Derek Jeter Options
by Brandon C. on Nov 4, 2010 6:50 PM EDT
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PrintThis is probably beating a dead horse, but here are the options the Yankees have with the Derek Jeter negotiations.
Option A: Pay Jeter whatever he wants, as he is the face of the franchise!
This option is one that a lot of Yankees fans seem to like, but I am not one of them. Jeter is not worth whatever he wants to be worth, and in my opinion is not an unreplacable face of the franchise either. Mariano Rivera could easily slide into that position, and sadly enough many people think Alex Rodriguez is the face of the franchise already.
If the Yankees chose this option, they would probably be paying Jeter about double what he's worth over double the amount of years he is worth. He is likely willing to somewhat compromise, so why not do option B?
Option B: Negotiate extensively with Jeter, but let him walk if he won't accept a deal that is good for both sides.
This option is the one I would like the Yankees to do. The Yankees have tons of money, but why do they have to spend so much on someone if they can compromise? Already we can tell it will be a tough process, but any process with a long tenured employee can be that way.
Jeter will be stubborn and the Yankees need to be just as stubborn. Don't offer him any insulting contracts (make sure he gets paid more than A.J. Burnett, for example) and don't offer him a one or two year deal, as he'll find that insulting. A 3 year deal would be best for the Yankees, but a 4 year deal isn't awful, either. If he refuses to go south of 5, we may have a problem.
If the whole negotiation process doesn't work out and Jeter decides to go elsewhere (which has a 1% chance of happening) the Yankees aren't exactly set at shortstop with Eduardo Nunez. Nunez is a better version of Ramiro Pena, imagine an Alex Cora type. Would you want Alex Cora starting at shortstop for the Yankees?
Option C: Negotiate the entire contract through the media, play hardball throughout.
This and option B may be the two options that the Yankees combine in their negotations. The Yankees and Derek Jeter both know the other party will want the fans on their side. The media eats up any good quotes about the negotations and will continue to do so. Look for both sides to take advantage of that.
Option D: Let Jeter walk, move Kei Igawa to shortstop, sign Cliff Lee to shore up AAA rotation.
Gotta have sarcasm in the post somewhere!
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Option D is the correct answer.
I would totally stand outside Marc Albrighton and/or Barry Bannan's house(s) playing Peter Gabriel music.
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What’s your actual take on this?
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On a scale
C————|-B————A
The media will be involved in this no matter how hard the Yankees & Jeter keep quiet, pay Jeter more than what he’s worth so, AJ Burnett type money for 3 years with club options. Jeter owes the Yankees more than the Yankees owe Jeter and both sides know it. No way Jeter gets that money on the open market, not even just to stick it to the Yankees.
by Monotonousblob on Nov 4, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Actual Take...
I’m not sure really, because I don’t see anyway he walks. Obviously the Yankees shouldn’t give him 20 mil (who knows what actually happens), but if he’s that stuborn tell him no. No one else will give him that unless they’re that desperate for tickets (and even then as much as we love him how many tickets would he sell). Jeets will come back and we’ll sign him for 15 mil, or something like that. Plus lets face it, if he does leave, there will be a crap ton of Yankees fans who will head to the Stadium with torches and pitchforks. I think someone will spear someone with a trident.
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Oh and I totally expect a really decent to good year out of Jeets next year.
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Thanks for the memories Derek,but time moves on.We've got to get younger
at the SS position.
by Putnan Prince on Nov 4, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Offer Jeter 3 years 40-45
If he wants an inflated salary, let him go take up acting. He proved this season he has the chops for acting.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
I’d be willing to give him 3 years 54, but that’s tough to give, also. I’d be willing to pay a lot more if it means less years. I’d prefer 3 years 54 over 5 years 55.
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Jeter was the #3 paid player in baseball in 2010
Even coming off a stellar 2009, he wasnt close to being the #3 player in all of baseball. He is making more money than guys like Miggy, Albert, And Ryan Howard among others. Jeter has been overpaid most of his career, if he needs anything close to 20 a year, let him go. The pinstripes come before the player.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
I think that he’d be in for a rude awakening in free agency, anyway. As long as he gets $15 million a year, he should be OK with it and it’s kind of sad I have to even say that. The best he would get on the open market is $9-12 Million a year.
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I agree, I think Jeter wouldnt get more than that
Like I said earlier, Jeter has 100% no leverage in this situation. And its not because of a poor 2010 either. Not saying Damon is Jeter in terms of Yankee importance but coming off a career year, they let him walk if he didnt take a major cut. Jeter ought to place a call to Damon and ask his advice.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
I would say one year contract on the open market $8 million.Imagine him
wearing a Red Sox uniform riding horseback after winning the World Series.
by Putnan Prince on Nov 4, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Cross Brandon C off the list who's articles I will read now. As far as I know, no top 10 yankees of all time have ever been let go with something left in the tank.
It shouldn’t start with Jeter either. What sets the Yankees apart from other franchises apart from winning 27 titles is the rich history we celebrate every year with old timers day and just the way we cherish our old stars. We are different from other franchises, and we should continue acting like it.
By making terrible business decisions?
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
No, by honoring the all time Yankee leader in hits, all time leader in hits at shortstop , all time post season leader in hits and the only Yankee about to hit 3k hits.
That’s a very special milestone from one of the greatest Yankees ever. The Yankees and the word budget aren’t often said in the same sentence. Suddenly Yankee mgmt and fans are becoming frugal with the greatest Yankee in decades.
You know Arod is on pace for 3k hits too right?
plus we have other areas of need which we need to address and giving jeter a big contract, mean less money for retaining mo going after Lee and such
Wasnt giving Jeter a 10 year deal worth a ton honoring him enough?
Why should DJ get treated better than Bernie or Andy ever did? Why should he be among the most highly paid players in the game, when he isnt close to being even a top 50 player anymore?
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
He will only have gotten half of them with the Yankees. No Yankee has ever gotten 3k hits all with the Yankees. Not Yogi, Mick, Joe D,
Nobody. It’s a big deal.
In the end its just a number
If you ask what matters more to most intelligent baseball fans, seeing Jeter get 3000 or even 4000 hits while playing awful D and killing scoring opportunities because of his need to hit at the top of the order, or seeing the Yanks win titles because they were able to bring in the correct players, my bet is they dont go with Jeter.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
The Yankees will win regardless. Jeter said he is willing to move to the outfield when it's time. Isn't he one year removed from a gold glove season? Lol
It’s not just a number, and most Yankee fans would disagree.
Wait, when did he say he would move to the outfield? I believe you, but I don’t remember this. Link to an article, or anything?
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He wont even comment when asked about a move
Upstait is now making things up. Jeter is unlike other aging players, he doesnt hit for enough power to move to DH and his pride wont allow for a move from SS.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
The dude just won a gold glove 2 yrs ago and was objectively the best all around shortstop in baseball.
Did Jeter kick you in the shins and insult your heritage or something? Lol
What does this have to do with anything?
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uhh no best all around short stop for the past few years has been
hanely and Tulo…i’ll take both those guys over jeter these days…
No but I have always hated this face of the franchise garbage
I have always felt Bernie and Mo were much more important in terms of the dynasty years and Jeter, while being the captain, still isnt the clubhouse leader that Posada is. Jeter has been handsomely compensated and the Yankee pinstripes are what made him an icon. Now its time he is realistic and be the leader he is made out to be.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Impossible, Jeter has always sidestepped the question
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
That’s alright. Even giving you the benefit of the doubt on this one, can you answer me one question?
You’re Derek Jeter and have 2 offers:
Yankees 3 years 45 mil
Padres 3 years 36 mil
Do you demand the Yankees pay more money because other teams will pay more? The Yankees know they can outpay any other team and know they will outpay themselves, even. They will likely pay much more than they need to, and much more than any other team will be willing to. That’s such an awful thing to do to a legendary Yankee….
Now do you understand my point? Not meaning to insult Jeter, but stating facts.
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There is no team to outbid
Unless 10 million a year is what DJ is after, he wont get any thing over that from any other team. Yanks outbid themselves on the ARod deal, they cant do it again.
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When did he say that?
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I’m as big of a Derek Jeter fan as the next guy, and maybe I didn’t make it sound like this in the post, but if Derek Jeter does actually leave the Yankees, that would be terrible.
Realistically, that won’t happen. The let him walk option is the best, because barring some unbelievable disagreement, he won’t get better money from other teams than from the Yankees.
Derek Jeter needs the Yankees as much as the Yankees need Derek Jeter.
The Yankees didn’t create history by overpaying people that would stay with the team anyway. They made great business decisions (for the main part) and will continue to do so (I hope) Jeter shouldn’t be an exception.
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What exactly do the Yankees owe Jeter?
They made him the 2nd richest player in baseball, the face of the sport, and a ton of money he makes comes from being on the Yankees and not some great player on a team like the Royals where he would get little in the way of endorsements.
Expect to see Pujols in nationwide car commercials or guest starring in a movie?
by Monotonousblob on Nov 4, 2010 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, Pujols has been in a commercial or two
but those might just have aired in St. Louis!
Jeter
Made himself the face of the sport with his intangibles. I’m sure the Yankees make other people in opposing ballparks cheer him too
Griffey and Chipper had intangibles but...
they played for smaller market teams. Jeter is great, but the Yankees made him an all-time great.
by Monotonousblob on Nov 4, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Whats wrong with Chipper Jones?
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
nothing, he's the NL Jeter in my opinion
Chipper Jones – 80.1 career WAR
Derek Jeter – 70.1 career WAR
by Monotonousblob on Nov 4, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Think he was better than Jeter
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no, but I'm biased as Jeter is my favorite player of all-time
Tougher division, more demanding position, etc. would be crap answers, I just never got to watch Jones all that much to make any sort of fair comparison besides what the stats lay out.
by Monotonousblob on Nov 4, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate to use an ARod type of thing here but..
…Jeter, unlike Chipper, was never the focal point of the lineup. He was never the guy that teams were most frightened of. Not saying Jeter wasnt clutch because he was.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
"we celebrate every year with old timers day and just the way we cherish our old stars"
Tell that to Bernie and torre
Babe Ruth finished his career with a different team
so did Reggie
by Monotonousblob on Nov 4, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
And then Reggie tried to kill the Queen!
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"with something left in the tank"
see that’s the problem. We don;t know if jeter of 2010 will show up or the 2009 guy. he’s old, he can;t play defense and just had his worst year ever. We don’t know how much jeter has left in the tank to pay him elite player price and give him a lot of years to boot.
Remember when Pettitte left to go play with the Astros
Also, Lazzeri was released by the Yankees after having his worst season at age 33. He’s 10th all time in positional WAR for the Yankees. He only lasted 2 more years.
by Monotonousblob on Nov 4, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I like this retort
Well done
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
So you pay Jeter 20 mil+ a year
But Andy had to take 5 mil a year +incentives because of a down year? How does that make sense?
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
the same must apply to Jeter then
Jeter’s last year – .270 .340 .370 .710
Bernie’s last year – .281 .332 .436 .768
by Monotonousblob on Nov 4, 2010 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
You are really bringing it tonight
Great job!!
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I'm with option B
Jeter is the face of team, and an all time Yankees. However, if Jeter won’t accept a reasonable contract 3-4 years 16-20 mil per, then don’t give in.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Nov 4, 2010 7:06 PM EDT reply actions
+1
My thoughts EXACTLY.
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That's reasonable? Four years at $20 million per.The Yankees would be crazy
to offer more than 3 years $30 million as he moves close to 40years of age.They are bidding
against themselves.
by Putnan Prince on Nov 4, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but even though he is not worth more then 10 mil a year, the Yanks are going to give him money because he is Jeter. I think 16 is more then fair even though it is more then his production would dictate.
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Seriously?
First of all Jeter had a bad year. So what? I guess he’s done now? He’s washed up. I have been hearing that for 4 or 5 years now. You offer Jeter a contract that doesnt insult one of the greatest Yankees of all time. Yes you are going to overpay. That shouldnt matter to them. That guy had more of a part in building that palace they play in than anyone. Do you really think the Yanks want Jeter getting his 300th in any other uniform? Well do you?
he got his 300th as a Yankee
the big thing now it his 3000th, lol
Do you think Derek Jeter can get a better offer elsewhere? His best offer other than the Yankees would be 2/3 of what the Yankees offer, unless some random team decides they want him so badly.
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I liked the VERY first option.
The one that said this is beating a dead horse.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 4, 2010 7:07 PM EDT reply actions
Face it, you’re going to hear more about this than you are about Cliff Lee.
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I know.
This is why I don’t feel the need to even discuss the matter here. What’s the point.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 4, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
So don’t discuss it? I don’t know how to help you out on this one, this is a pretty big subject and we’d be fools not to milk it for all it’s worth.
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Then why not just make it a daily subject already?
Make a separate section to the left or right entitled JETER POST-SEASON NEWSGASMS. I mean, this has to already be like the 5th-6th post I’ve seen on the damn subject already. They all wind up with pretty much the same, if not similar options, and everyone already pretty much has the same freakin’ responses. Personally, I thought the site was about more insightful information and stuff than what I could literally turn on my 24HR ESPN sports news coverage and here drone after goddamn drone of analyst saying the same goddamn thing over and over again.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 4, 2010 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
what else is there to talk about?
you want to hear what cliff lee has for breakfast and how it might infleunce him signing with us? This is a hell of alot more relevant.
Calm down. There is literally nothing going on in Yankees Universe right now, we’ve covered prospects, free agency, even Nick Swisher’s facial hair. It is the most important Yankees topic right now and people want to read about it for the most part. If we copied and pasted what each other wrote, that’s one thing, but it’s different pieces about different aspects of the process. When Cliff Lee is officially a free agent, we’ll have more updates on that, but right now it’s nothing. Would you prefer a blank site, or a site with Jeter analysis daily? If you don’t like it, read the other pieces and not the ones about Jeter. That’s all I can help you with.
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This topic ISN'T analysis, nor different pieces about different aspects of the process.
Analysis would be if actual stats were brought into play, or if a hard, detailed look were done at our serious options at SS, both in our farm or outside our system, besides Jeter were or if there are any at all that, despite Jeter’s off year last year, would come close to replacing him.
What this is is just an excuse to once again banter back and forth about the same options that have been discussed multiple times already, options that bring NOTHING new to the table at all, and options that have already been discussed at length. My point is, if you’re going to bring up the already bloodied beaten dead horse topic of “WHAT TO DO WITH JETER?”, at least try, TRY and bring something new to the table, something original. Or else, like I said, just put a permanent “JETER POST-SEASON NEWSGASM” topic to the right of the site.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 4, 2010 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think its bothering anybody
Gives us something to talk about. Right now, this has to be the thing most Yankee fans are debating about I would think.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Ok, so if it isn’t analysis, this doesn’t count towards the abundance of Derek Jeter analysis posts. See? The goal is always to create and promote discussion, and judging by the # of comments it has done that. I’ll repeat: I’d think 90% of Yankees fans want to discuss it. If you’re one of the 10% don’t discuss it, and read another post. Believe me, I don’t mind. Complaining about what’s being posted isn’t going to help anything, that just comes off as whining. If you don’t like it, don’t read it.
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Created discussion...
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87 posts in less than an hour on a Thursday night
during the offseason, well done!
by Monotonousblob on Nov 4, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Then don't pretend it's analysis.
Haha, and if the goal is to create and promote discussion, just start an actual “Open Night” thread. That usually will garner the standard 500 post quota.
My point is, try offering something new.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 4, 2010 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Discussion about baseball, not about Melkman’s daily activities, such as when she brushes her teeth, or what color guitar pick she is using. Sorry for the mixup. All I have to say on the subject is I accomplished what I wanted to when I wrote this post and overall like my post. I don’t see this post anywhere else here, so that’s always a plus. My point is, if everyone except for a few readers think it’s a post that’s worth posting, that’s great to hear. Can’t please everyone.
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Love the Melkman ref,lol
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Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
LOL, REALLY? No other posts on the matter?
I’ll even throw in one from the Onion that mentions Jeter!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 4, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Just trying to prove a point.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 4, 2010 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll repeat what I just said. I’m not arguing that there is a lack of Derek Jeter posts, because that would be stupid and we both know that. I am simply stating the fact that there is no post on Pinstripe Alley that has been written that states the options that the Yankees have and asks the readers what they think/would do. Most, if not all, of those are fanposts, and I know there is a lot of people that do not read the fanposts. I’m simply writing what I think people want to read, and if one person doesn’t want to read it, that doesn’t surprise me. If the majority doesn’t want to read it, that’s my fault. Judging from the comments, people want to talk about Jeter over and over and over and over again. If you don’t, that’s fine, but maybe next time keep that to yourself, or email me about the matter, rather than complaining about the post on the post, when the majority (minus my arch-enemy the Dugganator) doesn’t necessarily agree. Heck, I don’t even want to talk about Jeter all the time, but if that’s what people like to discuss/comment on/read about, that’s fine with me. My next post is about Cliff Lee, is that ok?
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Arch-nemesis eh? The mongoose to your snake? Or the snake to your mongoose?
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Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
Was thinking more along the lines of...
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As long as the post is about signing Cliff to DH.
I would totally stand outside Marc Albrighton and/or Barry Bannan's house(s) playing Peter Gabriel music.
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Wow.
I mean, I’m actually impressed at how you’re completely missing my point. For one, I just proved that there are posts on PA that touch directly on the subject matter at hand. Second of all, if you’re logically judging topics by how much or how little those fanposts get posted in or looked at, maybe it’s simply because people actually don’t want to talk about it, but that’s neither here nor there regarding the fanposts.
The point, which I’ve stated several times now, is not that we shouldn’t talk about Jeter, but that perhaps if you’re going to bring the subject up, to try and actually bring something new to the table regarding the matter, cause this is nothing new. My last link (not the Onion one) to nyyrocks29’s post is pretty much the EXACT same topic of discussion, and I mean EXACT. If the post is just to talk about Jeter for the sole purpose of talking about something on an off-night when no baseball is on, then why not just make an open thread with a few slight blurbs about the matter? This is all I’m trying to get across here. Judging how your next post is about the other dead & beaten horse, somehow I doubt what I say will matter, so I will indeed drop the discussion here.
Haha, and for the record, I’m not keeping anything to myself, not this time or the next. You just said that this is a public forum designed to create and promote discussion, and that’s exactly what I’m doing. If you don’t want me to bring up the fact that I think you are beating a dead horse, don’t make it the FIRST 7 words of your post, or simply don’t respond to my posts on the matter.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 4, 2010 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
So just pretend it says Derek Jeter's options and open threads
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You’re probably right with the last paragraph, I need to stop responding. Not everyone will like everything and that’s acceptable. Sometimes when there’s a lack of news, beating a dead horse is the best option, and I think that’s the case here, but that’s just me. I gotta cut down on the arguments and stress, so I’ll simply choose not to respond to the overall theme of that comment, and ask other than Cliff Lee and Derek Jeter, what would you think is a good idea to post about that hasn’t been posted about before?
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How about Melkman's daily activities?
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Sigh.
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teach you to erase one of posts,lol
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If were gonna have our daily Jeter updates
Might as well have a section where Melk tells us what she had for dinner and what Bieber song she’s listening too.
Oh dear God, that’s an awful idea.
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Might have to bring out the Barnd hammer,lol
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Nov 4, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
In all honesty, would you read a daily melkman section? I AM lacking ideas at the moment…
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Nope, I get all the high school updates I need from my little brother.
His are way more interesting anyway.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Nov 4, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Dear god...
I’m just gonna get the rope and the chair now.
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Listening to Bieber right now, eh?
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Analysis:
All are unnecessary and played out.
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by WhatwouldJeterdo on Nov 4, 2010 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
oy...suicide.
touchy subject. not to sound douchey though i know it was a joke
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Potent Potables?
I would totally stand outside Marc Albrighton and/or Barry Bannan's house(s) playing Peter Gabriel music.
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Nice
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The Pen is Mightier?
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things trebek sucks.
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
an album cover.
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Well like I said
We know about Jeter, and some of our options at Shortstop (Pena, Nunez, Swisher), but is that all? Are there any other free agents around the league that are as good, better, or worse? Is there anyone else in someone’s farm system, that is a budding young SS waiting to rise from the triple AAAshes, that maybe we could trade for? Or, is Jeter still our best option at SS, no matter what he’s asking for? Hell, do we even have any SS prospects in the wings waiting to replace Jeter even if he does sign with us for how many years? Perhaps that’s why they drafted that one kid, because Jeter will be around for another 4-6 years while he hopefully develops? These are just some ideas regarding the Jeter situation that I don’t recall having seen yet, and if they have been and I’ve just missed them, well then shoot my monkey!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 4, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
If “well shoot my monkey” is a real saying that people often say, I am definitely, definitely stealing that and saying that to people. Just giving you the heads up on that.
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I borrowed it from an episode of Superman: The Animated Series, so feel free!
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 4, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m afraid to ask what “bazinga” means…
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You watch HIMYM but not The Big Bang Theory??!
“Bazinga is used as a follow-up to jokes, pranks, and chuckle-filled “gotcha” situations."
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That is true.
I don’t care for the Penny/Leonard thing but Sheldon is the best. I love smug, I’m-smarter-than-everyone attitude. And his social ineptitude.
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Same!
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easily my favorite show.
you catch monday’s episode?
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
I did, of course I did!
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i like the halloween parade too.
its pretty funny on a college campus.
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Such a great show!
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fav episode?
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
we've had our disagreements
but are generally on the same page.
the HIMYM similarity might bump us in a decent direction though lol
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, comedies serving as uniting force.
What about Modern Family or Community? Those are pretty funny too.
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nah.
my top shows are HIMYM and True Blood. Been thinkink about starting Dexter
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
would you prefer we go into Favre mode over Pettitte?
There’s not much else going on, we can have a similar discussion about Mo but nobody doubts both sides will come to an agreement there.
by Monotonousblob on Nov 4, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Poor Andy being lumped in with teh Farve
Two guys that couldnt be more different if they tried. I dont hate Favre either.
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I like that Pettite comes to a decision and sticks with it
And I doubt he would leave the Yankees hanging like Favre did
by Monotonousblob on Nov 4, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Pettitte has proven more than once that its more about the Pinstripes than the money
I was hoping DJ felt the same but If the reports are true, he is about the dollars.
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This is Favre/Lebron mode.
That is what makes it sad.
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by I'mGivingYouARaise on Nov 4, 2010 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is this Clef Le guy?
Never heard of him. Can he platoon with Gardner?
by Monotonousblob on Nov 4, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
He's batting 5th next year.
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Option A) Pay Jeter
Testicles…that, is all.
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You said a mouthful there
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suppose if one thinks testicles are a mouthful....
not that there’s anything wrong with that
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He did set you up for that one…
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It was going to be said.
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this
QUITTER'S PEOPLE UNITED # 3
WHAT?
honor, family, tradition, DONUTS!!!
"As soon as I got to the plate with my bat, I saw the Baltimore manager come out of the dugout to talk to the pitcher. And I knew what he said, he said, "whatever you do, do not walk this guy". Then right on the first pitch, I hit a home run over center field of the fense."
....That was the easy part, the hard part was running around the bases"
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Glad people agreed with B.
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I don’t see how this is even worth talking about. The only way that Derek Jeter isn’t a Yankee is if there is an offer from another team that is significantly better than the Yankees offer.
There won’t be.
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The Tigers want Derek to "come home" to Detroit
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I don't know about that...I heard this team pays well
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If this ends with Jeter hitting a home run against an alien, I'd be up for that.
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I think first and foremost.....
Its incredibly wrong to assume Derek Jeter will be unreasonable in the negotiation.
Secondly, there is no way in hell the Yankees will NOT allow a mutual understanding to take place. They will never let him just “walk”.
Thirdly, To say he is not the face of the Yankees is probably the one of the more stupid things i have heard lately. To say MO or Andy can fill that gap is ridiculous.
Jeter is an everyday player, He has been for the most part completely healthy his entire career. Are you forgetting his MVP like performance just last year…?
Defensively he is still the best short stop in the game. He still makes that running / jump / throw to first that even Elvis Andrus can’t do.
Expect a 2 year deal at the same average yearly salary he already makes. After 2 more years it will be time to evaluate his worth and finding his replacement.
Cause right now he doesn’t need one. His batting average was down this year… but so were all the Yankees minus Cano. We just had 4 players with around 30 homeruns and alot of RBIs that counted
Defensively he is still the best short stop in the game
Woah. No. Not by any stretch of the imagination is he even in the discussion for best defensive shortstop in the game.
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Wow anyone calling Jeter the best SS in baseball cant really be calling others out on saying "stupid" or "ridiculous" things, can they?
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he was talking about gangsta
sayign someone said something stupid. but then he said jeter is th ebest defensive shortsop in the game, so he has no right to call anything anyone else says stupid
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
at least i think i followed the logic lol
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
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andrus doesn't make those jump throws
because he’s already squared up the ball. jeter doesn’t have that kind of range, so he has to lunge and jump throw
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
i think this would be great, but i dont think it will happen
pay him like a 10 mil base salary, and offer incentives based on hits, OBP, etc.
like. 150 hits = 1 mil. 175 hits = 2 mil. 200 hits + = 4 mil.
.350 obp = 1 mil. .375 obp = 2.5 mil. .400 obp + = 5 mil.
contract is a 10 mil base with incentives to bump i tup to 19 mil based on his own offensive play.
great for the yanks cause they’ll pay him for what he’s worth, and Jeter gets paid for what he’s worth on the field.
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 8:18 PM EDT reply actions
Jeter will never go for something like this
Only team guys like Pettitte do stuff like that.
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are you saying jeter isn't a team guy?
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Going to withhold judgement on that for now
But sidestepping questions above a move to another position shows he clearly has DJ in mind first, Yankees second. Derek seems to think it is still 2000 when it comes to his ability and what he should be paid.
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where are you getting any information on this?
Jeter hasn’t come out and said anything public about how much he thinks he should get paid.
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions
My info from?
Im sure its not being made up that DJ is looking for 20 million a year, he isn’t worth close to that. His agents statements so far pretty much back up that he is looking for more than he is worth.
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its his agent's job
to get him the best deal possible. of course he’s gonna talk him up as much as possible.
that doesn’t mean Jeter himself is out there saying “I want x dollars and x years or im walking.”
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Of course it is his agents job
Does that mean Jeter isnt looking for 20+ a year?
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doesn't mean he is or isn't.
all im saying is that you can’t say Jeter wants this or that without having heard him say it.
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeter will give one of his awful interviews sooner or later
But it has to be telling that Hal has pretty much prepared the fans for a unpleasant negotiation. Something had to go on behind the scenes for this to be made public, wouldnt you agree?
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what do you mean by awful interviews?
he’s pretty cliche so nothing he says is really awful.
And I think he’s just giving a warning that its a possibility. I don’t think he’s making a prediction.
Plus as I believe Brandon mentioned, each side wants to be seen as the good guy here. No one is going to say anything negative or say anything that can be seen as an attack.
Hal saying that was probably his way of giving himself to lean back on if things go bad. So if there is a sticky situation, he can go back to early November and say “I told you so.”
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeter's interviews are like ambien
I dont think there can be a good guy/bad guy here. Jeter is a beloved Yankee but Hal and the Yanks shouldnt bid against themselves either.
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which comes right back to my original comment
about his contract. It works for both sides. Jeter gets paid for what he does. Yanks pay for the production they get.
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Do you really think DJ goes for an incentive based deal?
I think DJ has too much pride for that.
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i said in the comment i thought it was unrealistic.
but i do think it would be best for both sides.
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
and why would Jeter think he shouldn't or can't play shortstop?
after dealing with all the questions about not being a good fielder in 2007, he came out in 2008 and was league average in UZR/150, then in 2009 went + 8 in UZR/150.
he had every right to side step those questions. if he has another poor fielding year in 2011, maybe he should leave short. but right now its pretty safe to say Jeter is a starting shortstop
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Just not a great one
You wont make many errors on balls you dont touch. Jeters range is crap and UZR is a garbage useless stat. Some of the saber stuff works, this one is very flawed.
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how is one saber garbage
and not others? its formulas. they’re there to provide statistics to back up what your eyes see. people could tell that his defense was good in 2009. his UZR/150 showed that. in 2010 it wasnt very good. his UZR/150 also showed that.
and there are 30 starting shortstops in baseball. not every single one of them is going to be a + defender.
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no difference between “saber” stats and “normal” stats. They’re just statistical models that tell you certain things. Some are more reliable than others if you want to draw any conclusions. Some of them also scare old people.
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some? they ALL scare old people lol.
and i was under the impression that 3 years of UZR/150 gives you a pretty good idea of how good or bad a fielder is?
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Take an average of 3 years of UZR/150 not at 1B or C and you’ve got a pretty good idea, yeah.
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Yeah because who needs a !B or catcher
And I think I saw an old people joke in there. Damn whippersnappers….get off my lawn!!!
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oops, 1B*
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factorial B!
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, it makes sense, as 1Bs and Cs do things that are the hardest to quantify in blocking balls, bad throws, etc. There’s a lot more gray area then “if the ball is hit to a certain spot on the field, do you make the play?”
So, if you look at UZR/150 for a 1B or a C, they’re only being evaluated on some of the things that they do, not the whole picture. But if you look at UZR/150 over a three year sample for any of the other positions, you’ve do get worthwhile information.
It doesn’t make sense to throw the entire thing away because there are some aspects of it that aren’t perfect or because there are idiots like Jeff Passan out there who don’t know how to use it.
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Fair enough but it does need some work
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Quantifying 1B and C defense is a pretty monumental task. The error in UZR is the assumption that every fielder gets the same bounces/hard hit balls in the same zones.
That error is magnified hugely at 1B or C, because if you’re catching A.J. Burnett, or getting throws from Chuck Knoblauch, that’s a lot different then Greg Maddux and Omar Vizquel.
The level of detail you would need to reduce that to a metric would make the UZR calculation look like kindergarten addition. I’m not saying that it can never happen, but it would take years of research and you’d need pitch f/x level of camera work on every ball thrown.
I think the defensive metrics will improve, but they will most likely just become more abstract and scary by trying to include different factors.
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whats the difference between UZR and UZR/150?
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet if you take enough time, you could figure a new metric for D
Or better yet, lets send Barndon on a search for new metric answers. Should keep him busy for a while.
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Sportsvision
These guys probably have a few new proprietary metrics and are most likely making a killing licensing their products/services to professional sports teams.
by Scooby Snacks on Nov 4, 2010 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Now THAT is what I’m talking about. Awesome.
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First version [of FIELDf/x system] has been installed at AT&T Park since April 2010—the game is "fully tracked and resolved" within 20-30 minutes after the final out. More testing at additional ballparks is planned for this season, with an eye toward a more extensive roll-out for the 2011 season. The information is recorded from 2-4 high-res cameras (let’s hope they’re higher-res than this so-called "hi-res" webcast) that cover the whole playing field, ideally from multiple angles. Computer algorithms automatically detect players and the ball (separating them from the background image), and automatic tracking identifies which player in one frame is the same player in the next. Finally, a mere human operator/observer verifies, corrects, and assists his or her machine masters, oiling various gears and doing his/her best to ensure that they don’t go all Skynet on us.
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=11869&mode=print&nocache=1283072056
by Scooby Snacks on Nov 4, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m not saying that it can never happen, but it would take years of research and you’d need pitch f/x level of camera work on every ball thrown.
When I said that a few comments ago, I had no idea that such a system was already being planned. This is very exciting.
Or maybe I’m just a nerd.
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Haha… It’s not going away and will probably become more prevalent to the public when 3D TV becomes the norm. We all might as well start embracing it.
by Scooby Snacks on Nov 4, 2010 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
so based on the last three years
that would basically say Jeter is barely above league average. which is basically all i was trying to say anyway
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeter is average at best in the field
Without an above average 1B(suck on that UZR), he would have a lot more errors. I dont care about a defensive dynamo but with our left side of our infield both having not much range any longer, it would help. Yanks have an issue on the left side, deny it.
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Never said it won't be an issue eventually.
but Jeter is just about barely above league average, as his last 3 years of UZR/150 would suggest.
in a year or two it could become a bigger issue, but right at this instant its not.
And yes, Tex saves him a lot but so do a lot of other 1B on other teams. Its part of their job to pick up their infielders
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeter has one more year at SS
Yanks cant put him the OF though. With Posada done after this year, you move ARod(again for Jeter, now that is a team guy) to full time DH, and Jeter to 3B. If Jeter doesnt agree to these terms, they should not bring him back.
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I cant make that kind of statement yet.
I’ll have to see what he does in 2011, and maybe even 2012 if he bounces back or shows improvement in 2011.
And thats a lot of money to pay a full time DH. think about that
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Where else do u put ARod?
I’d rather see him stay healthy as a dh than be hurt half the year because he has to play a below average 3B. The guy will never be the same, he is older, same with Jeter.
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its just a bad situation
30 million for a DH is insane.
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is it insane if he gives you the same numbers?
I would rather have ARod for 150 games a year instead of 100. Either way he is getting his money.
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because you're getting no value
for his defense. gonna pay him for another 6 years to solely DH?
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions
So you would rather he plays a lackluster 3B next to a lackluster SS
While we sign an athletic DH? We will also need to sign a starting 3B for when ARod misses half a year.
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im not saying it isnt an issue.
the yanks put themselves in a bad position.
its just A LOT of money to pay someone to only come to the plate 4 times a game and sit the bench the rest of the way.
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he could wash Cashman's car on the weekends or something
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or take a pay cut.
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
great discussion btw.
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
ty, it has been a nice civil discussion
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I’m going to call 2009 an outlier for Derek Jeter. -113.4 fielding runs for his career is just remarkably bad.
His 8.0 UZR/150 was the first time it had been positive since 2002 (+0.9) and it has dipped as low as -17.9 (2007).
And if you look into the guts of how UZR/150 is calculated (double play runs + range runs + error runs, extrapolated to 150 games played), his range is really what lets him down. Since 2002:
-4.7 DPR
-68.4 RgR
+30.7 ErrR
It doesn’t matter how many grains of salt you take with defensive metrics, Jeter has next to no range and is a below average defensive shortstop.
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I think I like defensive metrics now
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LOL
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Thing is...
no Yankee fan you talk to wants to hear this. So I never bother.
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never said he had good range
i commented way above on that guy who said jeter was the best defensive SS in baseballl by saying
andrus doesn’t make those jump throws
because he’s already squared up the ball. jeter doesn’t have that kind of range, so he has to lunge and jump throw
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I know man, you’re right on the money with that too.
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and speaking of outliers.
ugh. dont even wanna think about Stat right now. can’t believe i decided to take that class online. dumb decision.
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually also took a stats class online in my last school. That was before I found out that I can’t learn online because it requires you to actually study.
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exactly.
ive done 24 hours of homework alone in this class already. i’m on pace for like 40 hours of home work for that class alone, let alone quizzes and tests that have an hour and 15 minute time limit.
way too much time for 3 credits.
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I hated stats too.
But I did surprisingly well in those classes. Although, disclaimer it was basic statistics…
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my friend has the same teacher in class.
i have that teacher online.
…my friend has NO idea what I’m doing. so much more advanced class in the online version.
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
“All models are wrong, some are helpful.” All stats are wrong, some are better than others.
Are UZR/150 or fielding runs great? Nope. Are they better than strictly relying on fielding percentage, gold gloves, or the “eye test?” By a mile.
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Any fielding stat that says Tex is a below average 1B has to be useless
And catchers are still a grey area, right?
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UZR is better to measure certain positions than others
plus it’s only this year Tex was below avg…who knows maybe he did have a below average year b/c of injuries but look his UZR for other years and it shows he’s been well above avg.
Pettitte accepted a deal similar to this
back in 2008 or 2009. so maybe its not as unreasonable as i think it is…but i still doubt it will ever happen. plus pettitte’s was a one year deal
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 8:20 PM EDT reply actions
meant to be a reply to my first comment above
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Someone talk to me.
lol
And DRays Bay unbanned me. Because I emailed Steve Slowinski.
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Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Hi Free.
Knicks 70-52 end of half. Wheres the defense!?
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being demolished by an excellent offense, YC.
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Yup.
Heat vs. Knicks in December.
Cowboys Giants in 2 weeks. So umm have fun being 7-2.
1-8 most likely then we play Detroit. LOSS. #1 pick here we come.
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LOL
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
why'd you get banned in the first place?
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually...
he said he was short tempered and my comment was harmless.
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what'd you say that got you banned originally?
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I said some comment...
about how the Wild Card Champs are 2-0 the AL East are 0-2 in the ALDS.
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eh. a little unnecessary
when their team was facing elimination
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea, but I'm cool with him now.
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From which place?
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DRays Bay
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by Frank Campagnola on Nov 4, 2010 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Bed time later PA.
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Why do some people have so much trouble with loyalty?
I know that the Yanks have, often, used mercenaries to great success. But you cannot let Derek Jeter walk. At all. Ever. It is not an option. You can posture all you want and make it seem like you’ll go in a different direction, but letting Jeter walk hurts the franchise more than it helps it. Why?
For starters, you would be losing one of the top SS in the league, even with his skills declining with age, he is still one of the best, just no longer top or top 2 or however you ranked him.
But then you have to think of clubhouse implications. Who becomes the leader of the team if Jeter is gone? A-Rod? Never gonna happen, as much as I like the guy. Tex? He’s only been there a year. Posada, Mo, or Pettitte? Posada is declining way worse than Jeter, is older, and probably more likely to be gone soon, Mo strikes me as more the quiet type but I cannot say I have access to the Yankees like that to know if he is the leading type, and Pettitte might retire this year and almost certainly would next year.
Sure, you can hope Robbie or Gardner, or some other guy will step in, but you’re taking a big risk in letting the Captain walk just save a couple of bucks.
And lastly, what will it do for other players? Players who might want to be Yankees? Prospects who might join the Yankee organization? Prospects in the Yankee organization already? What will it say if the Yankees decide to leave Jeter out in the cold? It will reaffirm the belief that the Yankees are cutthroat, shrewd, and calculating, and while that may not turn everyone away, it will turn some off and away. It could be the difference in getting a guy like Cliff Lee, who is also aging (though not as aged as Jeter is, obviously).
You’re opening up a can of worms that needn’t be opened, all because of one season. Jeter had 14 (full) seasons prior to 2010, and he will have at least 3 more I believe.
Its not about loyalty, its about smart business
Yanks are already paying for outbidding themselves with ARod, why make the same mistake twice? Loyalty you say? Wasn’t a 10 year deal that kept Jeter among the top 3 to 5 players in the game for 10 years enough? Top SS? Not even close anymore. Clubhouse leader? Since when? What has he really done in the clubhouse to show he is a leader? Should Jeter be brought back? Absolutely…at the right price though.
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It is absolutely about loyalty
…Did you really just question if Derek Jeter is the leader of the Yankees? I am pretty sure you invalidated your entire post. Regardless, I can tell you that loyalty is smart business in this case, because like I said, without Jeter who is that team going to look to for leadership? Yes Jeter got a 10 year deal, and he gave them back as much as he got.
And yes Jeter is still a top SS. Jeter was 3rd or better in the AL in pretty much every offensive category at SS. Has his defense been bad? Yes, but that’s Jeter, and it pretty much always has been or at least has been for a while.
Alright, let’s compare him to other AL shortstops. Guys who played enough SS to qualify in the AL:
Alexei Ramirez, Derek Jeter, Marco Scutaro, Cliff Pennington, Jhonny Peralta, Jason Bartlett, Yuniesky Betancourt, Elvis Andrus, Erick Aybar, Cesar Izturis. Those are some pretty awful hitters, but let’s see where DJ’s 2010 stacks up in some categories
AVG (.270) – 3rd
OBP (.340) – 2nd
SLG (.370) – 5th
OPS (.710) – 3rd
UZR/150 (-4.7) – 7th
WAR (2.5) – 3rd
Above average, but just barely. Now let’s see how much money those other guys made in 2010:
Ramirez – $1.1MM
Scutaro – $5.5MM
Pennington – $0.405MM
Peralta – $4.85MM
Bartlett – $4MM
Betancourt – $3.3MM
Andrus – $0.418MM
Aybar – $2.05MM
Izturis – $2.6MM
Sure, Derek had a down year last year. But he was just ahead of the middle of the pack for AL shortstops last year, none of whom make more than $5.5MM. Why on earth would we pay him $20MM for the next 6 seasons?
Are his intangibles worth paying him much more than he’s worth and giving him ~4x more average annual value than any other shortstop in the AL? When there is no competing offer on Derek to drive up the price?
No, not even close.
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You can't undervalue those intangibles
He is the glue that holds that Yankee team together. Like I said, I think they settle in the $15-17 range, but his agent’ll start the negotiations at $20 mil because that’s what agents are supposed to do.
Like I said, name me who you put as Captain of next year’s team. And name me a short stop who has been better since ’96. One year should not condemn a man, especially since the year prior to it in 2009 was one of his best.
Baseball is a sport of individual acheivement. Robinson Cano doesn’t hit the ball further when he’s alone at the plate because of Derek Jeter’s classy interview answers.
And it doesn’t come close to a good enough reason to pay him a ton more than you have to. Because, like I said, for the Yankees to not have Derek, some other team will have to pay more.
What other team is going to outbid the Yankees for a 36 year old coming off the worst season of his career that can’t field? Even if they don’t give him some ludicrous amount of money, it’s still WAY more than he’ll get anywhere else.
I just don’t see the point in bidding against yourself and paying more than you have to for someone when there’s a 0% chance that he plays for any other team.
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But if the yanks approached this saying “we can’t let Jeter walk”, why wouldn’t jeter’s agent and jeter use that to get whatever they wanted? The only way these negotiations if the party has the ability to walk away imo but the chance deal don’t happen is pretty slim.
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Yankees aren't stupid, but Jeter's not stupid either
He’s not going to ask for $25 million a year. He wants to be a Yankee. He is absolutely sure of that. Everyone wants him to be a Yankee (or at least they should). He will start at $20 million (his agent will) and the Yanks will probably say $13, then they’ll wind up somewhere around $16-17 per year.
In a rare fit of insight from espn this morning...
they said that no one is going to be willing to pay a declining Jeter more than the Yankees. His bat and his range are declining.
We should sign him. He’ll probably get like 4 years for 17-20 million if both sides are reasonable about the whole thing. I mean, 20 is too much for anyone at this point in ther career not named Jeter, but there’s no way he should be let ago.
by The Champs Are Here on Nov 4, 2010 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
So if they offer him 12 to 15 a year, which no other team will
You think he would walk for less or retire? Yanks need to take a stand here.
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I dont really think
he’d retire no matter what. They’d really have to offend him ala Joe Torre to get him to seriously consider another team. I’d imagine the yankees open with 15 or so, he’ll say 20 and they’ll meet in the middle.
by The Champs Are Here on Nov 4, 2010 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd love to see Jeter take a hometown discount...
and sign for less than what he’d make in the open market. That’s what other great superstars have done to remain with the team that’s been loyal to them throughout their careers.
Interesting...
Y’all are acting like Derek is Johnny Damon (I’m still disappointed in him). No one knows what that man is thinking. Maybe he’s already deciding on a pay cut (maybe he ain’t). At the end of the day, I’d like to think that he’s a team player and isn’t all about the money. And until he says or does something that proves otherwise, I’m still gonna think that.
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doubt it, I don’t see Jeter trying to take a dollar less then he can possibly squeeze out of the Yanks. This is his last contract. He feels he deserves to name his own terms imo.
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Again, I'm gonna wait
until he makes a move or says anything before I get all like everyone else here. I’d like to think that’s he’s got enough money to last a few lifetimes, but that’s just the pauper in me talking probably…
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Give Jeter minority ownership in the Yankees
Sign Jeter to a major league minimum contract for 6 years but give him 10% of the Yankees Franchise (which was worth $1.5 billion in 2009, 10% of which is 150 million, about what Jeter would get on a 7 year contract). Then we just utilize him at any position (SS, LF) until he quits, drops or MLB goes bankrupt.
Come on, Hank and Hal. You know you don’t want to run the team for too long. Give Jeter this silent ownership role to start, with the clause that you’ll sell majority ownership of the Yankees to him within the next 10 years.
And I thought I was so clever...
It’s been thought-of and argued over already here.
Just thinking...
Does Jeter being on the team bring in enough marketing and ticket sales to justify a contract slightly over what he is really worth?
They can plaster his face everywhere and maybe that can justify keeping him around.
That being said, I doubt people are Yankees fans just because of Jeter and they will have no problem filling seats.
Jeter is old and even if last year was a down year, I don’t expect him to go back to .320 average .400 obp and gold glove caliber defense… Maybe .290 and average defense.
What we could compare him to is Cal Ripken Jr. during his last few years?
At any rate, I say as far as value such as his bat and defense, since he is a veteran, he is worth $8 million a year. With marketability, perhaps $12 million/yr.
If I were the yankees, Maybe i’d bump it to $15 million not to insult him.
Keep in mind that they signed Pettitte to a $5.5 million contract, then later to an $11.5 million one.
The Yankees know that Jeter is the face of the franchise and he’ll get a bit extra for that, however I don’t think they will be insane.
3 years, $45 million. Same as Moe got a little while ago.
Granted I’d call this high and offer 3 years $30-36 million, but that won’t happen.
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