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I know, I know I promised not to post before I leave for Florida Sunday, but a few things happened of late that I couldn't resist posting about.

First of all, if Johnny Damon is really close to a deal with the Tigers or the White Sox for a 2 year $14M deal (the Yankees original offer) fans will surely be impressed by Scott Boras' job. Job well done, right? Wrong. Job not done well. Damon made it known from the beginning that he wanted to play for the Yankees, or the team that gave him the most money. After all this is said and done the Yankees will be the team that gave him the most money (or tied, or maybe 1-2 million less) in their original offer. The offer was on the table, but Boras said not to even discuss such a ludicrous deal. Ludicrous? Funny, because now that is the deal that Boras is likely going to be praised for prying out of the Tigers or White Sox.

Speaking of which, how about the Tigers and/or the White Sox? Getting Damon for $7 million per, great deal, right? Wrong. Damon could have been signed for about 1-year, $5 million if the team played their cards right. Instead, it looks as if the two teams are in a bidding war for a 36 year old rapidly defensively declining hitter. Damon will surely be a DH only if not this year, but next. Also, Damon's numbers were assisted by Coors Field East. Damon hit 17 of his 24 home runs at Yankee Stadium, while Hideki Matsui hit 13 of his 28 at the Ballpark in the Bronx. Just a few things teams interested should consider. No deal is done, but one will likely come soon. The deal will likely look like a bargain. In reality, it will probably be a complete flop.

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Second of all, how about the Yankees trying Jesus Montero out at first? This move really has no downside, but fans seem to be getting a little worked up about nothing. As Travis said in the fanshot, it would make tons more sense for Montero if he worked out in the corner outfield spots. With first base occupied for many years to come and Mark Teixeira being the every day type of player he is, there is no point in claiming Montero a future first-base option. Rob Abruzzese of Bronx Baseball Daily tries to offer one option, saying "So next year the Yankees could use Montero as a first baseman for about 50 games. They could also use him to spell Jorge Posada for at least 50 games and then DH for the final 50 or so other days." This idea would not make sense, as stated in the comments of the article, Teixeira would not play DH/sit out 50 games. One idea that could work though is testing Montero out in the corner outfielder spots in spring training and practice and seeing how he fits there. Let him start the season as solely a catcher and if that fails try him out splitting time between corner outfield, catcher, and DH. Thoughts?

That's all I have to rant about today, unless you want to hear my thoughts about the New York Rangers acquiring Jody Shelley yesterday (ugh....oh wait wrong sport)

I'll try to reply to all comments before I leave, but on a happy note, when I come back pitchers and catchers will have reported!

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That's Damon's fault as well
Damon made it known from the beginning that he wanted to play for the Yankees,

If he wanted to be a Yankee so bad, he should’ve canned Boras and negotiated his own deal, before it was too late.

by FloridaownsFSU on Feb 13, 2010 9:17 AM EST reply actions  

Use the whole sentence
Damon made it known from the beginning that he wanted to play for the Yankees, or the team that gave him the most money.

Writer for Pinstripe Alley.
"Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth."
"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."

by Brandon C. on Feb 13, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions  

How big would he be if he did can Boras

…and took a 1/5 to come back to The Bronx!!!

(Never happen right?)

(right?…)

I’ll stop.

I wish we could continue to just show up and play for no reason. No umpires, no scorers. Just show up and have fun.
-- Alex Rodriguez

by dorsal on Feb 13, 2010 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

I don't get why...

Johnny Damon is getting so much grief. He is doing what every single other free agent does – he’s trying to get himself the best deal possible. The Yankees never offered him 2/14 – it was merely a hypothetical proposal based on the condition that they were unable to sign Nick Johnson. If the Yankees were anything more than luke-warm about bringing Damon back he’d be a Yankee right now. I don’t know what you guys expect. Was he supposed to run crying into Brian Cashman’s office “Please I want to be a Yankee so badly! I’ll play for whatever you offer me!”

That just doesn’t happen. What Damon is doing is the same thing he did when he left the Red Sox to join the Yankees and when he left the A’s to join the Red Sox. It’s exactly the same thing that every free agent the Yankees have ever signed has done.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Feb 13, 2010 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

He could have signed with the Yankees

for 2/14 at the time. He did nothing wrong, Boras didn’t help the situation

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"Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth."
"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."

by Brandon C. on Feb 13, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

He couldn't have though

I’m not sure if it’s still available anywhere but try and listen to the Michael Kay interview with Brian Cashman from a couple of weeks ago. It was one of the better interviews that Cashman has ever given because he was very open about everything. Cashman said that Boras came to him asking for 2/20 in late December. He told Boras that he could see the Yankees going as high as 2/14, but that they already had an offer out to Nick Johnson so that Damon would have to wait. Johnson accepted and the 2/14 offer to Damon was never made.

I guess it can be said that Boras shouldn’t have opened up asking for 4 years, but the Yankees have negotiated with him before. They know he does this with every player. If they had a strong desire to bring Damon back they would have negotiated from the beginning and gotten it down to a reasonable 2 year deal. If they wanted Damon back they wouldn’t have told him that he had to wait on Nick Johnson.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Feb 13, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually it does happen...

Often times players (in all sports) will take less money to “play at home” or stay with their current team or to finish out their careers in a place they want to be. Especially, players who have already made their money, who are older in age, or who want a chance to win. All of which describe damon. And when those players do take less money than they could get elsewhere and show a tad bit of loyalty they are always adored. Although it certainly doesnt happen often.
Not to compare Damon with Mo or Jeter, but i would be very surprised to see either of them play elsewhere for just a few more bucks…

by pmpspmp7 on Feb 13, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

It's very rare

There are very few examples of payers, old young or whatever, who take less money than they think they can get to stay or go to a particular team. There are players who sign before reaching free agency but by doing that they’re getting the benefit of added security.

This especially doesn’t happen with the Yankees. When you’re talking about the team that spends more money than anyone else in sports, no player wants to be the guy on the team who isn’t getting what he thinks he’s worth or more. I can’t remember a Yankee taking less than market value to stay since Paul O’Neill, and I can’t really remember any before that either.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Feb 13, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

damon

damon’s numbers are a product of yankee stadium. just wait till he signs somewhere else and his rbis and hrs are cut in half.

by eddieo311 on Feb 13, 2010 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

Johnny or Nick? Monterro should stay at catcher

I would rather had Johnny at 2 years/$7MM per year contract than Nick at $5MM plus incentives & injury prone history. Johnny did not want our offer so we moved on and took Nick. If he stays healthy, he will deliver.

I think Monterro should work hard on his catching skills in the minors and we should focus him on being the eventual replacement for Posada. It makes no sense at first base(Tex is there) & OF where we are focusing on speed & defense plus maybe Crawford at some point

by YANKEES FOREVER on Feb 13, 2010 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

you're right

that it would be great if Jesus does become the future catcher. but what if his bat is light years ahead of his catching? does he stay in the minors honing his defense while his bat could help the ML team? that would be a waste, imo. i mean, i’m not sure what to do either. if his catching really isn’t ready but his bat is, would he DH? then what happens to NJ?

re: Damon, why are these 2 teams reportedly competing so hard for this guy? i think part of it is just Boras playing one off the other.

by Travis G on Feb 13, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Montero

He is a catcher till proven otherwise. Does anyone remember Elston Howard. Yes Yankees put him in left field. Then put Yogi out there. So still looks like he is a candidate to see time out in the outfield. This is a trend the Yankees have long pursued.

Just makes a lot of sense for Montero to have a back up plan. Yes I think there is nothing wrong with him working out at first. But my god give him another option that will get his bat in the Yankee starting line-up. Yes he can DH but at his age he need to develop in the field. So the corner outfield position seem to be a good option. Surely he want be any worse than Damon. Maybe even better with his strong arm.

by djoep2000 on Feb 13, 2010 12:09 PM EST reply actions  

Just because

he would spend some time in the outfield and/or DH doesn’t mean he couldn’t be honing his catching skills. If his bat is that good he needs to be on the roster. What better place to learn than at the major league level with Posada and to a larger extent with his manager, a former catcher. There’s more to “learning” than just the game. These guys get plenty of work in the pen before and after games and on off days.
Let him come up NOW. Get some time behind the plate. Get some looks at mlb pitchers. Get in some AB’s. And lots of time learning.

by david d on Feb 13, 2010 12:17 PM EST reply actions  

Move along...

It’s time we all move along little doggies (line from a song, nothing personal folks).
Johnny Be Good and Matsui are not walking thru that door..and Spring Training is upon us….Yep Johnny, you managed to become the Manny of this offseason talk, now I am done with the offseason, let’s go!

by Great Gatsby on Feb 13, 2010 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

duh
Mark Teixeira being the every day type of player he is, there is no point in claiming Montero a future first-base option

when i first heard about monterro trying out at first base thats just what i though, honestly try out Monterro at catcher and outfield and maybe this season have him play a few games at both positions. playing Teixeira as a DH would be waste and shouldnt come up for another decade.

by Meatface on Feb 13, 2010 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

sigh...

can we start the season already?

This Montero ""trying out 1B" is annoying.

Many catchers try out other positions…usually 1B as its the closest position to their own (usually just have to stand there to field grounders).

Probably about 95% of catchers, their ‘backup position’ is 1B.

From the LF/#9 hitter thing, to the offseason’s signings to this…can the pitchers just meet the catchers early?

Bye, AP :(

by FreeBradshaw on Feb 13, 2010 2:31 PM EST reply actions  

Wake Up And Smell The New Dynasty, Yankee Faithful!

Nice post, Brandon. I can’t believe all this huffing and hyperventilating over Montero, Damon, Hideki etc.

My pinstripe brethren shouldn’t get too attached to Jesus. Like Austin Jackson, Montero will see some spring game time and perhaps some early season ABs to showcase his progress. And then he will surely return to the minors for more seasoning and then dangled as trade bait come the July deadline for either a needed pitcher or catcher, or kept in the bait well until the off-season and the next great free agent feeding frenzy where his future positives will make the difference in securing another key dynasty puzzle piece. (Remember we’re targeting Crawford next year, and the Rays need a permanent catcher solution badly!) Suggesting he’s going to take a single meaningful rep away from All-Everything Tex or anyone else this year is simply silly.

As for Damon, he is done like dinner, and I’m getting fed up with all the ill-informed Yankee bandwagon jumpers whining and crying here and elsewhere about our Matsui/Damon geezer dump.

Bottom line: The Bombers jettisoned a cripple (Matsui) and an overrated paycheck player who throws like a girl (Damon) and traded in their bloated paychecks for a healthy young speedy All-Star stud with a bigger bat than either of them who’s all upside (Granderson), a #2 hitter whose 2009 on-base percentage was only topped by the NL and AL MVPs (Johnson) and a #4 starting pitcher who came in 4th in NL Cy Young voting last year (Vazquez), along with some very helpful support players that give Joe G and Cash lineup options and roster flexibility down the stretch.

The myth that Damon is still any kind of speedster is pure fiction perpetuated by casual fans, out of town writers who didn’t watch him play every day and Boras the Liar, his agent. Gardner had to cover left center all season for him. He only had 12 steals all last season — just two more than Melky who batted at the bottom of the order — and his infamous two-bag theft in the Series was the result of a double error; first a bad throw from the catcher and then the pitcher’s failure to cover third with the shift on. (His replacement Grandy had 30 HRS and 20 SBs last year anyway, btw)

Without the sweet right-field porch in the new Yankee Stadium and Arod and Tex protecting them in the batting order, neither Johnny Spoiled Rotten nor Hideki are going to see another season in MLB after this one, let alone another post-season. And their replacements will slot into their lineup spots just fine.

For even more Yankee fun, check out “Joe’s Job – The Ballad of Terry Francona” at

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvVZQnELQ9s

It’s a must-see for Yankee and BoSucks fans alike! Go Yankees! 28 in 2010!!!

by nyyankeefanforever on Feb 13, 2010 3:40 PM EST reply actions  

Montero defense

There certainly is precedent in Elston Howard’s career in giving Montero time at both 1B and LF. Howard did the same before Yogi was spent as a catcher and went to LF near the end of his career. I do not know whether Montero has the speed to play LF — and certainly not in Fenway! But it does make some sense.

by logiet on Feb 13, 2010 4:03 PM EST reply actions  

Why not right

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"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."

by Brandon C. on Feb 13, 2010 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that RF would be a much better fit than LF

there is a lot less ground to cover in RF, especially at Yankee Stadium, and everyone says that Montero’s best defensive attribute is that he has a strong throwing arm.

If it doesn’t work out at catcher, which I’m not ready to decide one way or the other, the best natural fit for him would be 1B, but Tex is entrenched there, so the second best natural fit would be RF.

This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.

by Lord Duggan on Feb 13, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I completely agree with every word of what you just said…that is very rare for me

Writer for Pinstripe Alley.
"Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth."
"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."

by Brandon C. on Feb 13, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm honored man

This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.

by Lord Duggan on Feb 13, 2010 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Montero best option for us is catcher, second best is RF

Montero should spend 2010 at AAA working primarily on catching(75%) & RF(25%).

Montero should be given the opportunity to win the back-up catcher position to Posada in 2011. I believe Posada’s contract runs through 2011. I do not believe we will need his bat in 2010 unless we have a lot of injuries. I do not believe he would be a solution in RF on a permanent basis at the major league level without a lot of RF seasoning in the minors and major league level.

Let Montero develop naturally as a catcher & plan on 2012 first string permanent role.

by YANKEES FOREVER on Feb 14, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

3rd base anyone?

Give the kid a third baseman’s glove too..Do nanes like Torre, Inge, Zeile, come to mind.
(Sorry for last entry, Mets faithful).

by Great Gatsby on Feb 14, 2010 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

the name Rodriguez also comes to mind

Since he’s the guy who’s going to block Montero at 3rd for about 5-6 years.

by long time listener on Feb 14, 2010 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Who?

Never heard of him

Writer for Pinstripe Alley.
"Today I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of this earth."
"So I close in saying that I may have had a tough break, but I have an awful lot to live for."

by Brandon C. on Feb 17, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

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