It's Time For Joba Chamberlain to Start
This upcoming season the Yankees are going to have some starting rotation questions. CC Sabathia, A.J. Burnett and Phil Hughes are locked down under contract. If Andy Pettitte is willing to come back, great. The Yankees will undoubtedly be looking to add a starter to their arsenal.
But if there is one guy that the Yankees need to make a final decision on, it's Joba Chamberlain.
Joba came up into the league in 2007 and became an instant fan favorite and superstar. Joba's lights out relief work helped get the 2007 Yankees into the postseason.
In 2008, Joba had another great season, starting out of the bullpen and then in the rotation he was excellent once he got into rhythm, highlighted by an outstanding outing against the Red Sox, outpitching Josh Beckett, striking out 9 and getting the 1-0 win. Injuries slowed him the rest of the year, but overall the season was a success for Joba.
In 2009 the Yankees were ready to give Joba a chance to be a member of the starting rotation right out of the gate. He was actually pretty good for a while. I remember my first visit to Yankee Stadium that year, it was against the Red Sox and he struck out 12 Red Sox hitters after struggling in the first. A hot streak in July left him with the best ERA for Yankee starters at the end of July. Then the Joba Rules kicked in and he struggled the rest of the way. Obviously the rules had a negative effect on him. For the postseason he was moved back to the bullpen and pitched OK, and helped the Yankees win a championship.
And then in 2010, while I can't complain about Phil Hughes, I think the Yankees made a big mistake. 2010 was supposed to be Joba Chamberlain's first full season as a starting pitcher. It was supposed to be the opportunity for Chamberlain to go out there and pitch out of the rotation with not limits. Just let him go out and pitch and see what happens. Let him let his stuff take over. But of course, based on like 3 spring training starts, Phil Hughes was chosen and Joba despite all the innings limitations and babying him, was banished to the bullpen again for the season.
An now we are coming up to 2011, and the question once again is, what will Joba Chamberlain's role be? I think they did him a real disservice this season. The whole point of limiting his innings and hurting his 2009 season was to get him ready to start this year, and they took that chance away from him over a rough couple of games in spring training (one of which I believe he was sick with the flu). Hughes did a great job, not denying that, and he's solidified his spot in the rotation next season.
However, it's time for Joba Chamberlain to join him and join the Yankees rotation next year. The Yankees have been preaching that he should be a starter for years. Why would they go back on that because of a bad spring training? Joba should be a starter because...
1. It is very difficult to grow good starting pitchers out of your system, and signing them out of the market year after year can be even more difficult.
2. Joba has shutdown stuff that he can use for multiple innings. This was evident in his 12 strikeout game against the Red Sox. When he's on he has the ability to put the team on his shoulders and carry them. I want someone capable of doing that in the starting rotation.
3. Joba has a world of potential. The Yankees get the most value out of him as a starter. Not a setup man. And especially not as a middle reliever, which is the role Joba was banished to during August and September. In the playoffs Girardi didn't trust him in big spots. If they just want him to be a mid-reliever they are wasting his talent.
4. Starting pitchers are more valuable than relievers. Lets look at the 2009 offseason. The top starter (Sabathia) earned a 161 million dollar contract. The top reliever (K-Rod) earned less than 1/4 of that. And that was following a season where he set a saves record. Which role do you think is most important?
The Yankees are in need of starting pitching. I do agree that they need to add a starter especially if Pettitte doesn't come back. But I'm not against the idea of not signing anybody if Andy comes back in order for Joba Chamberlain to be inserted into the rotation. It's time for the Yankees to make a choice with Chamberlain and stick with it. He's going to be 25 next season and entering his 5th season in the major leagues. And he's still not sure of his future role. Doesn't there seem something wrong with that?
It's time for the Yankees to insert Joba into the rotation, take off the leash and see what he can do. I think he'll surprise some people if they do that.
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I voted yes, but only if he earns it this Spring. It can’t just be given to him.
There's always next year
And if he's needed
I would rather see Andy return and sign Cliff Lee than put Joba in the rotation in 2011. (Sabathia, Lee, Hughes, Pettitte, Burnett)
Then, if Joba can beat out Aceves, Moseley, Nova, Mitre and whomever else comes to camp, then Joba can be in the rotation.
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by jscape2000 on Nov 7, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
+1
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Absolutely. But if he wins the starting position, he has to keep it all year and not be afraid of a single bad outing sending him back to the penitentiary.
by designatedquitter on Nov 8, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
Something is wrong
lee, Sabathia, petite, Hughes, and guy from Asia??I don’t know name)—-Joba is too inconsistent —good for trade bait…
Will any guy from Asia do? Or did you have someone more specific in mind?
I’m guessing that you mean Yu Darvish, but how can you credibly make the point that he belongs in our rotation if you don’t know enough about him to remember his name?
I’m just picturing Brian Cashman flying across Asia having a reality show “So You Think You Can Be The #5 Starter For The Yankees?”
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there's a lot of guys from Asia
even more if you include the ones that are living elsewhere, but FROM Asia.
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amazing how his stats from 2009 are similar to Hughes' were this year
and yet Joba was seen as a complete failure while Hughes was a revelation
yea I know
ridiculous. Joba was one of the best pitchers in the rotation last year before the limit kicked in.
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His ERA was better than Sabathia’s and he was coming off a stretch of 3-4 games where he was unhittable.
We get it, you don’t like the guy. You still should back up why he’s so bad with some facts.
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leave him in the pen.
we should stop moving him around and give him one thing to focus on
Melkman smells.
Joba jsut proved how much worth middle relievers get.
a 3rd or 4th starter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> relievers. Joba has like a 4,21 FIP as a starter in the AL East. Buchholz did that one eyar and look he was among the league leaders in ERA.
Show patience Yankees ffs. He has the talent to let you save money. Do everyone a favor and let him use it.
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agreed. if Lee and Andy both come back, there’s no room for him. If Andy retires, Joba should get a shot.
Montero will be our savior in 2011.
a rotation of CC, Lee, AJ, Hughes and Joba is outstanding
I’d be upset that Andy would have retired, but at the same time I’d be excited to see Joba get a chance should he get that chance.
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id also like to see AJ get the chance to drop in the rotation and see how he bounces back from a rough season
I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.
I don't think it happens
And if it does it actually may be bad for him. You think it may hurt his confidence if they Yankees drop him to 4th or 5th in the rotation to start the season?
I have a feeling, just a gut feeling, that to start out the season he’s going to be the #3 guy if Lee is signed, followed by Hughes and Joba or Andy and Hughes. If he pitches badly and earns his way back down thats one thing. But I think they’re going to do what they did with Mussina in 2008. Plug him right in where he was before and let him sink or swim. Moose did great. Lets hope we get the same out of AJ because if Burnett can be good thats a big boost for next year.
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We get it, you don't like the guy.
Doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have a chance to start.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Nov 12, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
i agree
that he should be given an opportunity, but Girardi already said he “sees Joba as a reliever” next year.
he did?
I must have missed it. You have a link?
Even though he may have said that nothing is ever final with Joba is it?
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oh I see
well like I said, nothing is ever set in stone. I think Joba will at least be given the opportunity to compete for a spot in spring if Andy doesn’t come back.
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Trade Him
Joba is a small-market pitcher. It’s all in his head. You can see it in his mannerisms on the mound. New York is too much pressure for him. I think he should be traded to Kansas City or St. Louis, where he can be closer to his family and be allowed to mature.
Maybe Chamberlain and/or Gardner for Greinke.
Chamberlain and/or Gardner won't get Greinke.
Not even close, really.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Nov 8, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
Give them AJ too!
I would totally stand outside Marc Albrighton and/or Barry Bannan's house(s) playing Peter Gabriel music.
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He is the loosest guy I have ever seen in pre game
I’m pretty sure he is not a headcase
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Joba is small market pitcher? You can tell by his mannerisms?
That is compete and utter horse shit. Sorry.. Wait no, I’m not sorry.That was a dumbass thing to say.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
I think he needs to learn another pitch or two before he's allowed to start.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 8, 2010 1:59 PM EST reply actions
I'm not sure exactly how much trade value Joba Chamberlain would have now...
He was the Messiah in 2007 and now isn’t perceived the same way. He had a solid second half of the season though. I’m not sure where I’d rather see him at this point…
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am I the only one thinking we shouldn't re-sign Pettitte?
Assuming that we sign Lee, of course, it seems like Pettitte is expendable. Why not let him ride off into the sunset after (in my opinion) a HOF career? That frees up the fifth spot in the rotation, into which we plug Joba – at a much lower cost, too. (Saying that, I know that if Andy wants to come back, he’ll be back.)
by long time listener on Nov 8, 2010 4:09 PM EST reply actions
probably...
Andy was the Yanks best starter this year. Showed that right after his man region healed, he was still their best pitcher.
CC, Lee Andy AJ and Hughes about as good as a rotation can get.
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true
But then we lose another year of development for Joba. If we believe (as I do) that he can still be a quality starter, don’t you want that to happen sooner rather than later? And doesn’t it make sense for him to take starts away from the a guy who’s almost certainly not going to be here in 2012? And is the best candidate out of all those guys to miss significant time in 2011?
by long time listener on Nov 8, 2010 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think the best thing for Joba
is to be traded and allowed to start and develop as a starter on a team with less of a “win now” mentality. Not so much to lower expectations, but to actually let him grow and learn. He can only learn so much sitting in the bullpen and, as in September and October of 2010, hardly be called upon to pitch.
For the Yankees, the best thing is probably to keep him in the bullpen and either help him develop into the next closer or set-up guy and just leave him there.
One thing I have a definite opinion on is that it’s probably best for the Yankees and Joba to go into either Spring Training or the 2011 season with a definite and unchanging role for Joba.
i wouldn’t want Joba to start, but i would trade for someone who could start in his place. Maybe a deal for a josh Beckett, dare i say? Joba and Swisher for Beckett?
I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.
or joba and AJ??
I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.
For the 7 billionth time...
AJ isn’t going anywhere.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Nov 9, 2010 5:43 PM EST up reply actions
imagine this..
1. CC
2. Lee
3. Beckett
4, Hughes
5, Andy/AJ
In a deal that we give up Joba, and Swisher or Joba, Burnett, and a prospect?
I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.
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Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
For Yankees
or Red Sox? I’ve give up on Joba to be honest, AJ is useless will never be better than.500 and getting rid of Swish lets us look into getting Werth or Crawford
I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.
"AJ is useless will never be better than .500"
See 2008, 2009. If you’re going to make statements like that back it up a little. It’s simply not true. I bet you weren’t saying that after he shut the Phillies down during Game 2 last year.
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So we should get rid of Swisher so we can look at 2 guys who we don't need cause we already have Swisher?
That’s insane.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Nov 9, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
HELLL NO.
Let Beckett and his anal bead necklace stay with the rest of the stank breaths in Boston
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and of course its horrible to trade Swisher.
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Cmon
now. Beckett is still ace stuff. Wait until this year.. i hate to say it about a Red Sock, but he’s going to have a good season, plus as a number 3 starter, thats outstanding
I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.
its really not.
you’re complaining about AJ as a “.500 starter”, like it means anything, then ignoring the fact that Beckett is just that.
Swisher needs to stay. You don’t trade power hitting OFers.
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he is great in the clubhouse as well. I’m loving the guy more and more each year.
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leads the league in fun, and he can pitch!!
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WHAT?
honor, family, tradition, DONUTS!!!
"As soon as I got to the plate with my bat, I saw the Baltimore manager come out of the dugout to talk to the pitcher. And I knew what he said, he said, "whatever you do, do not walk this guy". Then right on the first pitch, I hit a home run over center field of the fense."
....That was the easy part, the hard part was running around the bases"
"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands."
BRING HIM BACK
0.00 ERA 100.00 FUN
I would totally stand outside Marc Albrighton and/or Barry Bannan's house(s) playing Peter Gabriel music.
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there we go
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WHAT?
honor, family, tradition, DONUTS!!!
"As soon as I got to the plate with my bat, I saw the Baltimore manager come out of the dugout to talk to the pitcher. And I knew what he said, he said, "whatever you do, do not walk this guy". Then right on the first pitch, I hit a home run over center field of the fense."
....That was the easy part, the hard part was running around the bases"
"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands."
BRING HIM BACK
Beckett?
No chance. That headhunter can rot in Boston for all I care. He’s not even that good, and it’s ridiculous to trade Swisher.
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we already have AJ’s nipple rings and good/bad routine. do we really need a sporadic headhunting pitcher
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
WHAT?
honor, family, tradition, DONUTS!!!
"As soon as I got to the plate with my bat, I saw the Baltimore manager come out of the dugout to talk to the pitcher. And I knew what he said, he said, "whatever you do, do not walk this guy". Then right on the first pitch, I hit a home run over center field of the fense."
....That was the easy part, the hard part was running around the bases"
"I didn't mean to hit the umpire with the dirt, but I did mean to hit that bastard in the stands."
BRING HIM BACK
Burnett
What are the terms of AJ’s contract? He hits batters, he throws wild pitches, he walks batters, and he lets runners steal. And with no help in the near future for a more defensive catcher, a pitcher has to be able to hold runners. AJ could strike out 27 batters and still lose the game. How much is it costing us to have a 9th inning pie-thrower?
$16.5MM in 2011
$16.5MM in 2012
$16.5MM in 2013
All guaranteed, no buyouts or incentives.
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And Beckett is owed……. (drumroll please)
2011: $15.75M,
2012:$15.75M,
2013: $15.75M,
2014: $15.75M
By all means let’s trade for him!
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
It is pretty hard to imagine a trade suggestion that both teams would hate that much, but I have learned not to underestimate the power of the internet.
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by Lord Duggan on Nov 9, 2010 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
I'll turn it green
Because I’m nice like that.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Nov 10, 2010 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Swish!
Swisher is becoming Jeter 2.0. If Jeter’s the heart, Swisher’s the liver. You can’t trade Swisher.
I thought Joba was the liver?
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Burnett
So basically Burnett’s a nice tax write-off. Does anyone know the real reason Eiland was fired?
pissed in Girardi's Cheerios
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He gave Chan Ho Park diahrea?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 9, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
no way
maybe i watched a different joba than you guys did. Seemed like he is always behind in the count, throws too many pitches per inning and is typically up to 100 pitches by the 4th or 5th inning. I think the staff got tired of all the ahjeda. And I dont have a problem keeping Swisher and his 140 k’s per season, but only as long as he is a cheap option.
there is zero chance that happens
"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot."- Kobe Bryant
still no chance
Cash said himself that AJ would be on the team next year, he’d be in the starting rotation and he expects a much better year next season. Unlike many Yankees fans Cashman and the Steinbrenners aren’t giving up on AJ yet.
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Joba
Joba needs to start throwing strikes and not hope that it goes somewhere over the plate. He doesn’t focus in on the plate. He can’t consistently throw strikes let alone try to hit spots. He is a really bad pitcher and the staff doesn’t trust him.

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