Carl Crawford and Cliff Lee
by djoep2000 on Nov 6, 2010 9:43 AM EDT
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PrintPlain and simple, the Yankees need a # 1 or # 2 hitter, who can get on base and steal. (Many believe, Brett Gardner is not ready to assume this role.) Crawford fits the bill for the next five years. Being under 30 makes him an outstanding choice. What an up grade defensively. By moving Brett Gardner to center and Curtis Granderson to right. Not many fly balls will hit the ground with those three patrolling the outfield. The only true problem is that you will be adding another left handed hitter in this line-up. His contract should come in under a 21 million average for six years.
Now what to do with fan favorite, Nick Swisher. He is the perfect 4th outfielder, back-up first basement and back up designated hitter. This would allow him to start between 115 to 130 games for the Yankees. Keeps his bat in the line-up and will hopefully reduce those nagging injuries, he seems to be prone too. With him being rotated in these different positions, should improve the overall defense for this team. Plus what a back-up plan if an injury occurs to your DH, one of your outfielders and first basemen. Always that possibility that Nick will end up on the trade block, for a good starting pitcher.
Cliff Lee is by far the best option for a front end of the rotation starter. The question is what would it take to get him? I believe the Yankees are willing to go as many as six years. To most it looks like it will come in around an average of 20 to 23 million a year. He has a history of a back problems that maybe the downfall. If not Cliff then only solution is a blockbuster trade to shore up the front end of this rotation or a high risk candidate, such as Brandon Webb or Ben Sheets.
What are your thoughts?
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1) Cliff Lee, I agree..makes sense for now
and later, since he’ll add to the all overpaid fogey brigade
2) the only reason Crawford makes any sense is if they use Gardner in a trade for a pitcher. Crawford is NOT better then Gardner, or at least enough to justify a gigantic contract.
3) Swisher is a fine starting OFer. You don’t trade this man.
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Oh Crawford is better than GGBG
but the question is which one is more valuable. While Crawford is the better player, he isn’t better by so much that he’s more valuable at 18 million a year rather than GGBG for 500K.
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umm...
“Crawford is NOT better then Gardner, or at least enough to justify a gigantic contract.”
This is a little out of line. I mean one good year for Gardy doesn’t mean hes better than Crawford…Who had an even better season this year. Yea so…
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which is not what I said.
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"or at least enough to justify a gigantic contract"
Crawford may have had the better year, but not SO MUCH BETTER that the contract he’d get would be worth it. So in that respect, Gardner is better because he only costs 500k.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Nov 6, 2010 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Crawford not worth the upgrade.
Crawford is great but for us not worth the $15-$20MM cost per year as an upgrade to Gardner.
I would rather spend the money on Lee & Feliciano even if it is 5-10MM more per season.
Pitching is king… just ask SF
by YANKEES FOREVER on Nov 6, 2010 10:47 AM EDT reply actions
Agreed on Crawford
Carl Crawford is really, really good at what he does. The Yankees just don’t need him. We don’t need another player on a seven year contract. Crawford can only play left field, and left field may need to be kept open so that Jeter can move there in a couple of years.
Is Crawford a lot better than Gardner? Yes. However, signing Crawford would cost 7 years and $120 million. Gardner will be had for 1 year and $500K.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Nov 6, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Crawford is better
but not so much better that it would make signing him worth it.
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Who are these masses that believe that Gardner cannot lead off?
He was tops in the ML with 4.62 pitches seen per plate appearance. His 13.9% BB rate also ranked fifth in the AL.
This is why people hate the Yankee fans.
The two top players on the market some of us actually expect to grab both.
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We don't need Crawford
He’s an overall improvement over Gardner, but Gardner is making 500k, while Crawford will probably get 15-16 mil. Crawford is not 30 times better than Gardner. Not even close to worth it. I do agree they should get Lee, we need to solidify the pitching rotation.
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Cliff Lee..okay, I don't like it but at least it's justifiable
Crawford…no
Curtis Granderson.
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Lolwut.
The Yankees outfield is the only outfield in the bigs each each member to have a 4+ WAR in each position. Swish as the perfect 4th outfielder? LOL.
he's such a good 4th outfielder that he makes a pretty decent starting one too!!
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No to both
Crawford will cost too much; We don’t need another LH bat; and Gardner is a better fit for the Yankees at this point.
Lee will require another contract which will bite us in the ass. I looked at his career against the other teams in the AL East and it’s not too good. He has done well against Tampa Bay, but his numbers against everybody else aren’t that good at all. As many times as we have to play Boston, Toronto, and Baltimore, he may not fare too well in our division.
There's always next year
He's destroyed the best lineup in the past two years like 3-4 times
Call me crazy but I think he’ll be fine.
But we lead the league in hitting lefties and we killed liriano,duensing and CJ wilson in the postseason,
plus Lee this year has done well vs every AL east team except…gasp the orioles.
No to Crawford.
Others have already said it. Whatever “upgrade” he gives you, it doesn’t justify the contract or money he’ll be asking for. I’ll stick with GGBG, thank you very much.
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No to Crawford
I have no opinion on Lee, I just think the Yankees need another starter.
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better?
No. Cheaper? Most definitely.
And probably more valuable when considering the price and talent level.
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How much do Carl Crawford and Jayson Werth hate Brett Gardner right now?
This guy cost these two millions of dollars thanks to his great 2010. I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong about Gardner, he really became our answer to Ellsbury. Carl Crawford is a far superior player to Gardner but Yanks dont need him. I would rather go with the cheaper home grown player here.
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Crawford’s 3 year weighted wRC+: 125.6
Gardner’s wRC+ in his first full season: 123
Crawford really isn’t that much better. Yes, he has more power, but he does not get on base as much as Gardner. For two guys who’s main weapon is speed, OBP is the most important stat, and Gardner has him beat big time. Crawford just makes up for it with his 15 HR power, but he really is not that much better.
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Not for nothing, Gardner has only done it for 1 year
I have seen too many guys have a great first year only to regress that second year. When Gardner sustains it for a bit, than he can be put in Crawford’s company. Its too bad Crawford wont remain a Ray, he belongs there.
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Well, a lot of guys who have large regression have it happen because their first year was supported by flukey BABIP numbers, or some kind of luck like that. You can bank on Austin Jackson having a huge regression in his second year.
Gardner, on the other hand, didn’t have this happen. His peripherals all suggest that this is his real level. His BABIP was .340, which for a player of his speed is certainly repeatable. His batting eye is superb, which is not something that is going to magically disappear next year. He swings at only 31% of all pitches he sees, but here’s the kicker, he only swings at 18% of pitches out of the zone, which is remarkably low. He, of course, doesn’t swing at many pitches in the zone either, but his zone contact is 98%, which is remarkable. Finally, he only swings and misses a miniscule 3% of the time. So basically, Gardner does not swing much, he will force a pitcher to throw strikes. When he gets to 2 strikes, he fouls off pitch after pitch until either the pitcher throws 4 balls, or he chops a ball into play, which he is very good at beating out. With Gardner’s game plan, I don’t see him regressing much, if at all, next season.
Montero will be our savior in 2011.
I agree we should definitely get Lee, but that's about it
Crawford may be better than Gardner, but not 36 times better! Why get an $18 million outfielder to replace an almost-as-good $500,000 outfielder?
Why would we want to trade Swisher?
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