Proposed; Retool the Yanks for 2011
by Cbeck3 on Oct 27, 2010 9:34 AM EDT
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The Yanks didn’t make it in 2010. Good team, good attempt, time to retool. Resign Jeter and Mo. Then it's not time to stand pat.
Top priority is starting pitching. Sabathia has clay feet. Hughes is still developing. AJ disappointed, but will be back. Andy is a FA, only a maybe. Vazquez doesn’t get another shot.
Recommendation: Sign Lee. If the trade for Zack we read about is available, pull the trigger. Resign Andy if we can, you cannot have too much pitching.
Next priority is get younger and more athletic with a stronger bench. I do not see how we get better at left, center, first or second. So, the only target is right. Sign Carl Crawford, Swish to the bench. Then I heard an interesting proposal, sign or call up a dynamic defensive shortstop. Does anyone think Nunez can do it? Jeter moves to third, Arod to primary DH. A great increase in bench strength is created. Acquire, or bring up a defensive catcher. It is time for Cervelli to go.
Keep doing what we’re doing in the pen.
Others who are not the answer.
Thames, Berkman, Joba as starter, Nova as starter, Ramiro Pena.
I don’t like some of Girardi’s decisions, but he’s not the problem. I can live with him.
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Can’t resign ANY more DHs other than Thames.
Posada, Jeter, & Rodrigguez need to occupy the DH position.
I would sign Juan Uribe if Nunes isn’t ready to play more significant time
@ SS & 3B
Jeter should bat 9th & play maybe 125 gms @ SS.
Elvis Andrus started less gms @ SS than Jeter & had over 100 more assists.
Goodbye to Berkman, Johnson, & Kearnes, & Golson.
Cabrera could be signed as a 4th outfielder. Excellent fielder, good bunter,
very good arm. .250 hitter. He has 2 play @ 200 lbs, though. He’s put on
some weightlast year.
Too slow, no D
I want Swisher on the bench and Crawford in the field
"I’m never really surprised, but I am thrilled sometimes." Joe G. 2010
Retooling should involve all of minor leaguers called up, trades, and free agency.
It’s hard to imagine sending a switch hitter producing 29 homeruns and 80+ rbi (2 years in a row) to the bench.
Signing Crawford and Lee and acquiring (and probably extending) Greinke will blow the salary structure into a new universe, especially if Pettitte stays.
by designatedquitter on Oct 27, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions
Alex Rodriguez as a DH is the most foolish thing I've read yet today
Rodriguez is more than capable of playing his position at 3rd base. Jorge Posada, if anyone, should be moved toward the DH spot. His defense has never been stunning and continues to rapidly decline into a pit of despair.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
A-Rod is a more than capable 3B
He’s not moving yet. He’ll be at 3B next year and probably for 2-3 more years after that too.
My bet is that Jeter moves before A-Rod does.
"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot."- Kobe Bryant
and one more thing
Benching Swisher is an incredibly dumb idea. The guy made the All-Star team this year, and you want to stick him on the bench. He’s a more than capable hitter in the Yankees lineup, and you can pencil him in for 25 HR, 80 RBI and a good amount of walks next season. Don’t know why you’d want Swisher benched. That doesn’t make any sense to me.
Barring a trade (which I don’t think will happen, as I think Gardy will be traded before Swish will), Swisher will and should be in the lineup on opening day next year.
"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot."- Kobe Bryant
If Arod doesn't move, where is Jeter going?
3rd id the only reasonable move for him.
"I’m never really surprised, but I am thrilled sometimes." Joe G. 2010
LF
A-Rod plays a better 3B than Jeter does at SS. But we all know that is not happening next year.
by Scooby Snacks on Oct 27, 2010 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
A-Rod is a better 3B than Jeter is at SS
and is a better 3B than Jeter will ever be if he switched there.
Jeter has always shown a good ability to catch popups and make over the shoulder catches, which are good outfield skills.
My guess is that he moves to the outfield once he’s done at SS. A corner OF spot. Maybe once Swisher’s contract is up after the 2012 season he can move over to right.
"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot."- Kobe Bryant
his bat at a corner OF position would be teh suck
by Brian5517209 on Oct 27, 2010 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
That would be mitigated by having above average bats at 1B, 2B, 3B, and C (assuming Montero arrives).
by Scooby Snacks on Oct 27, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
who cares what position he's playing?
his bat is in the lineup either way. His position has nothing to do with his bat. The position he’s at doesn’t change the way he hits.
And it doesn’t matter, because A-Rod, Teixeira and Cano are all among the best in the league at their positions. And hopefully Jesus comes up.
"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot."- Kobe Bryant
+1
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Oct 27, 2010 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeets can't play 3b which is one of the reasons.
He doesn’t have the arm strength. He does the jump throw because it helps him get rid of the ball faster than setting his feet and making a strong throw from the hole.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
how do we get younger with a 29 year old LF , when swisher is 30 years old
we save 1 year. plus if jeter carries his SS defense to third we’d be better off with Arod who is league avg there.
Aren’t we all forever 29? Crawford is not the answer, and certainly not at the expense of Swisher’s bat/OBP.
this
I’m fine with us going after Crawford to drive up the price for any other suitors, but our outfield is fine the way it is. GGBG’s speed, patience, and OBP at amazing to set the table for the top of the line up. Grandy has speed, power, and good defense, and I would love to see what his numbers will look like after an entire season of his new swing. Swish has good power and defense, and he’s a great player for fans.
I wouldn't mind
A-Rod as the full-time DH. I mentioned it earlier this season and think it’s a good idea. I’d like to see Montero on the roster on opening day and starting at catcher. I would sign Posada to a one year deal and limit his duties as catcher.
I think A-Rod will remain at third this season tho, with Posada getting plenty of time at DH.
you proposed
jeter moves to third and Arod DH’s. Thats dumb. Arod is younger and can play third better. Hes more accustomed to the position. Jete was so bad that he should redeem himself with the designated hitter role
I'm assuming
it’s because of A-Rod’s hip issues, it’s why I brought it up during this past season. At least, that’s why I think it’s a good idea for 2012. Sooner IF necessary. I also would put Jeter in Left, if anywhere other than SS, and also after NEXT season.
Agreed except i would put Jeter in right
Gardeners probably our best fielding left fielder in terms of range
Nova isn’t the answer as a starter? His 2.86 ERA as a starter for Scranton this year? His slightly subpar 4.5 ERA in his FIRST 7 games? Keep in mind he is 23 and we aren’t saying he will be our ace.
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 27, 2010 4:56 PM EDT reply actions
No chance for Nova
He doesn’t have the stuff to start in NY. He’ll go like Rasner, Ohlendorf, etc etc. Not as good as IPK
"I’m never really surprised, but I am thrilled sometimes." Joe G. 2010
Stuff to start in NY??
What exactly are you expecting in a #5 starter? He’s got three plus pitches and tossed a career high of 187 inning in AAA/MLB combined. The knock on Nova is that he isn’t aggressive enough with the inside portion of the plate and with finishing off hitters. Those are both correctable.
by Scooby Snacks on Oct 27, 2010 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That's ridiculous
Hello everyone, my name is Curtis Granderson, and I'm a bus-o-holic
A supporter of the MFY.
I’m not a pitch expert and I only saw him pitch a couple times but he has a good fastball and a nasty curve from what I saw.
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 27, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
True enough
But developing a starter is painful. CC, AJ, Lee, Hughes, Pettitte or Zack G. Nova for long relief, spot starter at most. Putting him in the rotation is too risky. I’d rather start Joba. And I do not recommend that.
"I’m never really surprised, but I am thrilled sometimes." Joe G. 2010
he can't go past 5 innings with out having
that one “bad” inning, where he gives up 4-6. Otherwise, he might have started in the postseason. i only see him in there if we do nothing with pitching this off season. And this is the Yankees so that is probably not happening :/
Nova
He’s a young kid trying to navigate his way through a pennant drive with the greatest team in sports history. Given the scenario I think he was rather impressive. Don’t be so quick to write him off. He’s got good stuff. He just needs to refine what he has and develop his poise.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
can Yankees fans name another outfield in the entire league that is better than ours?
is there a trio that is better than Gardner, Granderson, and Swisher?
anybody?
Phillies aren't too bad
I think it’s Ibanez, Victorino and Werth? Thats as good as it gets offensively.
if the guys on the Mets actually played like the back of their baseball cards, I’d take Jason Bay and Beltran over Gardner and Granderson. Problem is, the Mets guys are always hurt and can’t seem to play to their capabilities when they are healthy, so I won’t count them.
Phillies have a solid outfield though.
"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot."- Kobe Bryant
Outfield solid, infield not
Yankees infield is as good as it gets, but there outfield could certainly be better. Texas has Cruz, Hamilton, and when Vlad is fielding, him too. That is simply outstanding.
True
The Yankees infield has A-Rod (best 3B in the game), Cano (best 2B in the game), Teixeira (one of the best 1B in the game, though I’ll put Pujols ahead of him), and Derek Jeter. Can’t get much better than that.
The OF for the Yankees is solid too. I wouldn’t change anything for next year offensively except for the bench, and the starting catcher.
"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot."- Kobe Bryant
you would trade our outfield for their outfield?
on second thought…i definitely would
but they’re about it
probably the Orioles too if Luke Scott played LF
a healthy Sizemore (which does not exist) and Choo make the Indians outfield> Yankees as well…
okay well we do not have the best outfield but we’re close!
by Brian5517209 on Oct 27, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Phillies?
"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot."- Kobe Bryant
If the Yankees want a dominant outfield to compliment the dominant infield, make Granderson hit for the WHOLE season. Make Gardner a lead off hitter and look into moving Swisher or DHing him while getting Werth. That makes us our outfield better.
Yankee fans give up on what they have and go get new things. We are kind of like little kids with toys. We shouldn’t be though, we should be fixing our already very good toys.
wow! i've never heard of that
moving derek jeter to third and making arod a full time has a lot of effects on te future of our team, first, nunez or pena gets a chance at SS which is a good thing,2nd we wond see montero probably until next year when posada says goodbye to the yankees bcz this move wouldput posada as still our liability at C. 3rd, we probably get the most of arod’s at bats because thats the only thing he needs to focus on. now what can u say about it???
Your a moron
There is a reason Jeter will never play 3rd…he doesnt have the arm strength. There is a reason they call it a power corner/hot corner. You have to make plays with incrediable arm strength and ARod still has better arm strength. As far as signing players and moving Swish I believe that is also a wrong move. He plays very good RF. The main problem is we have too many players who swing for the fence. Granderson is very capable of being our everyday CF. We need a Crawford to hit 2nd. Jeter needs to move to the sixth-8th spot. He is liable to the Double to much these past seasons. He will be resign mainly because he has had a 300 average every year except this one. 2 yr deal max I hope. I like Thames. It is hard to find a guy who can come off the bench and not complain about playing time. Your wrong about our pitchers too. Nova did a great job considering he moved from AA to the majors. Give him a chance. I would love to see them deal Joba, because he is prime to sell before he does anything else. AND…please resign Wood and MO. There is a chance that Brackman breaks the lineup, at least the bullpen. We need another LH relief pitcher. And that is a fact. OH…sign Lee for Christ’s sake!
Hate to tell y'all
Jeter will sign and play SS. ARod will play 3B. For a few more years each. They are not moving.
IMO Posada and Montero should platoon at catcher/DH. Swisher should not be benched or be a primary DH. So unless you trade him or Gardner, Crawford makes no sense.
Cash may surprise us all but the major areas where the Yankees can improve are pitching and bench. I am not excited by Lee. Too old for that kind of money.
Thames should follow Berkman out the door. So a fourth OF who can play defense. A backup infielder and a third catcher who can throw somebody out. Those are the areas of focus. It is just a tune up
If Petite retires then starting pitching becomes a concern. If he comes back as expected:
CC
Petite
Hughes
AJ
Joba or newcomer or Nova or ???
My god I think it actually got worse?
Referring to my losing isn’t always bad comment below my screen name. Were being invaded by 18 yr old Martians. I’m so screwed when it’s my turn for Social Security, we might be called the United States of were the bomb at Halo by then.
I love a disaster you ravenous bastard. Does this mean all the cobbs who showed up after the series in 09 are going to wagon over to the Texas site now? See losing isn't all bad. No more insults from dudes who don't know which way you run around the bases. Don't argue idiot it only makes my point. I WILL SHOOT U
by cashman bashman on Oct 28, 2010 6:37 PM EDT reply actions
I'm not funny since I got that plate in my head.
Sorry little green dudes with Yankee caps.
I love a disaster you ravenous bastard. Does this mean all the cobbs who showed up after the series in 09 are going to wagon over to the Texas site now? See losing isn't all bad. No more insults from dudes who don't know which way you run around the bases. Don't argue idiot it only makes my point. I WILL SHOOT U
by cashman bashman on Oct 28, 2010 6:39 PM EDT reply actions
Jeter ...
would retire or leave before moving positions. There is positively ZERO chance this would happen. As for benching Swisher, a .290 hitter with power who consistently ranks among the leaders in walks and OBP, you are on crack.
I fear signing Crawford would lead to major disappointment. I don’t think he would be a good fit. And I believe he’s about reached his ceiling and may even decline… Let Long continue to work with Granderson, and we’ll have a guy who will hit .280 with 35hr and 100+ rbi with 20+ sbs next season.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
Ronster
Good to see you.
I assure you I am not on crack. But I also do not want to see outfielding done by Marcus Thames or Derek Jeter, even on a part time basis.
I will confess to an old timer, I might have been more provacative in what I wrote than in what I really think we should do. But that 1/2 the fun, isn’t it.
Nova was impressive, but he missed his targets by a long way many many times. That will catch up with him. I am convinced we will not see him as more than a fill in starter in the Bronx in the next couple of years.
"I’m never really surprised, but I am thrilled sometimes." Joe G. 2010
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You can’t bench Swish…and Grandy is solid both in field and at plate…the weakest link is Gardner…has the speed to play LF…but lacks both arm and bat. He can’t even bunt for base hits…can’t hit a homer in Yankee Stadium…somethings wrong. I think they move him first and get Crawford for LF.
Swish had career numbers and in many cases you’d think that’s the time to trade a player. They screwed up by not resigning Matsui…so one never knows. If we can get Zack from the Royals I’d trade Gardner.
Hell I’d even let AJ get traded he’s only gotten worse. Will a new pitching coach be better for him? or not having Posada back there? Who knows…but 15 losses was 25% of the teams losses…that BLOWS.
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