Thoughts about Cliff Lee, the Yankees, and Other Yankee Moves
by Brandon C. on Dec 14, 2010 3:52 PM EST
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-Why would Cliff Lee possibly sign with the Yankees? If the Yankees did not offer the most money, why would he pick the most unknown of the three teams? The Rangers were offering him the most money, and if he wanted the most money he would go there. The Phillies offer the place that he really wants to go to. What did the Yankees offer him that the other two teams couldn't?
-The Yankees simply weren't an option at the end. This is more of an opinion than a fact, but based on the evidence it seems this way. It seems Lee was torn between Texas and its money or Philadelphia and his love of the city and team. He was likely trying to get the Phillies involved all weekend, and if they didn't get involved he would go to the Rangers, as shown by his calling the Rangers personally.
-I have no problem with Lee's decision personally. I think it was a bold decision that I am not going to exactly applaud, but I do think it's good for baseball to finally get that player that picks happiness over money. Money does not equal happiness, or at least that's what it seems like.
-Lee is not like Lebron James. He did not plan this out with two other free agents and make a show about it. He simply chose where he wanted to play and it happened to be with the team that had great pieces in place.
-While this is sad to have to say, Roy Halladay likely had to give permission for the Phillies to give Lee more money than him. That's sad that these days they have to get permission, but it's reality. Good job by him to give it.
-I do not consider Lee signing with the Phillies a loss for the Yankees, but a win for the Phillies. There is something about the Phillies organization that Lee must have loved, and the Yankees should try to get that same thing. Players should want to play for your team, like Lee wanted to play for the Phillies.
-All of you fans acting like this is the end of the world are giving Yankees fans a bad reputation. Lee made the decision that made him happiest, and I do not hate him for that. The only reason to hate him would be if he knew earlier in the off-season that he was not interested in the Yankees, which we do not know for sure.
-I am happy Cliff Lee is not a Yankee if he only wanted to sign with the Yankees for the money. I am also happy the Yankees won't be paying Lee $20 million+ when he is 37.
-This off-season is not a failure yet. The Yankees just signed Russell Martin, who is a great low risk, high reward candidate. They can easily go out and sign the top two relievers and the top bench players on the market and trade for a great pitcher as well. The off-season is not over at all.
-The Yankees are now more prone to do two things: Overpay for relief pitchers, and trade top prospects.
-Let's hope the Yankees don't go crazy spending money on relievers that end up flopping like Kyle Farnsworth.
-The Yankees should be worried, but not desperate. They should not trade Montero/Gardner because that would create holes by filling holes.
-The rotation should not be left as is. The Yankees should do whatever it takes to bring back Pettitte, trade for a starter such as Chris Carpenter, Gavin Floyd, or Jair Jurrjens (just throwing names out there) and possibly sign a Chien-Ming Wang type if they come cheap. Rotation depth>one great starter.
-The Yankees still shouldn't have gone for Carl Crawford or Jayson Werth.
-If the Yankees do trade for a starter, they should try to make it like the Curtis Granderson deal, or even the Javier Vazquez deal. Either trade big league parts that are easily replaceable (i.e. Phil Coke) along with a prospect that is being replaced by the player being traded for, or trade a top prospect that's low in the system.
-How long before someone starts a blog called David Adams' knee ankle?
-I bet CC Sabathia won't opt out. I don't know why, but that's just a hunch.
-If you suggest the Yankees sign Carl Pavano you will get the banhammer and will also lose your Pinstripe Alley membership card, the ability to buy Yankees tickets, and you will be forced to wear this at all times for the length of the contract you proposed.
-Please don't declare a Phillies vs. Red Sox World Series already. It's December, c'mon people!
That felt good to say. I actually was taking notes throughout the day of what I wanted to say in this post. I need to get out more, evidently.
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If you remember when he was traded from Philadelphia he was unhappy and wanted to stay in Philly so i wasn’t surprised when i heard this and his wife played a big factor for what the fans did to her in the ALCS
Thats why hes a Phillie not a Yankee.
He went for the money and the win.
"Don't give up, don't ever give up."
I doubt if he went to NY
he wouldn’t be getting money and wouldn’t be getting the win.
He went to Philly cuz he likes it there. Likes the coaches. Likes his teammates. I dunno about the city cuz it smells like goat excrement, but maybe he likes that sort of thing.
He was getting paid, and going to win wherever he went.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Lee can probably make an additional $1M or 2M in endorsements in NY.
by Scooby Snacks on Dec 14, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Who knows?
And more importantly who cares?
"Kurt Smells Like Teen Spirit"
by Gelatin on Dec 14, 2010 4:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Yanks offer was 7 years
the Phillie’s was 5 years (plus an option).
The Yanks were rumored to have multiple deals on the table, like a 5 year one with a higher AAV.
He didn’t go for the money. He was gonna get paid no matter where he went.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
There are also reports that his wife was harassed at Yankee Stadium last year and that she had a vote on where he went. It would be a shame if his decision were influenced by the bad behavior of a few fans.
Mickey C
Cliff Lee himself refuted those claims
Also… am I the only one who sees the irony in choosing philadelphia fans over NY fans if that story were true? lol Those Philyl fans ahev always been so friendly to outsiders, haven’t they?!
"Madison Square Garden is the ultimate basketball stage. That's where I belong. That's where I live. That's the home of the New York Knicks." - Amar'e Stoudemire
by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 16, 2010 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
We should have seen this coming
Once the wife spouted off the writing was on the wall. If there is somehow a Philly-Yankee World Series they will need to put visiting wifes in a private box because you know some idiot(s) will try something. When did Yankee Stadium become Old Tratford?
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Dec 14, 2010 4:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agreed, don't trade Montero
Look for value buys/reclamation projects. Lefty relief is always a need. They do need to beg Andy to comeback. But the team won a title in 2009, the don’t need to empty the farm system for Grienke. Maybe this is our “bridge year”?
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Dec 14, 2010 4:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Lee was going to get paid wherever the hell he went
don’t act as if the Yankees didn’t offer a good deal with a great amount of money. The Yankees offered him a ton. He went to Philly not because of the money, but because he seems to enjoy it there. Why? I wouldn’t know because Philly does indeed smell, but he just wanted to go there. Sometimes it’s not only the money that factors in.
The only Chein-Ming Wang type I’d sign is Chein-Ming himself. I’d give Webb a bit of consideration as well, but I would be all for signing Wang to a cheap contract to give him the opportunity to resurrect his career where he had so much success.
If Andy comes back, then I’d rather hang onto the current team rather than trade for Jurrjens or Floyd. If Andy does indeed retire then they need to trade for a starter, but if he comes back, then let there be an open competition in camp for the 5th spot. Here’s an idea. LET JOBA START! And like I said I wouldn’t be opposed to bringing Chein-Ming Wang back as the fifth starter either.
"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot."- Kobe Bryant
don’t act as if the Yankees didn’t offer a good deal with a great amount of money. The Yankees offered him a ton. He went to Philly not because of the money, but because he seems to enjoy it there. Why? I wouldn’t know because Philly does indeed smell, but he just wanted to go there. Sometimes it’s not only the money that factors in.
Are you talking to me? The general point I tried to make was this exactly. Lee never wanted to go to the Yankees.
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This idea Lee is some sort of hero needs to stop
He ended up not leaving that much on the table. It’s still the fourth richest contract for a pitcher. If that option vests in full it almost matches the Yankee’s offer.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Dec 14, 2010 5:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Plenty of offseason left to go.
I say we trade the farm for Grienke and save up all our cash for Pavano next season. Followed by a brisk trade to get Melky back and help Cano hit more. Than we can trade CC, Grienke and Hughes to Philly for Halladay and Lee and see where we are from there with Halladay, Lee and Pavano.
All this will occur while we sit in the cellar of the AL East and the Mets play the Los Angeles Royals in the first 8 Game World Series.
Now where’s my shirt?
"Kurt Smells Like Teen Spirit"
by Gelatin on Dec 14, 2010 4:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I am glad
I am glad Lee did not choose NYY as it always is too risky to pay a pitcher $23M + when he is 38~39. Lee is a type of pitcher who can decline fast as soon as he loses couple miles on his FB. As far as NYY’s rotation in 2011, it is shaky at best certainly no better than Philly or Boston.
SP1: CC will be fine as he has been.
SP2: Hughes is a question mark here, but let’s hope he can repeat 2010 (1st half that is).
SP3: Burnett is an even more question mark as you don’t know which Burnett will show up.
SP4: Let’s hope that Andy come back. If not, NYY should try to sign someone like Webb or Harden.
SP5: Nova at least should be better than Javier last year. They should also consider Joba here.
RE: Russell Martin
I didn’t like the deal before and kinda still don’t, but it seems it might have in the makings one of those deals that we shrug off, but when he returns to all-star form we say “what a steal and then laugh at the Red Sox stinky catchers”.
Especially if this is merely just cuz Montero ain’t ready for the bigs just yet, not since they’re trading him.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I like the Martin deal and I dont think it means that Montero is going anywhere
I just have a feeling this guy is going to return to form and wind up being a chip later on.
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by YankeesJets on Dec 14, 2010 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
Sigh, I put the wrong body part. Time to edit!
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Can someone clarify this whole ankle thing?
The Mariners backed out of the Lee deal because David Adams’ ankle was injured, but it wasn’t?
This could be one of the most significant non-baseball related baseball injuries since Aaron Boone. We could look back on this in 5 years and be thankful for this “injury”
Should we put David Adams in Monument Park yet?
Cus he sure as hell saved the Yankees
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by Chris Child's Fist on Dec 16, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I was not in favor of shelling out the years and $ for Lee
I am not a big Cliff Lee fan. However, I have a new found respect for him as he appears to have accepted a lower offer and left 10’s of millions of dollars on the table. Of course $120 million ain’t exactly chump change.
Yankees will still be an elite team next year and should contend for the AL crown. Then we can beat Cliff and Roy in the WS.
by YanksFanSince64 on Dec 14, 2010 4:41 PM EST reply actions
Wait a minute...
Just read through the details and with a sixth year vesting deal the total deal with Philly would be $13 million less than the Yankees deal. I think the hero worship (he went for happiness over money) is a bit premature. I take back some of my respect.
Texas is the team that should feel scorned. Not the Yankees.
by YanksFanSince64 on Dec 14, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Housing costs are way lower in Philly
The deal he took was equal to the Yanks deal in that way. I know many people who live in the Philly area and he will be able to do more with the money there. I am sure his advisors realize this as well. He is a rich man either way. Could buy his home state of Arkansas right now.
"You kind of took it for granted around the Yankees that there was always going to be baseball in October"
Whitey Ford
No he didnt take less money. As i said in another post – with housing costs in Philly being WAYYYYYYYYY less than NY the deals are equal. He can buy a mansion worthy of Trump in Philly for only a few million.
"You kind of took it for granted around the Yankees that there was always going to be baseball in October"
Whitey Ford
I like your idea about Carpenter & Petitte
Carpenter was 16-9, 235 innings, 3.23 ERA last year. If we trade for Carpenter & get Andy back for one more year we will be better off than getting Lee and no Petitte.
We need Feliciano or Fuentes plus Wood for the pen.
Regarding Lee, since he really did not want to be with us, I am glad he chose where he wanted to be and also happy for that to be in the National League.
by YANKEES FOREVER on Dec 14, 2010 5:12 PM EST reply actions
No Fuentes. He’s crap. If we want a lefty Arthur Rhodes is still available even though he’s 41. Matt Guerrier and Jesse Crain are also very useful options although they aren’t lefties.
Feliciano is the best option as a lefty
He does well against lefties and at the very least should be able to do alright until Marte comes back.
Wood needs to be resigned now. The bullpen needs to be finalized. They need 2 relievers, maybe three added before the season starts. I would go with Wood and Feliciano, and then do an open competition for the last spot.
"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot."- Kobe Bryant
I never said Feliano was a bad option. I wouldn’t be too upset if we got him. Just saying Fuentes is garbage. Wood is a must sign. He was great for us and we could use that again in the back end of our bullpen. You have him and Rivera that means our starters only need to go 7 innings.
the Yankees have some solid mid-relievers too
Joba and Robertson are two guys I have a lot of confidence in to get through the sixth and seventh and even the eighth innings. I think Cash may have missed some nice options for the bullpen while he was busy pursuing Lee (Benoit and Downs), but there’s still guys he can get that makes the pen very strong.
"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot."- Kobe Bryant
Benoit and Downs wouldn’t have been the best options. Maybe Benoit (since he was type B but I don’t know if I would’ve trusted him since last year was a career year imo) but Downs was a type A guy so we would have to give up our first rounder for him. Kerry Wood is the way to go. We know how good he can be because he had success with us last year.
I doubt Cashman will overpay for a reliever. He hasn't done that in quite sometime.
Maybe he’ll re-sign Kerry Wood, but at his own price or Feliciano. Other than that, they find a utility man and righty bat that can play the field.
I don’t care if they overpay for 1 or 2 years of a high end reliever. A great bullpen can help cover up a weak rotation. If you have 3 guys you can go out there half the time and pitch lights out it’s a great safety net for the starting pitchers because they know they don’t have to go out there and pitch 7-8 innings to get a win. They would only have to pitch 5-6 innings and turn it over to the bullpen who can shut people down on a nightly basis.
a few things
I cant stand how some of the MSM are declaring the Phillies and Red Sox pennant winners in mid-December. they seem to forget the Sox lost Beltre and VMart and the Phils lost Werth. I also hate when they say, "The Yankees must feel terrible after losing out on Werth, Crawford, and now Lee!" The only one they were really ‘in on’ was Lee.
as for what to do now -
1. Get Pettitte back.
2. Take fliers: Prior, Webb, Duchscherer.
3. Dont trade Montero. With the age of some of our starters, we may need every bat available.
4. Trade for a good mid-rotation guy (preferably a LHP): Gio Gonzalez? Buehrle? Wandy Rodriguez?
5. Give a real chance to Nova/Joba to win a SP spot.
6. Sign some good relievers (not Type-A’s though)
7. See what the July trade-market looks like.
by Travis G on Dec 14, 2010 6:01 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
I recommend this post. It is excellent.
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Yes indeed. Sound thinking that may
very well mark the difference between third place and fourth.
There is no baseball without Cliff Lee. He makes the difference between winning the World Series and coming in 4th place in the division.
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by Lord Duggan on Dec 15, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
There will always be baseball...
ask any Pirate fan.
Well, is there?
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
by Rorschach44 on Dec 15, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions
and
that if a big name does appear on the market (e.g. Greinke, Johnson), make a play for them at a reasonable price.
Oh of course if the Marlins make Johnson available the Yankees better start knocking at their door. I’m not sold on Greinke.
+1 to that as well. Phelps really got overshadowed by the major strides taken by so many of the other bigger “names” in the system, but here’s his 2010:
AA: 88.1 IP, 2.04 ERA, 2.44 FIP, 8.56 K/9, 2.34 BB/9, 0.96 WHIP
AAA: 70.1 IP, 3.07 ERA, 2.92 FIP, 7.29 K/9, 1.66 BB/9, 1.27 WHIP
Flying WAY under the radar, but very solid numbers. I wouldn’t surprised at all if both him and Hector Noesi can find ways to contribute to the big club in 2011. And in 2012, we’ll say the exact same thing about Adam Warren, D.J. Mitchell, Andrew Brackman, and maybe even ManBan and Betances.
I love the pitchers coming up through our farm. If only we had some damn outfielders…..
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maybe we can turn some of those pitchers into outfielders
Not by switching positions, of course, but via trade.
by long time listener on Dec 14, 2010 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
I’m a big Noesi fan- he’s way ahead of Nova on my depth chart.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
I'm tired of prospect watching, bet none of them see light with Yankees
The Yankees haven’t produced a solid starter since Pettitte. Hughes is so so, Joba couldn’t start, Wang got hurt, they traded Lilly and Westbrook before they developed. I seriously doubt Cashman and the ability of the Yankees to scout young pitching anymore. It seems that Boston has a never ending stream of good young pitching in their system: Lester, Bucholtz, Papelbon, Bard.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Dec 14, 2010 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Hughes has only pitched 1 year as a starter. He’s bound to get better. Give him a chance before you call him so-so. Also I think Joba was ruined by those stupid restrictions they put on him. It had nothing to do with his talent imo. Honestly I think they should give him another shot with those stupid restrictions and see how he does.
The only type A reliever is Soriano. Anybody else is fair game. (the other type A’s were non-tendered).
Gio Gonzalez is a great idea. I never thought of him. But yeah I agree 100% here. No need to panic just yet.
Yankees just signed Mark Prior to a Minor League Deal
Victory is at hand!
"WHO WOULD LEAD?! THE CLOWN?!"
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 14, 2010 6:07 PM EST reply actions
YES!!!!!
This is exactly what we needed. Who needs Cliff Lee when we have Mark Prior? LOL
But in all seriousness this is a good signing. Maybe he can do what Moseley did for us and play a key role at some point.
brandon, the yankees scored the most runs in the majors last season. the biggest problem doesn’t show up in the box score so it appears the yankees and you don’t have a clue. here it is , the space between short and third is like grand canyon. routine ground balls to the left side continually end up in left and left center. resigning jeter means the same problem. just read yesterday that by all standards jeter is ranked 59 out of 59. . a-rod now looks stiff and clumsy at 3rd, and of course every ball hit to swisher is an adventure. yankees and many of their fans have forgotten how criticle good defense is. if i was a left handed groundball pitcher , the yankees would be my last choice and before some morons start calling me a closet sox fan, i have been a devoted yankee fan since 1946. instead of signing antiques almost eligible for soc security, they better get younger and more athletic real soon.
Grandy, Gardner, Cano (and putting Posada at DH) are a step in the right direction with defense. The Yankees needed to resign Jeter just because of his legacy. No way he sticks at SS for much longer. I bet A-Rod moves to DH real soon after Posada’s contract is up and we slide Jeter to 3rd and get someone as a stop gap to play SS at a high defensive level. Now Jeter at 3rd isn’t ideal but it’s better than him at SS and ARod at 3rd.
What’s even more criticle is spelling ability.
Ok, that was just for picking on Barndon. It is not as bad as you make it out to be. According to UZR and DRS, Cano is an above average defender, Arod is a couple runs below average, Jeter is well below average but not the worst SS in the league, and Teixeira is, in my opinion since the advanced stats don’t work well for 1b, above average. In the outfield, Swisher is just a bit below average, Granderson is above average, and Gardner is possibly the best defensive player in the game. Our defense overall is average. With the offense we bring to the table, that’s not so bad.
Montero will be our savior in 2011.
We'll probably regret resigning Jeter
That last few years will be like watching the Mick 1965-68. YES will replay his 3000 hit game at nauseam but Jeter will continue to slip both offensively and defensively.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Dec 14, 2010 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
Those who live in glass houses ought not throw stones, you even misspelled your name when you registered, Barndon!
Montero will be our savior in 2011.
Jeter isn’t going to be playing SS for the rest of his contract. I would bet they move him to 3B sometime soon and DH ARod. So while he may decline defensively it’s not nearly as important at 3B.
I wish they could do it this year but Posada clogs up the DH for A-Rod
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Dec 14, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
That’s why we will probably do it next year. IDK who we who get to SS but at least it would be an upgrade defensively.
Too bad they can't just cut Posada like the NFL
He can’t catch anymore and his offensive production has been falling, plus injuries. His 4 contract has not been good, hurt almost all of 2008, good most of 2009, hurt and non-productive in 2010. He’s also been a malcontent since Girardi became manager. His whole beef with AJ could have cost them the 2009 World Series.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Dec 14, 2010 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Posada’s stats as a DH over the past few seasons are encouraging that he will likely be a servicable DH at worst. His stats are so much on games he DH’s as opposed to catches. Hopefully those stats hold up next year and he has a bounce back season. Also Just cutting Posada isn’t a great way to handle the situation involving a possible future HOFer and career Yankee.
the yankees offered the most guaranteed money.
the Rangers offered the most potential money.
I believe in the Church of Baseball
Free FreeBradshaw!
by Frank Campagnola on Dec 14, 2010 7:25 PM EST reply actions
Best comment of the day
How many friggin’ posts were there today pertaining to Cliff Lee?
There's always next year
I am glad that the Lee stuff is over
I am going to a Christmas party where I will be the only Yankee fan amongst Phillie fans and I expect the worst. However, I have said “KEEP LEE” from day one. I am glad he is not a Yankee. I have NEVER liked him. This deal was for the best.
"You kind of took it for granted around the Yankees that there was always going to be baseball in October"
Whitey Ford
Yankees' New Years Resolution
Teach Gardner to bunt.
I liked this post a lot, Barndon.
Money aside, everyone acts as though $24m is somehow a difference in magnitude from $22m. It isn’t. Every deal offered to Lee makes him just more stupid rich, and he’s already stupid rich. He isn’t some kind of hero for leaving money on the table, if he in fact did so.
If you had a winning Powerball ticket for $120m, would you somehow feel less rich if the previous winner’s ticket was $140m? You, your children, your grandchildren, and great grandchildren are set for life. You’re talking about living as millionaire off the regular trust fund check you’re getting for the next three generations under any of the offers on the table. That’s the reality of you’re crabbing about.
Under those circumstances, just sign with the team you would rather play for.
PS Maybe your ‘Sabathia won’t back out of his deal’ hunch is based upon his saying just that.
Again, excellent post.
by designatedquitter on Dec 15, 2010 10:39 AM EST reply actions
Don't panic!!
Not giving the Sox the division just yet because they lost two bats (Martinez and Beltre) as well. Yankees need to go to plan B
- Signing Martin was a good move and taking a “Flyer on Prior” costs nothing
- Need to resign Andy as well as Kerry Wood (give him closer dollars as he was great in the set up role and can close on days that Mo needs a rest).
- Give Joba a shot at being a starter as there is nothing to lose here. If he gets bombed in spring training its back to the pen.
- Inquire about Josh Johnson as Grienke is too risky.
- Inquire about Felx as he really is the best pitcher in the league and would be worth parting with Montero, Gardner etc.
If Andy retires, look for a guy like Braden, Carmona, or gavin floyd (which will cost prospects)
no haha from me I think you are right the back end of the contract could be ugly and you may have dodged a bullet
Yes, there is much winter left and the Sox and Yanks still need upgrades in the pen plus Sox a bounce from Beckett and the 2nd half Lackey. So, both teams need to fill holes. Also, as a Sox fan I have seen Joba as over-hyped but best in the pen. I dunno I would think starting Joba does not make sense. But, again apart from flashes of brilliance I do not think he has ‘learned’ to pitch anymore than when he first came up. I think Hughes will be fine next year probably all the innings and also hitters adjusting by watching videos of him. Burnett? Crapshoot. AL East Champions? Who knows? And, BTW where is the offense coming in Phila now? Just a thought…
"Man that ball got outta here in a hurry, you know anything that travels that far oughta have a damn stewardess on it, don't you think?" - Crash Davis
Howard is great at striking out in key situations and getting meaningless RBIs. (Sounds a lot like a guy we have on our team. I’m not saying I’m one of those people who say that about A-Rod just saying there are people who do.) Utley is great, Rollins is starting to decline. He’s getting older. So they have Utley. Victorino and Polanco are okay the rest of the offense is way overrated.
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