New York Yankee Notes: Better Late Than Never Edition
by Ed Valentine on Nov 22, 2010 3:35 PM EST
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'Ambush' technique in Derek Jeter contract negotations may work against Yankees, source warns
The Yankees may truly want Derek Jeter to wear pinstripes for the rest of his career, but according to a source familiar with both sides, their "arbitration-ambush" approach in contract negotiations with the captain isn't doing them any favors. In fact, says the source, the Yankees would do well to remember what makes them an iconic franchise - their great players.
"Players like Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle - and Derek Jeter - are what make the Yankees the Yankees," the source said. "The iconic players make the iconic franchise, not the other way around."
The Yankees have made it clear that while they want to sign their 36-year-old captain, they expect it to be on their terms, namely with a three-year contract. And they have not been shy in pointing out Jeter's shortcomings, presumably as a counterpoint to what he brings to the franchise - a peculiar approach to signing a free agent of Jeter's status.
"If you have a valuable asset, why would you want to devalue it?" the source said. "That's what they're doing. It has an arbitration feel to it."
I don't know if the Yankees are truly "ambushing" Jeter. They are not just handing him a blank check, though, and this whole negotiation is going to be uglier than anyone wanted it to be.
Another Reason To Love Brett Gardner | FanGraphs Baseball
As expected, Gardner produced little power in 2010. His .103 ISO ranked 14th out of 18 qualified left fielders. Yet he managed a .358 wOBA, which ranked seventh. When factoring in defense — Gardner led all left fielders with a 21.9 UZR — he produced 5.4 WAR, which ranked sixth among left fielders. The next closest to him produced 4.2 WAR. In 2009, despite hitting for far more power, Damon produced just 3.3 WAR. By placing a non-traditional player in a power role, the Yankees actually managed to upgrade at the position.
Could Vazquez be the first to go? | The Lohud Yankees Blog
Of all the Yankees free agents, could Javier Vazquez be the first to sign elsewhere?
The Yankees don’t seem to be pursuing him, but Vazquez has built a legitimate market for himself. The Washington Nationals and Florida Marlins are both said to be interested, apparently hoping 2010 was nothing but a bump in the road.
They’re hoping to sign Vazquez on the cheap, then reap the benefits of a rebound.
Bye, bye, Javy. You won't be missed.
Three Yankees "targets" I’m not buying | The Lohud Yankees Blog
In one way or another, these three have been linked to the Yankees, sometimes with nothing more than speculation. In one way or another, they all make sense.
Derek Jeter's trainer says the New York Yankees shortstop is determined to come back strong - ESPN New York
If the Captain has his way, this won't be his last contract. Not even close.
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another reason not to trade Brett Garnder
he is one of the top players at his position in all of baseball
5+ win players do not grow on trees
Jeter
You have an asset that possesses greatest value so long as it remains within your organization. It’s a dangerous dance, but economically and logically, Jeter should be welcome to beat any deal with a stronger offer elsewhere. The Yankees can always increase their offer at that point.
Much like Andy’s paycut after the 2009 season, Jeter’s single destination status hurts his negotiating position.
This would be less painful had the Yankees not bid against themselves for Arod after the 2007 season, but it is what it is. A mistake made then doesn’t justify another mistake now.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
The Yankees can take whatever tack they want in negotiating with Jeter, as long as they keep their mouths shut publicly.
If the leaks are deliberate, they’re idiots for making them. If they’re not, whoever is responsible should be let go.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Vazquez puts up Pavano- like numbers next year in the National League.
If the Yankees buy into the WAR stat, Gardner won’t go anytwhere. If they even just intelligently watched him play, they would have seen how much he contributes.
by designatedquitter on Nov 22, 2010 4:00 PM EST reply actions
Tired of the Jeter contract talks.
Fox news said its diminishing his morality as a Yankee within a month. Umm its not Jeter is has to be the agent. Jete’s gotten enough money from the Yankees and endorsements. I’m sure he feels the same way.
Big D believes - One game at a time, Have a great Day.
MFY fan.
How big of a contract would Hall demand? It would be nice if he could be our infield utility man and also 4th outfielder
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by TheRealSlimShady on Nov 22, 2010 5:58 PM EST reply actions
The more junk that Close puts out there the more I would rather see Jeter in KC
The iconic player makes the team? Jeter does not belong in the same sentence as Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, and Mantle. He is a great Yankee but he is not the same as those guys. Without all the great players surrounding him, Jeter isnt the same player. Jeter was never and will never be the focal point of the Yankees.
And Ive always thought the face of the Yankees was the championship trophy, not any one player. I cant wait until this is over with.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
And
Ruth, Gehrig, DiMaggio, and Mantle didn’t have great players around them? I’m sure you’re familiar with the Yankees past and surely you realize how wrong you are with this statement that Jeter had great players around him and they didn’t. In fact, I’d say they were actually surrounded by better players.
There's always next year
They were also surrounded with great players I agree...
…But they were the main guy on their teams. Sorry but like ARod said years ago, Jeter isn’t the guy that teams feared or game planned against. During those title years, I would put Bernie, Tino, and O’Neill all ahead of Jeter in terms of importance. I dont think you can say the same about those other four guys. Jeter’s agent comparing him with Babe Ruth is the dumbest thing I have ever heard out of an agents mouth.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
The thing that frustrates me most
Is how the Yankees are being portrayed in all of this. How is it fair that players like Joe Mauer and Lebron James are expected to take discounts to stay where they are while Jeter is allowed to ask for whatever he wants and the Yankees get criticized for not giving it to him. Jeter came up in 1996 and had won 4 rings and been dubbed Mr. November before got his 189 million dollar deal. Thats pretty adequate reimbursement. So why now are the Yankees the bad guys for offering well above market value for a player in decline. They know the history, they know about 2009, they also know he’s slowing down and they know that theyre going to give him more money than AJ Burnett and enough years to take him into his 40’s even if theyre option years. The Yankees are expected to win and I for one will be upset if they don’t do everything they can to field a winning team. Casey Close and the media are ridiculous for wanting the Yankees to take on one more bad contract in addition to the inevitable Cliff Lee deal. Anything that’s bad for the Yankees is good for the media, though, I guess. Bottom line: Derek Jeter deserves to be paid more than AJ Burnett; Derek Jeter deserves to have a contract into at least his age 40 season and retire a Yankee; Derek Jeter is not worth either of these on the field but will get both on paper; Derek Jeter SHOULD NOT get offered a contract that will hurt the Yankees just to appease Casey Close.
How many of you would rather keep an anchor-footed above average contact hitting Derek Jeter in the middle infield knowing the Yankees won’t contend in 2014, 15 and possibly beyond?
OR
How many of you would take a hard nosed approach, let him know hes worth more to the Yankees than any other team but offer him ENOUGH money instead of all the money, so that the team can still perform well enough in free agent markets in the future.
Okay...
but do you really think, if he were SS in 2014, that that would somehow keep the Yankees from contending? This is the kind of argument that is frustrating. We don’t even know how much “in decline” he is. Of course being 36 it is expected his best years are behind him. But it is pure speculation as to what kind of production we will get…in the future.
There's always next year
Not by his own performance
We all hope he goes back on a tear and hits like .399 with 477 homeruns next year and for the next 12 years but he won’t. Even if he hits 320 with 120 runs scored and 28 stolen bases and 96 RBIs and wins another gold glove he can’t provide the payroll flexibility we need to sign 20 more players.
by ghandioncesaid on Nov 22, 2010 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
So maybe Jeter should just accept arbitation and try again next year
If 2010 was just bad luck, prove it.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
NOBODY
is against this idea except Jeter. If he whiffs on another full season being in a contract year the cries of decline only get confirmed. I think he can still perform at a very high level. It’s all speculation, I won’t claim that my opinion is correct but I need to say it: Jeter almost won the MVP going into his contract year. Is there any real reason to suspect that he wasn’t pressing in his at bats this year knowing what he did last year. In fact I remember reading in May or June that his approach at the plate had completely changed and he was seeing about a pitch per at bat less than his career average.
by ghandioncesaid on Nov 22, 2010 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
And this
is exacerbated by his own desire for a 6 year contract worth more annually than it will require to sign cliff lee. Check the recent Cliff Lee posts to see the kind of commitments we have held up for the next several years and why it’s not smart not only to sign cliff lee but to offer derek jeter half of the franchise
by ghandioncesaid on Nov 22, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Where did you hear he is asking for 6 years? I hadn’t seen that anywhere? Link?
There's always next year
I apologize
if I made it seem like there had been a public statement. But Close’s insistence on his importance to the Yankees insinuates that Jeter should be offered a contract past the terminating age of his teammates’.
by ghandioncesaid on Nov 22, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
david, it is a rumor out there that DJ wants 6 years
Google it, Im sure you will find a bunch of links.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
by YankeesJets on Nov 22, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
If he wants that he must think he’s going to be doing something other than playing baseball on the field. I love Jeter and will defend him till the end, but I think 4 years max at around 60 mil should satisfy all.
Maybe he’s saying that so the Yankees will counter with 4 and he’ll get what he wants and the Yankees will feel they didn’t have to give him what he “asked” for. I don’t know…
There's always next year
SEE
David… this is what I mean the contract WILL BE for more than he is worth and I love the captain. But I take exception with the media saying we should just give him 6 years and whatever dollar amount. It’s not right.
by ghandioncesaid on Nov 22, 2010 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Good
So I’m not out of my mind. Typing that Derek Jeter wants 6 years really does sound like crazy talk. And its the kind of crazy talk the media would love to shove down the Yankees’ throats
by ghandioncesaid on Nov 22, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
The media guys are the ones stirring this junk up
They want the Yanks to give Jeter 6 years 120 million so they can kill them for it. They are also loving that these negotiations have gone public. Jeter and his agent are right for wanting the negotiations private but the Yanks need the public behind them if talks do break down.
Should you choose to test my resolve in this matter, you will be facing a finality beyond your comprehension, and you will not be counting days, or months, or years, but milleniums in a place with no doors.
by YankeesJets on Nov 22, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
That first article
Why quote “the source” there? Is there any actual information in what the source says. Sounds like just an opinion of how everyone feels. A rather obvious opinion that the public majority already share. The yanks are hardballing and Jeter thinks he shouldn’t be treated this way. Well duh.
We don't play for the wild card around here kid
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