Dave Eiland Won't Return As Yankees' Pitching Coach
by Ed Valentine on Oct 25, 2010 2:06 PM EDT
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PrintWas Dave Eiland just fired as New York Yankees pitching coach? Or, did he want to leave and general manager Brian Cashman chose not to fight him?
Either way, Eiland is out as pitching coach.
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Probably some sort of internal disagreement?
No clue as to why they’d let go of him
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
I do believe Cashman in that it wasn't Eiland's ability as a pitching coach
he was good and its not like the Yanks of these years to fire a coach like this. Who really knows why Eiland is being let go, but I dunno if we’ll ever know why
pick me a winner
I agree that there seems to be a lot of gray area here
But after 2008 they fired a few of Girardi’s handpicked coaches. So although I think there’s some personal reasons to Eiland leaving, I wouldn’t find a firing out of the quesiton.
Maybe it as to do with those days he was gone during the regular season
I don't think its a gay drink. Mojiitooooo!
That's what I'm thinking
Hello everyone, my name is Curtis Granderson, and I'm a bus-o-holic
A supporter of the MFY.
No, more like
our staff fell apart the last 3 months of the season. Don’t try to say he was good, he wasn’t. How could he not be fired?
Very true
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Oct 25, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder if there's any relation to his unexplained absence earlier this year
by long time listener on Oct 25, 2010 2:24 PM EDT reply actions
in the article Ed links to
someone brings up the unexplained AJ black eye. OooooOOo…spooky language!
pick me a winner
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 25, 2010 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions
only one explanation
AJ asked Eiland about the absence. Eiland punched AJ’s face for him. Another case closed by the PSA Detective Squad. Book him, boys.
by long time listener on Oct 25, 2010 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Excellent usage of the word "intriguing"
I award you one point
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Oct 25, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome Curt Young
Curt Young ops to leave A’s for “better opportunities”
Look what he’s done with their young pitchers like Cahill, Gio Gonzalez and Dallas Braden, while having the lowest team ERA in the league.
It’d be great to keep him from Boston, too.
So we need to sign pitching coaches to keep them from Boston now too?
Really?
And if you forget our names, just tell them we were Yankees
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Oct 25, 2010 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Absolutely. We should beat them in everything!
Heck, I’d scalp their best stadium hot dog vendors, too, just to see the Sox fans a little hungrier during the game.
you honestly were expecting this (i wouldn't be surprised...)
If he fixed Burnett after whatever the hell happened with him they should’ve given Eiland a stake in ownership. Vazquez had physical issues that couldn’t be survived with high dose or low dose Cialis.
pick me a winner
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 25, 2010 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Care to explain why you wanted him out?
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Oct 25, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
He may be on his way out next
Did you not notice that many of our players had their career worst seasons at the plate? He helped Grandy for a few weeks (day late and a dollar short) and he helped Swisher a little…
I doubt it
Career worst seasons by guys like Jeter and Posada were directly related to their age an injury problems. Arod still got himself 30/125 despite injuries. Swisher has shown great improvement, Granderson has show outstanding improvement, Gardener and even Robby Cano have become better hitters with the help of Long. He is the best hitting coach in the league, and if they let him go, it’s assured they will get someone worse in return.
Yea, like Cano. Career worst.
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 25, 2010 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
he's always been good...but doesn;t mean he didn;t need help
In 2007 cano through May he hit .249, also prior to working with long his career high in hr never topped 20. Cano even acknowledges himself Long’s HR drill helped him gain more power. So the 20+ cano you see now? thank kevin long for that. But sure Fire him too after one “unsuccessful” season by the team
http://www.nj.com/yankees/index.ssf/2010/10/quarky_home_run_drill_nets_hug.html
Oh no facts...proving you wrong...run awayyyyy
Or should I say “my opinion is better”
by lololol on Oct 26, 2010 3:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oh no facts...proving you wrong...run awayyyyy
Or should I say “my opinion is better”
by lololol on Oct 26, 2010 3:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Goddamn internet crapping out on me
by lololol on Oct 26, 2010 3:33 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You know I'm not running
Just not going to argue over something silly. I didn’t say I think he should go, although I wouldn’t mind, I said I wouldn’t be surprised.
Helped Swisher a little?? Batting average from ~.250 to in the .280's
Hello everyone, my name is Curtis Granderson, and I'm a bus-o-holic
A supporter of the MFY.
the point was consistency and production
yes swisher would still have been a 350+ obp w/o long, but now he’s a 350 obp guy who also makes more contact and can hit .280
doesn't say the whole story, that's true
But…
Player A: .250/.400/.600
Player B: .300/.400/.600
Take player A there. Swisher’s other stats didn’t take a big hit with the added AVG…29 homers both years.
Hello everyone, my name is Curtis Granderson, and I'm a bus-o-holic
A supporter of the MFY.
Yeah, really YankeesJets
Some here only use it when it benefits their argument but try doing the same and they say it’s useless. F’in hilarious. I’m glad I’m a shrink. I get plenty of laughs here sometimes.
/facepalm
yes lets fire the guy who helped grandy find consistency, help swisher have his best career year. Yeah okay that make sense. Maybe the other players slumping had something to do with number down across the league and the fact out hitter just had bad years and nothing to do with Long who actually improved the people who came to him for help…jesus this is borderline sparkysave like
Long isnt going anywhere
This fire everybody/trade everybody mentality isnt going to get us anywhere.
seriously
one “bad season” where we miss the WS by two games and everyone wants a complete overhaul of the team. It’s borderline ridiculous, did we really get that spoiled from the WS win last year?
yea...but i don't think Long is one of those issues at this point
right now we’d should be more focused on rotation, development of prospects and that stuff…not overhauling our coaching staff and getting rid of everyone who didn’t preform in the play offs (which would be half the team)
Some people cant accept that theYanks got beat
There were plenty of years where the Yanks won and they didnt have the best team. I think Texas got hot at the right time, while Yanks got cold.
Hey lololol
Where, exactly, did anybody mention he should be fired? I did, however, say I wouldn’t be surprised.
You implied it
You don’t know how it works do you? Saying long could be next and he did nothing for our hitters is implying you want him fired mr.shrink
by lololol on Oct 26, 2010 3:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You implied it
You don’t know how it works do you? Saying long could be next and he did nothing for our hitters is implying you want him fired mr.shrink
by lololol on Oct 26, 2010 3:29 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
+1
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Oct 25, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
dave duncan? lol
i wish..
I believe in the Church of Baseball
by Frank Campagnola on Oct 25, 2010 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
My first thought
And I felt a little guilty. I feel for Eiland, and hope he gets a good gig somewhere.
by pkyankeefan on Oct 25, 2010 4:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He probably will
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Oct 25, 2010 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not entirely surprised
Eiland was not the guru that Kevin Long was with the hitters. Whatever was wrong with AJ and Vazquez he was unable to fix, while Long was able to turn automatic out vs. lefties Curtis Granderson into a respectable hitter against them. I believe Cashmoney that it was not because of the ALCS, it was because of the entire season.
by Wraithpk on Oct 25, 2010 4:06 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
you can't turn chicken shit into chicken salad
Maybe a better (or different) pitching coach could have gotten more out of AJ and Javy, but I think they were beyond help.
by long time listener on Oct 25, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You're giving Long Kudos
for helping Grandy after 80% of the season had passed without the mention of not one other player he helped? Maybe Swisher, but that’s it. Long may be shown the door, too.
wouldn't count on that.
pick me a winner
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 25, 2010 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
How about the fact that the players all swear by kevin long, and he’s regarded as one of the best hitting coaches in the league?
by Wraithpk on Oct 26, 2010 11:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
people just like finding scape goats. Ex: blaming the new guys (who produced), blaming the coaches (not long or eiland’s fault certain plays couldn’t find in the play offs) or blaming the GM (in extreme hindsight). They can;t accept the fact the palyer didn’t play well by their own right and have to blame some outside source. it’s stupid, but thats fans for you
Don't know why
not for us to know though. He did a good job here. Cash’s reasons for letting him go are his own. I wish Eiland good luck finding another job and I hope that he manages to find a great replacement?
Dave Duncan anyone? I sure wish.
"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot."- Kobe Bryant
1 month disappearance in June
While he left the team for a private matter which was never disclosed, this was frowned upon. He could not turn around AJ upon his return and Joba was missued.
Heyman on Yanks offseason
Think what you want of Heyman – this is a logical perspective. “Dollars and sense” are required. Great sound bite
Wasn't there rumors when Eiland was away for a weeks in June
that he was in substance abuse rehab? The front office issued a media gag order and threatened to take away inside stories access if anyone ran a story.
I never heard that
All we heard is that he left for a month in June for personal unexplained reasons.
There are a lot of rumors about any sort of unexplained story. Most of them probably aren’t true.
Either way, it’s a change. Eiland did a good job but I have complete faith in Cashman to find a suitable and hopefully a better replacement.
"I'll do whatever it takes to win games, whether it's sitting on a bench waving a towel, handing a cup of water to a teammate, or hitting the game-winning shot."- Kobe Bryant
agree
It’s all rumors and innuendo. It’s possible that whatever caused him to be away is still a factor (more rumors and innuendo), but it’s a little unfair to try and speculate as to what the exact nature of the problem is, given that we have no information.
by long time listener on Oct 25, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Not substance abuse.
Just a lil wandering willy.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Oct 25, 2010 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
how far did it wander that he was out for a month?
by long time listener on Oct 25, 2010 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
It needed to be placed on the 60 day DL.
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he turned into johnson
Hello everyone, my name is Curtis Granderson, and I'm a bus-o-holic
A supporter of the MFY.
of course as some of us mention dave duncan
sidebar shows he’s back with the Cards for another 2 years
I believe in the Church of Baseball
by Frank Campagnola on Oct 25, 2010 4:38 PM EDT reply actions
i want a Pitching coach how can teach our pitchers to throw a good change up
seriously…Aj needs one and Hughes needs one,.
for that kind of money, he should learn to fly the team plane, too
by long time listener on Oct 25, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
he should also be out new manager..fire girardi
We can have jeter, lee and mo run the Managing, pitching staff and bullpen..saves us tons of money for guy who we’ll just bitch at
And we can let Kerry Wood replace Cashman to keep him away from the Mets.
"Young men, I have no doubt that you're gonna do well today. But I have 1 favor to ask of you... SAVE JIMMY JOHNSON'S ASS FOR ME!" Lou Holtz
by TheRealSlimShady on Oct 25, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
How about bringing the rocking one out of retirement
Leo Mazzone anyone?
"Here, if you have a milkshake, and I have a milkshake, and I have a straw. There it is, that's a straw, you see? You watching?. And my straw reaches acroooooooss the room, and starts to drink your milkshake... I... drink... your... milkshake!"-Daniel Plainview
by yankee come lately on Oct 25, 2010 7:12 PM EDT reply actions
those who can, do
Those who can’t, teach.
by long time listener on Oct 25, 2010 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Kevin Long
As a long time Yankee fan, I find the comments here offensive regarding Kevin Long.
Please the idea that he has transformed the Yankee hitters.
The Yankees were a terrible situational hitting team.
They rarely hit a sacrifice fly.
Who’s fault was that?
They were most fortunate to win the two games agst the Rangers, who more or less defeated themselves. Do you recall how these games were won? Wake up people!!!
The Yankees either struggled mightily or could not defeat any big time pitcher this year.
Why? Because as good as Long may be with these hitters he has a poor situational and team approach.
I also don’t buy that Kevin Long has made Arod, Cano better hitters. These guys were already solid hitters.
Where has Kevin Long succeeded with bunting and moving runners over?
Please this love affair with him is ridiculous. At least, stop with the denial and acknowledge his faults here.
Kevin long improves swing..he doesn't have power to tell the hitters to not swing at crap int he dirt
You can teach anyone to hit for power. but what they swing at and how they approach the plate it the player’s own decision nothing to do with hitting coach. If Long can control BABIP, how every player approaches the plate (IE why jeter first pitch swings, why gardner enver first pitch swings has nothing to do with long more on the batters themselves) The point of a coach is to give them the tools to succeed which we saw with Long, when he improved swisher, Grandy and yes EVEN cano. How they use the tools is up to the hitters. Long cna;t come up to the plate and give them advice mid AB nor doe he have the power to teach hitters to hit it at a specific spot. i don;t understand why anyone with some sort of baseball knowledge don;t get this. Coaching is not the root of the problem all the time…maybe it’s just the hitters not stepping up?
Pretty sure they beat Halladay...and Lee, even though he took a ND.
Those seem like 2 examples of big time pitchers they beat this year.
And if you forget our names, just tell them we were Yankees
by WhatwouldJeterdo on Oct 26, 2010 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's time to post one of those pointless poll questions so that evryone can vote [make a mindless guess] as to why Eiland was let go.
Then we can have another one to name his replacement. Then a poll on whether it’s worthwhile to spend our time answering polls.
by designatedquitter on Oct 26, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions
Does the above poster hate polls?
1. Yes
2. No, this is really his passive-aggressive manner trying to hide his unbridled passion for polls.
3. Who gives a rats ass.
This is what I mean. You give a rat's ass, or you wouldn't have responded.
[the word ‘rat’ is possessive, and so takes an apostrophe].
Perhaps a nice poll would calm you down.
by designatedquitter on Oct 26, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
An Eiland unto himself ...
I thought Dave Eiland was solid as a pitching coach. As one poster wrote you “can’t make chicken salad out of chicken shit.” I don’t think our staff was shit, but we certainly weren’t chicken salad either.
This had something to do with his absence. I suspect this was a mutual parting. That said, I’d lock on to Curt Young and bring him to NYC.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
Lol
Your argument is ridiculous.
The Yankee hitters for the most part slumped in August – October.
If you want to talk about someone lacking knowledge, you should learn more about how the game is played.
You are very wrong about situational hitting.
This is something which can be taught and teams do it quite well.
What great tools did Long teach them?
These were good hitters before Long coached them.
Where were these so called " tools" on display in the last 3 months when the Yankees offense was sliding?
.
These are ridiculous statements if I ever heard any.
Look at players like Michael Young, Chase Utley and Victor Martinez and how they hit.
They can hit for power, but they also don’t try to do too much with pitches rather serving the ball when behind in the count.
That is discipline and comes from good teaching.
Long, as a hitting coach, bears that responsibility.
The Yankees didn’t lose to top pitchers this year.
Let me help refresh your memory.
How many times did the Yankees lose to Felix Hernandez, Lester and Lee this year?
Too many situations where the yankees left men on base.
How can you deny this fact?
Sterling and Kay repeatedly said this during the games.
Why do you refuse to acknowledge this?
Why are we so in love with Long?
Because it appears that players who went to him for help in the midst of slumps emerged as much better hitters.
The players have to go to Long for help- he doesn’t force himself upon them. Swisher, Jeter, and Granderson hit better after working with Long. No one has heard of anyone who worked with him and got worse. That’s why he’s loved. Or at least liked. Also, even in a down year for offense around the league, the Yankees led everyone in runs scored. Although the Yankees had problems advancing runners and/ or scoring them from 3rd base, the LOB stat correlates positively with winning [ the team that leaves more runners on base wins over 80% of the time].
by designatedquitter on Oct 27, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Better hitters with the end results they couldn't hit when it counted most
As Bill Parcells said, it’s all about the bottom line.
Yankees were merely mortal agst the Rangers.
Therefore, last piece of info. from designatedquitter was worthless info.
The bottom line is runs is what wins you games not men left on base.
Btw, your statement that these guys go to Long also is wrong.
Long approached them during the winter and he is paid to coach them.
Not vice versa.
Keep up the blinders.
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