Looking Into Chad Jennings' 2009 Baseball America Top 30 Prospects Update Post
by Brandon C. on Nov 6, 2010 12:00 PM EDT
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The title is a mouthful, I know. Chad Jennings wrote about the 2009 Baseball America top 30 Yankees prospects and where they are now.
It was an interesting post, as many Yankees fans claim the Yankees don't hold onto their prospects.
The results:
Of the top 30 prospects from last years Baseball America, the following are no longer with the Yankees franchise:
-#30. Jamie Hoffmann (returned to Dodgers in Rule 5)
-#15. Mark Melancon (traded to Astros in Lance Berkman deal)
-#12. Mike Dunn (traded to Braves in Javier Vazquez deal)
-#5. Zach McAllister (traded to Indians in Austin Kearns deal)
-#3. Arodys Vizcaino (traded to Braves in Javier Vazquez deal)
-The Jamie Hoffmann choice for the Rule 5 draft is one that I will never understand. Often teams choose players they see that jump out at them, with no statistical backing, so maybe that was the case with the pick.
-Mark Melancon will be a good reliever for the Astros, and showed that with his 2010 statistics with the team. In 17.1 innings pitched Melancon allowed twelve hits, eight walks, and one home run. Melancon pitched to a 3.12 ERA, striking out 19.
-Zach McAllister was traded to the Indians in a deal that many will describe as a straight up trade for Austin Kearns, but that is not necessarily the case. The Yankees received Kerry Wood from the Indians the same day, and only gave up cash for Wood. If you look at it one way, the Yankees traded cash considerations and Zach McAllister for Austin Kearns and Kerry Wood. Would you have done that deal? Yes, Kearns struggled, hitting .235 with the Yankees, (.345 OBP) but Wood was awesome, pitching 26 innings with a 0.69 ERA for the Yankees. If you choose to look at the trade as Kearns for McAllister, it was a horrendous deal. If you look at it as cash and McAllister for Wood and Kearns, it wasn't that bad.
-Finally, the Javier Vazquez deal. Oh, the Javier Vazquez deal. In the deal, the Yankees acquired Javier Vazquez and Boone Logan for Arodys Vizcaino, Mike Dunn, and Melky Cabrera. Logan was a great surprise, but Javier Vazquez was just plain awful. Considering the Yankees gave up the #3 and the #12 prospects in a deal for a lefty reliever and a pitcher with a 10-10 record and 5.32 ERA that didn't even make the Yankees playoff roster, it was a bad deal.
5 of the 30 are no longer in the Yankees system, arguably in deals that were losses for the Yankees. Thoughts?
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I won’t be surprised if the Yankees include Montero in a package for a pitcher. Everybody seems to think Romine is the catcher to be traded but I think teams won’t do a trade unless Montero is included and since we do have Romine…
There's always next year
Montero
Shouldn’t be traded. While defense is apart of the game hitting is more concrete.
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You win some, you lose some
Cash has been able to get good players for nothing, Bobby Abreu and Nick Swisher didn’t cost much, and he’s also whiffed on a few. And you know what they say about Hindsight. this years didn’t work out I’d assume he’ll correct the mistakes.
learn from you mistakes
Cashman, hank , hal have stated they won’t be overpaying Jeter like they did AROD, um, then learn from these mistakes & stop trading away youth for players coming off career yrs on the downside of there careers…. AJAX for Grandy, perfect example, & to think Javier was gonna make good in NY a 2nd time around had to be the DUMBEST idea & whomever suggested that, should be drawn & quartered…
Today he is
Who is to say how good Austin will be by the time he reaches Grandy’s age, you know, in 6 years from now?
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Nov 6, 2010 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
For the ten thousandth time:
Moves that don’t work =/= stupid moves.
If Cashman had a crystal ball, this whole GM thing would be a lot easier, wouldn’t it?
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not if you use this guy's crystal ball
by lololol on Nov 6, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I agree but if you consider the mcallister trade as a straight up for Kearns it’s awful without hindsight. If you include Wood, it’s not bad.
I’m going to pose a question to you that I hear a lot: isn’t it a general managers job to sort of have a crystal ball and know if there deal is going to work out? If it doesn’t, who’s to blame?
I completely agree with you by the way, but I get the other argument.
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by Brandon C. on Nov 6, 2010 3:13 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
No, it’s not. It’s the job of a GM to use the information that they have to make deals that are the most likely to work out. Whether they actually do or not is completely out of their control.
But if you keep making deals that are likely to work out, then more often than not, they do.
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Again, I agree, so how do you look at Cashman’s 2009 offseason?
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by Brandon C. on Nov 6, 2010 4:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I had no issue with any of the moves he made. I was sorry to see A-Jax and Arodys go, but they both brought back players who were likely to be better for the Yankees, so I think he did his job.
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At least you admit it
Not too many here would now say they agreed with last season’s moves. I, for one, was against every one of them. The Grandy deal wasn’t so much about Grandy, I liked him and was glad to get him, I just didn’t like losing Coke and AJax…which I’m sure is well documented. lol.
I wasn’t too happy with the AJ signing. I think signing Lee to a long term contract will be too risky and will bite us in the ass too. If only the Yankees didn’t have the “we have to win or the world might end” attitude they would let their prospects develop and save some cash.
There's always next year
McAllister had zero chance of ever cracking our rotation.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
He had value as a prospect, as shown by being the 5th ranked. Worth more than a 4th outfielder.
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by Brandon C. on Nov 6, 2010 5:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Considering Wood was acquired for nothing
McAllister and 2 jabronii for Kearns and Wood is a great trade. Especially considering how well Wood pitched down the stretch.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
“I agree but if you consider the mcallister trade as a straight up for Kearns it’s awful without hindsight. If you include Wood, it’s not bad.”
maybe saying it’s not bad is an understatement, but you basically repeated my opinion.
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by Brandon C. on Nov 6, 2010 5:39 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Additionally
The Yanks spend money in the farm system to produce more prospects than they can use at the Big League level. Of the current top 30 prospects we can only expect a few to stick on the Yankee roster. Trading some of the prospects is a way to maximize the return on the whole group.
Whether the trades are loses is a point of view. Who knows what value we would have acquired from them if we’d kept even the sucessful ones like IPK, Melancon and Melky. Would we have even played them? How Much?
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I agree 99% of the time
Except Kei Igawa and Javier 2.0
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Nov 6, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
i miss Vizcaino a lot
with hindsight that is arguably the worst trade Cashman has executed
but at the time, it made sense, nobody could predict that Javys arm would die
I was very against the trade, but 95% of Yankees fans supported and called me crazy for not liking it
I just don’t like giving pitchers a 2nd chance in NY, when they couldn’t cut it the first time.
The trade looked good at the time
If I’d been Cashman, knowing what kind of year Javy just had in 2009, I’d do that deal
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i don't think it's so much that he could not handle New York
as much as it is his arm died and he lost 10mph on his pitches and his breaking balls could not break anymore
Didn’t he struggle in A ball this year?
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by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 6, 2010 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
he was dominating until he got injured
pretty serious injury too
but my psychic abilities tell me that if he stayed with us he would have stayed healthy all year
Didn’t he hav like a 4.5 era or am I thinking of someone else
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by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 7, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Trades are a crapshoot
If you don’t swing the bat….you won’t ever hit the ball.
At a certain point a prospect becomes a liability and a minor league lifer if he can’t crack your team roster. Who wants a 27 year old “prospect” that has been projected to play in the majors for the previous five years. MAXIMIZE YOUR RETURN OF INVESTMENT. Some deals will work …some won’t.
I view the Yankee farm system as an extension of the other major league teams ….. albeit over-hyped..
AJax wasn’t on the top 30 prospect list? or was he traded before the list came out?
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 6, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions
AJAX was probably #1 on that list
or #2. He was probably traded before the list came out.
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