when it comes to negotiating, but he’s no fool, either. Rivera, Jeter are the poster boys. He’s not going to risk a pr disaster with either of them.
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