Ranking The Yankees' 40-Man Roster
by Brandon C. on Oct 10, 2010 9:39 PM EDT
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Earlier today I noticed this post by Paul Hoynes of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. In the post, Hoynes ranks the 40 man roster of the Indians and puts Shelley Duncan (a personal favorite) at #11.
So, I decided to rank the Yankees' 40-man roster based on contributions to the team in the regular season contributions only. I did not include the players that didn't play any games in the majors this year. The injured players bump the roster up to 39 players.
Feel free to argue with me on my choices and sway me towards switching it. (I will do so if you give me a good enough argument)
Here we go:
39. Nick Johnson- I picked Johnson for No. 39 because he failed to do what he was asked of, and while he probably isn't the worst major leaguer on the roster, he is an embarassment.
38. Javier Vazquez- You may notice he is way worse than A.J., but I put him here because of my disliking for 2004 Yankees that are on the current roster. Obviously not really worse than Moeller. (Update: This is a joke, he isn't really the 38th best player. Thought everyone would get that! If I ranked him where he should be I'd put him in the Aceves-Berkman range.)
37. Chad Moeller- Gotta love Chad Moeller! Defense is the only reason he is allowed to wear pinstripes.
36. Royce Ring- David Ortiz got a bunt hit off of him. He can tell his grandkids that.
35. Damaso Marte- Only pitched seven innings this season. Not very valuable.
34. Romulo Sanchez- I bet 50% of you don't know that he pitched 4.1 scoreless in two games this season.
33. Kevin Russo- Wasn't very good in his time in the majors.
32. Colin Curtis- Outside of his home run, pretty much the same as Russo, just a bit better.
31. Jonathan Albaladejo- If this was a Scranton list, he would be No. 2 after Montero.
30. Juan Miranda- If this was a Scranton list, he would be No. 3.
29. Austin Kearns- Wasn't much better than Miranda in his time with the Yankees.
28. Greg Golson- Has a nice arm and great speed, made a nice throw in Tampa.
27. Alfredo Aceves- It amazes me that in 10 appearances he still managed to get three wins. Another injured player.
26. Chad Gaudin- White flag Gaudin ate a lot of innings, so he makes the top 26.
25. Eduardo Nunez- Behind Pena only because he was with the team for less of the season. Less time=less value.
24. Ramiro Pena- Didn't give the Yankees much value outside of his defense this season, as expected.
23. Lance Berkman- I'm going to get some hate for this, but this is based on regular season stats with the Yankees. He hit .255 in 37 games with the club. I probably ranked him too high, if anything.
22. Francisco Cervelli- Maybe I ranked him too high, but he was a disappointment this year.
21. Ivan Nova- His stats are worse than his actual performances, if that makes sense. Pitched well in few starts.
20. A.J. Burnett- Toughest player to rank. Lost more games than won, and contract does come into play
19. Dustin Moseley- Was solid out of the pen and pitched well in a few starts.
18. Sergio Mitre- Mitre actually had a really good season and got little credit for it. Ate innings, pitched well enough to stay on the roster all year.
17. Joba Chamberlain- Joba pitched in 73 games and gave up almost exactly a hit per inning. 71.2 Innings Pitched, 71 hits allowed. Thought that was interesting.
16. David Robertson- 3.82 ERA on the year for D-Rob in 64 appearances. Started off very slowly.
15. Kerry Wood- If he was with the team for the entire year, he'd be in the top 5-10. A 0.69 ERA in 24 games with the Yankees.
14. Jorge Posada- His offensive struggles this season have yet to be analyzed. He probably is just getting old.
13. Curtis Granderson- I may be way off on this one, he was tough to place. Stepped it up at the end of the season.
12. Marcus Thames- After having an awful spring training, Thames surprised and hit the ball well. Stuck with the team the whole year, and even had an offensive outburst.
11. Derek Jeter- Jeter was surprisingly off this year. It was odd having to put him behind Logan.
10. Boone Logan- When the Yankees made the Vazquez trade, did they say "hey we just got our 10th most valuable player for the season in Logan" ?
9. Brett Gardner- He's gritty, he's gutty, he's gritty, gutty Brett Gardner!
8. Mark Teixeira- Struggled even more than usual at the beginning of the year, that cost him.
7. Andy Pettitte- If it wasn't for his injury, he would be ahead of Hughes.
6. Nick Swisher- Maybe ranked too high, but Swisher had a great season and has contributed way more than expected after being traded for Betemit and company.
5. Alex Rodriguez- If it wasn't for his injury, he would be ahead of Hughes.
4. Phil Hughes- Was the pitcher we all wanted and more. Outstanding season, and contributed all season long.
3. Mariano Rivera- It's Mo. He has to be in the top three!
2. Robinson Cano- Between him and Sabathia, I spent a while arguing who was the more valuable player for the Yankees. In the end I came to the conclusion that the Yankees offense was good enough on the days Cano didn't hit well, and the Yankees rotation was in ruins outside of CC.
1. CC Sabathia- Free burgers for everyone!
Thoughts?
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I woulda put the Paddler at 1
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Do tell why.
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Despite what you said,
If he’s not there, I don’t think the offense is the same. Its really close between Robbie and CC, but I give the edge to Robbie
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I think of it this way. Without CC the Yankees are a worse team than without Robby. Just my opinion, it can be argued the opposite way.
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And I totally understand that argument.
I just think that without scoring you can’t win, and in my opinion even when he went through patches where he wasn’t hitting that well, him being there helped Tex and ARDO
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Just an argument to see if Cano is possibly #1.
Its a toss up, but Cano went out there every day. CC went out about every 5. So I’d say Cano. Pitching is only 1/3 of the game.
Individuals don't win Championships, Teams do.
Chase for 28
WAR says Gardner was a Yankees top 5 (at least) valuable player this year.
Individuals don't win Championships, Teams do.
Chase for 28
WAR is a sabermetric. Me and sabermetrics do not get along.
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Alright, well can you see my point about Cano?
Individuals don't win Championships, Teams do.
Chase for 28
Why are you so adverse to advanced metrics?
by Scooby Snacks on Oct 10, 2010 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m an old time stats guy. I’m not against others using them, but I would much rather watch the game, and depend statsitic based analysis on home runs, RBI, etc. I just like what I’m used to, sure that’s probably the wrong way to think, but to be honest I don’t think using sabermetrics really enhances the game in any way shape or form. I watch the games primarily to watch, then to anaylze. With the metrics people are saying “That strikeouts going to hurt his WAR” or “If he hits a walk off here, his WOHR will improve by 0.44!” (Yes I made up WOHR) Anyway, I’m rambling. Just not my style, the new stats.
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by Brandon C. on Oct 10, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Brandon I like you a little more after that explantion
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is that?
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by Brandon C. on Oct 11, 2010 10:25 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree with Most Except
Logan & Thames should be below Jeter & Granderson
Cervelli was better than you give him credit for… should be in Mitre’s spot. He handled the load when Posada was out plus gave him a break. He was a good back-up catcher.
I would not give Mitre & Logan as much credit as you do
by YANKEES FOREVER on Oct 11, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Without Logan, the Yankees don’t have a lefty reliever that can get outs the entire season.
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Agree but Logan was not more valuable than Jeter & Granderson
You have to consider playing time in your equation for value to the team.
Also I believe Cervelli was more valuable than Mitre. Mitre was mostly used in mop up situations… not high pressure. I would trust Cervelli in important games but not Mitre
by YANKEES FOREVER on Oct 11, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I criticize your lack of a "jump"
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good list
I only had one qualm, (nothing major) I thought despite Tex having a bad season for him, he was better than 8th for the Yankees. Andy’s injury keeps him from being better and I think he outplayed swish. Tex brings MVP defense and still had 30 and 100 despite the slow April and May. He also never missed time unlike others in the lineup. Just a thought, otherwise I liked it
I would change a few
Pretty accurate, some discrepancies in the low 30s high 20s, but, by design, they’re mostly meaningless.
what. no Randy Winn?
One post at a time, sir! I’ll probably do one when the Yankees postseason ends, but one for each round gets a bit redundant.
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He isn’t on the teams current 40 man roster.
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I miss Jeter
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I miss Kei Igawa
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I miss Kenny Lofton
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Scott Proctor misses him arm
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I miss Brett Favre
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The 2010 Minnesota Twins missed the fairway
Mauer hit that one straight into the bunker
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That's pretty close to how I'd rank them
I think I’d put both Posada and Granderson ahead of Thames, though. I think you have to have a really off year as a catcher to rank lower than a DH, and I think the combination of Granderson’s final months with his defense has to put him above Thames. (Thames’ defense was valuable for its humor.)
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That throw from 3rd have been the worst I can remember seeing.
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I think...
Gary Sheffield at third base was an equally disastrous experiment.
I dont think you can call nearly 500 games at third an experiment
He wasnt a gold glover but he also want Thames like at 3B either.
by YankeesJets on Oct 11, 2010 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Ranking guys because what they did in 2004 really takes away some credibilty from the post
Javy 38 out of 39 is a joke. Wasnt that long ago he was considered a magnificent bastard.
Javy 38 out of 39 is a joke.
It was a joke.
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Joke yes, but he did more for the team than a bunch of the guys ranked ahead of him
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Which is why it is a joke…
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So this is a serious post or a joke post?
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Since I was the one who dubbed him that
I revoke 50% of that nickname.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Oct 11, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Joe Morgan wishes Cano was there instead of that woman
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I like how the said he likes to remind people that they on the 75 World Series
He likes to remind people about more than just that.
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I find it pretty funny
that we make fun of Joe Morgan all the time because he shows a clear liking of one of our players.
He’s not a very good announcer, but his man-crush on Cano is no reason to hate him lol
I hate all Boston sports teams
There is so many other reasons to hate him
I can only imagine what we hear from him when Cano does win the batting title. “I’ve been saying he would win for years”
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
oh I know
believe me, I don’t like him. He’s a bad announcer and makes it no fun to listen to games. But him constantly talking about Cano winning a batting title isn’t something I don’t like, especailly with the way ESPN usually is about the Yanks.
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I have no problem with Morgan talking about Cano
Its refreshing to hear him talk about somebody other than himself.
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s a jinx. Cano would’ve won a batting title by now if it wasn’t for Joe Morgan’s curse.
by Scooby Snacks on Oct 10, 2010 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Vazquez is way too low on this list
Come on Barndon. 38th? He was a monumental disappointment this year, obviously. But he gave us a few months in he middle of the season of pretty good pitching. He was one of the top guys on the staff from May-July. It’s not fair to rank him that low due to 2004.
Did I expect more? Obvoiusly. But Javy did a hell of a lot more to help this team win than the likes of Royce Ring and Chad Moeller. He should be around where Burnett is ranked, maybe a little lower since AJ is still relevant in the Yankees minds while Javy is forgotten.
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it was a joke ^^^^
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oh ok
missed that part lol.
So Barnd, where would he have really been ranked?
I hate all Boston sports teams
Im thinking at least 24
And AJ carried the Yanks in April and early May, he belongs higher too
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
+1, May and April matter too
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yea AJ was the best pitcher early on
and AJ was also excellent in July and wasn’t awful in September either.
He had two awful months, and those months were really awful. It inflated his ERA, destroyed his season and destroyed most Yankees fans confidence in him.
It may be because I’m too trusting or just happen to really like AJ, but I haven’t by any means lost confidence in him yet. In fact, quite the opposite. I think he’ll come up big in the ALCS.
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22 sounds about right
Lets not forget he brought us Logan too,lol
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Where does Javy go next year?
Mets? Nats?
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
It would be smart for the Mets to pick him up, actually
he’s clearly a strong NL pitcher and a bad-mediocre AL pitcher. He’s coming off an awful season, so the Mets may get a steal really cheap if they went for Javy.
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They are too stupid to do something like this
Surprised Omar didnt extend Ollie on the way out
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
umm no
that would be Melky, aka 2009 walk-off king and currently one of the worst players in baseball.
Although right now, I’d take Melky over Conrad. Thats for sure.
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One of the worst players in baseball? That might be a little harsh
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
yea thats a little harsh I guess
although this year he hit about .250 with AJAX like power and played a mediocre center field. He was not the player he was last year for the Yanks.
I like Melky though, so I hope he turns it around next year.
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Maybe his heart wasnt into it
How would you feel going from the Yanks to the Braves?
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions
And going away from my best friend
yea I’d feel terrible about it. But I’ve always been an optimistic person so I’d try and look at it as a new start, sort of. And a chance to play under Bobby Cox in his last year would be pretty cool too.
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Not trying to get into this whole thing again, but by WAR, Melky has been THE worst player in baseball this year, at -1.2.
.255/.317/.354 with 4 home runs and -15.9 fielding runs is very, very, very bad.
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by Lord Duggan on Oct 10, 2010 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Ouch, I know Im not a metric man but Melky stinks
What the hell happened to him?
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
He wasnt the second coming of Bernie but he wasnt the worst player in baseball either
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont think before this year Melky was one of baseballs worst players
He was an average to below average player with a decent arm in the OF. I know sabermetrics tell one story but the Melky I saw last year came up with a bunch of key hits. 1.7 WAR is pretty much a slightly below average player, right? I really dunno.
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions
as I mentioned below, his stats may not have been all that great, but he came up big when it mattered
That clutchness will disappear over time as it was just a SSS thing, but theres no denying it, Melky was huge for the 09 yanks.
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being clutch in a few games doesn't make up
for being horrible over a year. yes his numbers were “pretty” but honestly he wasn’t that great as a fielder and tends to be of a hacker. plus 1.7 isn;t bad but it’s just saying he wasn;t amazing.
A team full of zero WAR players would theoretically win about 50 games in a complete season. If you took all the position players from any random AAA team and played them in the ML level all year, half of them would’ve out-performed Melky this season.
by Scooby Snacks on Oct 11, 2010 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
wasn't excellent last year either
Got all a lot of big hits (which was GREAT), but eventually he was gonna regress to his ability.
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ugh Phillies about to clinch
I hate them. I hope the Giants/Braves kill them.
I hate all Boston sports teams
Poor Reds fans, they deserved better
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they ran into one of the best teams this decade
though to be fair, they brought the sweep on themselves. Their game 2 performance was disgraceful. They had it won, and they threw it away.
I hate all Boston sports teams
hence "Poor Reds fans" and not "Poor Reds"
The team couldn’t touch the Phillies. Whoever wins the AL will have a hard time with them.
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I dont think ther Phils are unbeatable
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by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
They're certainly beatable, it's the playoffs where small sample sizes prevail
If the Nationals made the postseason they would have a chance to beat the Phillies.
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What was worse
Conrad’s 3 errors this year or Holliday’s drop last year?
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They know the Yankees are going to beat them again this year
I wonder if Rollins is going to make any predictions
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Hamels sounds like a dork.
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Just keep pounding the corner...
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Pause?
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Huh....I don't remember that one.
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Go to youtube, type in cole Hamels commercial
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
uhh did i get warned for this?
because i did not exactly use the term offensively and it was the name of the commercial hamels did for modern warefare 2…Fight Against Gernade Spam, which comes out to the thing above….
Your acronyms hurt my feelings and are insensitive
I suggest you take a class on sensitivity training.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Oct 11, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotta disagree with one...
Gardner should be #3. That’s right, even above Rivera. He had the second highest WAR on the team behind Cano, eighth highest OBP in the AL, and according to UZR, he was the single best defensive player in all of baseball, and by a huge margin over the second best, Carl Crawford.
Wow, his impressive year just looks even more impressive
Best defensive player in baseball, I bet he gets hosed for the GG though.
by YankeesJets on Oct 10, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s a “Yankee?”
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"He doesn't dive for catches, therefore he must be bad" - what they will say
Dumbasses don’t realise that he doesn’t dive cause he doesn’t have to…
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According to BRS (Barndon Ranking System) he is where I put him. Seriously, though, I don’t use sabermetrics, so you have to remember that when you read my posts.
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by Brandon C. on Oct 11, 2010 10:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Maybe you should use sabermetrics.
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I think this is the first time anyone has ever said that! :D
There's no half-singing in the shower, you're either a rock star or an opera diva.
Probably the last, as well.
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No comprendo
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Why does edg think i dont speak english well?
There's no half-singing in the shower, you're either a rock star or an opera diva.
You'll have to ask him that.
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Maybe you should be quiet! Seriously, though, I’m not about to use those. Give up on that.
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Why? If I can understand them
so can you.
There's no half-singing in the shower, you're either a rock star or an opera diva.
I can understand them I’m not four years old. I don’t want to use them. I’ll copy and paste from above.
I’m an old time stats guy. I’m not against others using them, but I would much rather watch the game, and depend statsitic based analysis on home runs, RBI, etc. I just like what I’m used to, sure that’s probably the wrong way to think, but to be honest I don’t think using sabermetrics really enhances the game in any way shape or form. I watch the games primarily to watch, then to anaylze. With the metrics people are saying "That strikeouts going to hurt his WAR" or "If he hits a walk off here, his WOHR will improve by 0.44!" (Yes I made up WOHR) Anyway, I’m rambling. Just not my style, the new stats.
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OKay. I can understand that.
I used to be the same way. I just think that the way your doing it based solely on your own opinion, which isnt a good way to judge ones performance.
There's no half-singing in the shower, you're either a rock star or an opera diva.
Did you know there are stats outside of sabermetrics? Believe it or not, when Gehrig and Ruth were playing, they didn’t judge it on WAR or FIP or anything, they used basic statistics. Even 10 years ago. I like it like that.
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No? REALLY?
Did you include basic stats? You know i didnt actually read it.
There's no half-singing in the shower, you're either a rock star or an opera diva.
If you’re not going to bother reading it, don’t bother commenting about it.
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Classic stats are ok, but some of the new stats tell you things that you would never get by using only the classical stats. For starters, some of them allow you to compare players across eras, something you cannot objectively do with avg, rbi, or ERA.
For example, we all know that Babe ruth was great, but exactly how good was he? His career avg was .342, which seems pretty good. You have to take into account, though, that the offensive environment back then was much different. wRC+ is an offensive stat that compares a player’s production to the rest of the league that year. Babe Ruth was a career 204 player, meaning he was over twice as productive as the average player in his time. To put that in perspective, the most dominant player in our time was Barry Bonds, who had a career wRC+ of just 177.
So, how valuable was Ruth in his day? WAR can help us with that. In the Babe’s best season, he was worth 15.4 wins. That is nearly twice the value Josh Hamilton gave the Rangers this year. We haven’t even had a 10 win player since the end of the steroid era. At todays standard rate of 4 million per win, Ruth would have been worth nearly 62 million for that year. These are the type of questions that sabremetrics can answer.
I think it’s an opinion. If someone wants to use sabermetrics, awesome! If they don’t, awesome! Someone trying to force sabermetrics on me is pointless. No one will convince me that they are necessary, or even important. Especially when WAR has Rickie Weeks valued ahead of Carlos Gonzalez. Whatever that means.
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Having Javier Vazquez at #38 is a complete joke
Chad Gaudin at #26? I think not.
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
Sorry
Just read the disclaimer behind that… still think Gaudin is WAY too high on the list
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next." -George Michael Steinbrenner III
by Chris McKeown on Oct 11, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Who below him would you move up?
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Who would you move up? He sucked, but he played.
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by Brandon C. on Oct 11, 2010 10:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I probably would have ranked C.C. behind Cano and Mo, based on his “struggles” the last month or so.
It seemed like guys were getting hits and scoring more off him late in the year.
Still Top 3, though.
I would have put Nova ahead of AJ.
Both Logan and Wood seemed to have played better than where you ranked them. But I don’t know who you could knock down in order to rank those 2 higher.
Overall, I like your rankings. Personally, I would switch a couple of them around but none of the ratings are so out of whack for me to dispute them too awful much.
Good job…
I had to stop arguing with drunks, Steeler fans, and all other fools.
It was making my brick wall jealous...
Nova ahead of AJ?
I’m pretty sure AJ did a hell of a lot more to help the Yankees win than Nova did. He had a bad year, but remember he was the Yankees best pitcher the first two months of the season, and had an outstanding July. He had a few bad months too, but to put Nova, somebody who made under 10 starts for the Yankees, ahead of AJ Burnett doesn’t make sense to me.
I hate all Boston sports teams
For Wood and Logan they both played limited amount of games, which hurts their value for the entire season.
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by Brandon C. on Oct 11, 2010 10:20 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Mo had a stellar year
But he only pitched 60 innings, high-leverage or otherwise. I move him down, and move up Gardner.
"Game's the same, just got more fierce." ~ Slim Charles
Fair point, but would you want Joba closing? I’d rather see no Gardner than no Mo.
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by Brandon C. on Oct 11, 2010 10:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hughes had a good year
but he got most of his wins because we scored him runs. AROD and Tex belong above Hughes.
Here’s how I looked at it: without Hughes the Yankees rotation is awful. Without Rodriguez or Tex, the lineup is worse, but not awful.
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by Brandon C. on Oct 11, 2010 10:18 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
fair statement
but… if you look at Hughes wins in 2010, he rarely won a game that he wasn’t given a ton of run support. If Hughes didn’t get some runs in the first 3 innings I feel like he loses confidence and really pitches to the score board. I am sure that any pitcher is better with a 3-0 lead but if you look at the game log Hughes really relied on the Yankees offense to get him an early cushion in most of his wins.
Lets hope hughes can develop into a guy that can win a 1-0 game.
I don’t think Hughes should be punished for having great run support.
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im not punishing him lol
im just saying out of all the pitchers… if he doesn’t get run support early and often I don’t feel he has the confidence in his pitches and himself to pitch a shutout or 1 run game when we have not scored any runs. Just look at his game log… 90% of his wins go along with a 6 spot from the Yankees.
Better to be lucky than good as they always say?
All seriousness
I’d put Hughes at #9 and bump everyone else up. Pettitte when he was healthy was as good as he was in game 2..and that’s equal caliber to CC…so regardless of injury that means pettitte’s an ace.
Also Jeter should be behind Granderson and even Thames. Grandy at least overcame his struggles and down the stretch was basically the team’s best offensive player as Cano and Swisher struggled. And of course he was a rock in CF. Thames was very clutch the whole year, he’s very streaky.
And I’d probably put Gardner higher. The offense is stagnant when he’s not doing GGBG things.
Gardner, Swisher and Cano to me are the Most valuable hitters on the team. Tex and ARDO reap the benefits not so much cuz of the HRs, but since they hit 3 and 4.
ARD’s my boy but I bet Cano has about 150 RBIs if he’s the #4 hitter the whole year and Swisher matches Tex’s RBI production if he’s hitting #3, at worst.
Winning cures all...even stupid
We can’t assume things with Pettitte, you don’t give value to your team when you are not playing. It’s not projected how well Pettitte would have done, because he didn’t. Therefore, he is punished in overall value to the team by not playing.
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he was better then Hughes when he did play.
you can’t assume that, you know that.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Rankings
I don’t know how much this was factored in but I think having a starter faulter and keep being thrown out there while being “not good” is a big detriment to me. That’s why I’d drop Curtis and also why I’d leave Javy where he is.
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