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Why the Yankees Should NOT Sign Johnny Damon

Johnny Damon made one of the best plays of the postseason last year with his double steal. Damon had a great Yankees career. That career must end. Damon could ruin future flexibility for the Yankees, if the Yankees sign him. Sure, Damon has a great bat, but he also has a terrible arm. Sure Damon can still run, but he is getting old. No matter what the price tag is, no matter how much the fans want him or he wants them, the Yankees should NOT sign Johnny Damon.

Damon would have to play the outfield for almost all of the games during the regular season and hopefully the postseason. Damon would be a liability in the field and an asset with the bat. Which is more important at this point? The liability in the field, and in the Yankees future flexibility.

Look at it this way, if the Yankees sign Damon to a two-year deal, they can move him to DH and not sign Nick Johnson next year, right? Wrong. With Jesus Montero rapidly approaching the MLB, the Yankees may need a Montero-Posada catcher-DH platoon next season. So, Damon can play left-field no problem, correct? Wrong. If the Yankees let Damon, who would most likely get even worse at fielding by that point, play left-field, they would be eliminating any chance of the Yankees signing Jayson Werth, Carl Crawford, or even Brad Hawpe to play left-field in 2011.

If the Yankees sign Damon to a one-year deal, which he would never accept, there is no problem, correct? Wrong once again. The Yankees would be halting the progress of Brett Gardner and even without realizing it, Jesus Montero. Sure, Montero does not play left-field, but lets say Nick Johnson gets injured. Jesus Montero could be called up to be the DH, or the Yankees could go with a fill-in type player. 

Overall, if the Yankees sign Johnny Damon all he could be is a liability. What is the upside of signing Damon? A big bat at every spot in the line-up? Is that really necessary?  The Yankees do not need Johnny Damon and should not sign Johnny Damon. Reed Johnson and Brett Gardner would be a perfect platoon.

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Spot on

No Damon at any price.

The Yankes can afford one weak link in the batting order. Ideally that should not be LF but it is what it is.

Flexibility to groom Montero ( the more I read about his bat the more impressed I am) is key here and a Posada/Montero catcher platoon sounds very worthwhile.

by MSP Giant on Jan 3, 2010 10:09 AM EST reply actions  

Good points,

but I’d still get Damon if the price were right. Halting Montero’s progress is hardly a concern in 2010. He should get a full season of catching at AAA. Calling him up to take over DH for an injured Johnson isn’t likely. Miranda will get that call.

And whatever I’ve said about Gardner, he does not compare to a cost-effective Damon. He would still get a decent amount of ABs even if Damon were sharing LF with him. For the A games, you’ve Damon and Johnson’s bats in the lineup, with Gardner coming in in the later innings. For the B games, you’ve got Damon to PH for Gardner in high-leverage situations.

Basically, you’ve upgraded Hoffman with Gardner and Gardner with Damon. So the odd man out is Hoffman.

If the Yanks can get Damon for the right price, they should.

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by LateInningRelief on Jan 3, 2010 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

Damon

Would never, never platoon.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Damon doesn't have to play every day

He played 143 games last year. He could cut it down to 130 this year and it would make him a better player in the games he did play. Same thing with Nick Johnson, who is more than likely to have at least one unplanned absence would probably benefit from days off also just like Matsui did last year. If Damon’s willing to accept a 1-year or inexpensive 2-year deal all it does is give the Yankees more depth. It makes them more flexible, not less flexible. Gardner becomes the 4th outfielder, which is basically the role he was in last year, and he managed to get 284 PA’s. He’s not a good enough player to make decisions about your roster based on “slowing his progress.” He’s a 26 year old without a shred of power. What’s he progressing into exactly?

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 3, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Damon

would split time btwn LF, DH & PH. He’d get plenty of ABs.

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by LateInningRelief on Jan 3, 2010 2:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

PH

PH he wouldn’t want to do, and he basically sucks at it, too. I still don’t agree with the fact that the Yankees would take time away from him/Nick Johnson

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Say

you start Damon 100 games in left and 40 games as DH. Gardy starts ~ 60 games at LF, 10 at RF and 10 at CF, plus relieves Damon in late innings. He’ll get the ABs to show what he can do.

 Johnson can spell Tex at 1B every now and then.

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by LateInningRelief on Jan 3, 2010 3:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Gardner

Isn’t a right fielder but I get the point if the Yankees seriously considered that I wouldn’t be totally against it but we will see I only take Damon back on a 1 year deal

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

No way to re-sign Damon. He can’t field to save himself and has a terrible arm. It would be a waste of money.

by slantman on Jan 5, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

I dunno, a 2 year $5 contract would be awfully tempting

lol, but I agree, we don’t really need hiim but if he’s cheap we should

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by Edgware on Jan 3, 2010 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

He won't be cheap

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

CHEAP??

There is no way that Damon signs a cheap contract. We all know who his agent is and its Scott Boras. He holds out and gets his clients a ton of money. There is no way the yankees or anybody can sign him for cheap

by Asmjeter on Jan 3, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Damon's contract

I’m sure Damon wouldn’t LIKE to sign a discounted contract, but he may not have a choice. There are a few teams who could use him (Atlanta for LF, the White Sox or Rangers to DH) but I haven’t heard of anyone being hot on his trail. Originally I thought he’d get Bobby Abreu money (2/19) but I don’t know where that’s coming from anymore. He might not even get anyone else to match the Yankees original 2/14 offer which is probably off the table now.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 3, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

I have a hard time believing that Damon would be a “liability”, and “hurt the Yankees flexibility” if he resigned.

Firstly, you seem to think that Jesus Montero could be ready to go next year, and maybe even THIS year, and should be starting in the majors by next year. I disagree with that. He is only 20 years old, and there is no need to rush his development. We all know he can hit. Thats not only what the Yankees want him to do. They want him to catch. He needs to get better at catching. It’s not gonna happen in one year at AAA. It would probably take two years at least, to get him to be a respectable, average catcher. Bringing him up to DH, at only 21 years old next year? I would think that bringing Montero up to the majors early would hurt his development, rather than keeping him down for an extra year when he’s still really young. Signing Damon for a 2 year deal, where he could DH the second year? I don’t find a problem with that.

And you seem so sure that Damon will not accept a one year contract, but I disagree with that one too. Remember Abreu last year? He was looking for 16 million a year for around 3 years. He got 1 year, 5 million. Damon is running out of teams interested, and he is running out of time. He HAS to lower his price, and possibly his years too. Do not be surprised if he accepts a one year deal somewhere. And if he does? Well then, I’m good with it. You think Damon playing LF will halt the development of Brett Gardner? Gardner, in my mind, is what he is. He’s 27 years old. He’s not going to get much better. He is what he is. Excellent defender. Great speed. Perfect fourth outfielder off of the bench. But you can’t steal first base. And that could be a problem if he starts every day.

There are a lot of upsides to bringing Damon back. He is a perfect two hole hitter behind Derek Jeter. He has a tailor made swing for Yankee Stadium. He’s clutch. He is NY proven. He’s playoff proven. He’s a fan favorite. He deepens the lineup. And the Yankees will be a better team in 2010 if Johnny Damon is in the lineup every day.

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 3, 2010 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

Finally, a little sanity on this subject

Thank you nyyrocks29. I agree with all that you have written. Two more points: Jesus Montero may not be with the Yankees very long – look at how the Yanks have rid themselves of their top minor league talent, and he is probably the next to go. Second, what if one of the 3 current outfielders (I don’t count Hoffman, since he’s been in the majors for only 20 games or so) gets hurt?

by cph on Jan 3, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I sure hope Montero isn't traded

He’s going to be pretty good. I don’t want to see his bat somewhere else in 3-4 years.

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 3, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope you're right, but after observing the Yankees return to

their past MO of dealing the kids, I fear that he will be gone as well. The Yankees front office suffers perpetually from the “grass is greener” syndrome. Their own players, including their own prospects, never seem to be as good in their minds as someone else’s.

by cph on Jan 3, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't exactly say the Yankees have

resumed their prospect trading ways. Before, we were trading prospects for OLD, on-the-decline veterans, and that turned out to hurt us.

I, for one, think trading A-Jax for Granderson was an astute move, seeing as we are trading potential for a sure thing. We are trading A-Jax’s potential to be Granderson, for the real Granderson, a point we have debated ad-nauseam.

The other move was the trading for Javy Vasquez. While certainly, the prospect was extremely talented, he would be helping the Yankees perhaps in 2012, 2013. That’s a long long time away, while Javy certainly allows us to have a rotation that is deep, consistent, and protection from if Hughes/Joba doesn’t pan out as we hope.

As for the “grass-is-greener” point, it seems like we over-value our own prospects rather than the other way around. How often do you hear from other (non-Yankee) sources, that our prospects just don’t match the hype we place on them? Rather, it’s the extreme demand placed on the front-office to be competitive and to win the World Series every single year, that has forced the need to trade prospects for major league ready players.

If we can hold off on Montero for Halladay, I’m sure he is held in high-regards by the front office, and we probably won’t see him traded any time soon, certainly not with the upcoming free agency class.

by Vancouverguy on Jan 3, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point with Halladay/Montero

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope Montero

becomes what we all envision him to become. I agree with you NYY about Damon. Having him on the Yankees in no way hurts this team. I do not get the defensive liability argument either. Did his defensive liability in any way stop this team from winning the World Series this year? no it did not.

I also do not see Montero an everyday player for the Yankees at least for the next few years, definitely not this year, next year an injury/september call up, and 2012 he probably gets his real shot at being on this club most likely competing for the catchers job.

We will see.

by BigDanz2000 on Jan 3, 2010 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Reed Johnson

I said they should sign Reed Johnson

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Melky isn't dead

lol as much as I miss Melky too hes gone. Johnson is perfect at what the Yankees need. A compliment hitter of Gardner. Gardner hits righties, Johnson hits lefties.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Can we please see why Jamie Hoffmann

was the first overall pick of the Rule 5 Draft?

Obviously they think he can do something.

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by Lord Duggan on Jan 3, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

It will be too late

If they use that approach all other options will be gone besides Colin Curtis who is not MLB ready. I’d love to see what Hoffmann has, but is it worth the risk?

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

So they sign your boy Reed Johnson

or some other cheap reclamation project, and let them battle with Hoffmann in Spring Training. That’s more than enough options.

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by Lord Duggan on Jan 3, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I'm saying except

Reed Johnson will probably be signed by another team by spring training so sign him now. You don’t have to get rid of Hoffmann if you get Johnson

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I feel like we're saying almost the same thing

No Damon
Get Someone Cheap
See what Hoffmann can do

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by Lord Duggan on Jan 3, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Nady instead of Johnson

Nady on a “show me”one year low base, incentivized contract makes more sense to me.

Reed Johnson is not the answer.

by YANKEES FOREVER on Jan 5, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Damon

I disagree completely that he would take a small one year contract. Once Holliday is off the market Damon becomes the best option. Abreu was not the best option. Damon is represented by Scott Boras. Gardner, 26, was perfectly fine as a center-fielder last year and he did fine by my standards. His job is just to field well and not mess things up. As Chad Jennings pointed out if Granderson was the left fielder and Gardner center fielder we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

Damon will not sign for a one year 5 mil deal. Period. I would bet a ton of money on that. One year 8 mil? Maybe. Two years 12 mil? Maybe. I doubt that also.

Also, heres a few stats to observe.

Brett Gardner with RISP: .295
Johnny Damon with RISP: .299

With Runners on?

Brett Gardner .323
Johnny Damon .276

Most of Brett Gardners struggles come with nobody on. With nobody on he hits .235

For someone else who mentioned Damon could be a good late game pinch-hitter he hit in his career .176/.267/.255

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

here's another stat for you.

Damon’s slugging in 2009: .489
Gardner’s slugging in 2009: .379

A .110 point difference

And just for measures, in 2008
Damon’s slugging: .461
Gardner’s slugging: .299

That’s a .162 point difference

I agree with nyyrocks. Gardner is what he is, a 4th outfielder and great pinch running option off the bench. He isnt a starting outfielder.

by Frank Campagnola on Jan 3, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Gardner

Wasn’t ready in 08 while Damon was the great player that he always was. In no way am I trying to make the point that Gardner is equal or better than Damon. I am just stating that the Yankees do not need Johnny Damon and can survive with Gardner/Reed Johnson/Jamie Hoffmann as their #9 hitter. I know it’s awesome to say every spot in the lineup can be filled with an all star because the Yankees have all the money in the world, but if they really are being serious with this whole budget situation they should save the money for something they actually need.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Joe Girardi seems to think differently as he named him the starting CF

out pf Spring Training last year. But what does he know?

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Jan 3, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

While he decided out of spring training that the starters would be GGBG and Nady

Swish and Melky ended up getting the lion’s share of the playing time.

It doesn’t really matter who starts out of spring training as long as the best players end up logging most of the innings. Once the season started, Nady got hurt and Melky was raking off the bench.

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by Lord Duggan on Jan 3, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That wasn't 08

Last year was 09

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Gardner remains a work

in process. Until he plateaus, like Johnson, Nady or DeJesus, you’ve to assume growth.

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by LateInningRelief on Jan 3, 2010 2:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Gotta agree with Frankie Camp above me

Gardner accrued that .295 RISP in 61 ABs and the .323 w/ someone OB in 99 ABs

Damon’s numbers were done with 154 and 283 ABs respectively.

Small sample size, Gardner’s stats are inflated. There’s just no way that Gardner is a superior hitter to Damon and he doesn’t magically get more talented when there’s a dude standing on 2nd base.

Gardner IS a 4th outfielder. That can be very useful to the Yankees and I think Joe G can make him a team asset. But he would get exposed playing everyday.

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by Lord Duggan on Jan 3, 2010 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Some guys do

magically get more talented when there’s a dude standing on 2nd base. (And to be more accurate, it’s a guy on 2nd and/or 3rd = RISP.)

For one thing, some guys get more locked-in, or focus better, or whatever, with RISP than they do with bases empty.

RISP can also pull fielders out of position to let balls go through that normally would have been fielded cleanly.

The pitcher also may not throw his best stuff if there’s a guy on 3rd… for example, he won’t throw that filthy slider, and instead throws the fastball… and if you’re good at hitting the fastball but bad at hitting the slider, your numbers just got better.

by pinstriper on Jan 4, 2010 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Abreu took a small, one year contract

and he is equal to, or maybe even better than, Johnny Damon is. I realize that Boras is Damon’s agent. But again, Damon is running out of time, and teams interested. He has to sign somewhere. If other teams are smart, they will realize this. Damon has very little leverage now, and will have less and less the closer we get to ST and he’s still unemployed. Do I think he will sign that low a deal? Probably not. But there is definitely a chance.

As for the numbers, Gardner’s sample size is MUCH too small to be comparing to Johnny Damon. Damon had a full season last year. Gardner was a 4th outfielder for almost the entire season and was injured for part of it. It’s not a big sample size. And, like Frankie Camp said, Gardner’s slugging is awful, he has no power at ALL, and he isn’t getting any.

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 3, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You don't need power to be an MLB player

See Michael Bourn

Your statement works both ways. You can’t judge Gardner yet

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

There is a reason

that Gardner’s sample size is very small. There is a reason that he didn’t even get to the major leagues until he was 25 years old. And there is a reason that he lost his job last year. He’s not a very good hitter. If the Yankees honestly thought that he was going to be a capable starting outfielder, then he never would have lost his job last year, and he wouldn’t have taken so long to get to the majors in the first place.

Gardner has excellent speed, and is a great defender. But the guy can’t hit. There are three types of hitters in baseball. Power hitters (A-Rod, Pujols), guys who get on base (Ichiro, Jeter), and then people in between (Cano, Damon, DeRosa). Gardner doesn’t fit any of those categories. He has no pop, he has a low OBP even in the small sample size he has. You can’t steal first base. I don’t think Gardner is a starting outfielder.

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 3, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Gardner

Gardner OBP: .345
Melky .336

In 2007, he was the 12th-best prospect in the Yankees minor league system according to Baseball America.

Gardner headed into 2008, according to Baseball America, as the Yankee’s fastest minor league runner and the one with the best plate discipline.

These things don’t just dissapear

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Melky's OBP isn't too great either

but at least he showed the ability to hit for a decent average last year in a full season, and has OK power. Plus, he’s a switch hitter, and thats a plus. Melky is an average player at best. I don’t think he’s all that good and I supported the trade for Vasquez completely. But I would rather have Melky starting than Gardner.

I know Gardner is fast. It’s no surprise that he’s the fastest guy in the minors, and probably on the team. And, I’m not calling for Gardner to be off the team. He should be one of the top prospects in the minors if he gets to the majors. Gardner should be very valuable to the Yankees in 2010. But, I don’t think he’s a starter.

I have a feeling we’re never gonna agree on this. lol

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 3, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, never

I would rather have Melky starting over Gardner also. Melky hit .276 Gardner hit .272 btw.

I’m not saying Gardner is great, I am saying he is a good enough 3rd outfielder on a team like the Yankees. You don’t need a solid power hitter at every spot in the lineup.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

These excuses

for Gardner are getting old. The guy doesn’t belong on a MLB roster. Period. This is becoming a joke.

by david d on Jan 3, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

If you backed that up we would agree but saying he doesn’t belong on a roster thats just plain stupidity the guy is one of the fastest players in the league, at least admit he can be a 4th outfielder

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Melky

was much better than the “average” CF.
Melky- .274, League Avg- .266
      HR – 13, 8
     RBI – 68, 34
      SB- 10, 12

by david d on Jan 3, 2010 4:22 PM EST up reply actions  

wow

if thats true, then most teams must not have had a very good CF then.

On Gardner, I don’t think that he should be starting, but your pushing it, saying that he shouldn’t even be on the roster. The guy can run, and play excellent defense. He’s good for a fourth OF.

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 3, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

with every statement you’ve posted on this topic, nyyrocks29. You and I are on the same page. Ok, he’s good enough to be a PR, I’ll gaive you that, I’ve even said that’s all he’ll ever be good for.

by david d on Jan 3, 2010 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

So do you think

The same about Mike Bourn?

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Averages for CF

with min 502 PA

Melky ranks 13th in AVG,
15th in HR, avg 16.2
t-13th in RBI, avg 66.9
t-16 in SB, avg 20.4

I love Melky, but he’s a league average player. In a centerfielder, that’s not a bad thing, especially while he was cheap.

But Gardner is as good or better than Melky. On base percentage is what matters- the rate at which a player avoids making outs.

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by jscape2000 on Jan 3, 2010 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with mostly everything you said

Except about Montero. This will be his 20 year old season. He’s flown through the system and showed improved defense at the AA level.

Jeter was 21 when he earned his spot as the starting shortstop. Did that hurt his development? He won ROY. Scouts are comparing Montero to Manny and Miggy Cabrera. Bats like that only come around a few times in a generation.

Here’s the main thing. If he is READY to come up, there should be no reason it would hurt his development. Guys who spend 2 years at least in AAA do not belong in the bigs, especially highly touted prospects like this. He’s already got some time at AA. He probably start the year there and move up to AAA sometime in late May or June. He’ll play in AAA and maybe earn a Sept call up. In 2011 he might be able to platoon with Posada.

If he’s ready theres no reason they can’t follow something like that. If the Yanks don’t think he’s ready then he won’t come up

by Frank Campagnola on Jan 3, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

It's already been anounced that Jesus will start in AAA this year

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by Lord Duggan on Jan 3, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay

Then its even more likely he’ll be up this year for a Sept call up. And even more likely he’ll be able to platoon with Posada in 2011.

that kind of bolsters my argument for Montero, so thank you lol

by Frank Campagnola on Jan 3, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I agreed with your argument

I’d love to see Montero get some low-leverage ABs at the MLB level at the end of the year if he’s still pounding the ball like he was this year.

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by Lord Duggan on Jan 3, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

definitely

I wanna see what this kid can do

by Frank Campagnola on Jan 3, 2010 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not concerned about Montero's bat

it’s more his glove I worry about. Montero can come up and probably have a successful season, hittingwise, right now. But the Yankees look at him to be a catcher. If he has to platoon with Posada, or be a DH, in 2010 or 2011, that may slow his development, not with the bat, but with his glove, simply because he’s not catching enough games. If he was able to work on his catching abilities for 2 years in AAA, where he would be the starting catcher all the time, that would make him better as a catcher in 2012, where he would take over for Posada after Posada leaves.

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 3, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

he can spend a full year at AAA this year,

come up for a Sept call up and get a taste of the bigs. Come 2011, if the yanks think he’s ready, he can platoon the DH/C role with Posada, and Montero learn with him on the job. I think that would be better for his development than spending an extra year in AAA. If he’s gonna come up, why not learn from a ML catcher and ML coaches?

by Frank Campagnola on Jan 3, 2010 2:46 PM EST up reply actions  

New to PA

I still don’t know what +1 means even though I’ve written here since the 21st, lol. Care to explain?

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

If you see something that you like or agree with

you can reply +1 to show your support of it.

If you don’t like it/disagree, you can reply with a -1.

You can also increase the number if you feel more strongly.

For example……

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by Lord Duggan on Jan 3, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

+10000

that was a wonderful explanation of the +/- system!

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by Lord Duggan on Jan 3, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

Got it

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

OHHH

Makes sense

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

THANKS FOR THE MEMORIES JOHNNY

It time to move on without Johnny… his defense is a liability and Johnson is our #2 hole stick.

Only two options make sense if Werth & Crawford targeted for 2011. Sign Nady,if healthy, or trade for DeJesus . Garde/Hoffman platoon not good enough to help achieve #28 in 2010

by YANKEES FOREVER on Jan 3, 2010 11:24 AM EST reply actions  

First of all, DeJesus is good, but not great

And second of all, are you prepared to lose an everyday player and/or top prospect to get him? Because that’s what it will take. I love all of these “trade for X” comments, as if the Yankees can get a replacement LF for a bag of balls and bats. Not gonna happen that way.

by cph on Jan 3, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Garde

Why do you call him that? Just wondering….

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

GARDE

Giradi calls Gardner “Garde”… must be a team nickname.

Nady, if healthy, best option for LF

DeJesus minus Garde + prospect next best option

Garde & Reed Johnson… worst option… both are just subs

by YANKEES FOREVER on Jan 3, 2010 2:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Gardy*

You are spelling it wrong, lol

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Teams do not need all stars at every position

I get that everyone likes to, but why spend the money on someone that really isn’t a necessity? Sure, having Damon isn’t a bad thing, but do the Yankees really need him? No.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:10 PM EST reply actions  

Damon

isn’t a star. he’s trying to get star money but thats not happening. If he was a star he wouldn’t have trouble finding a team.

Damon is a great piece to the puzzle, especially for the Yankees since he fits so well into the lineup and with the right field porch.

by Frank Campagnola on Jan 3, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Jason Bay

had trouble finding a team that would fit his contract demands. With these economic conditions anyone could have trouble finding a team.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

In case you didn't notice

Bay got 4 years and 66 million with an option for a 5th year that could make it 80 million.

Damon originally wanted at least 3 years 39 mill. He’ll be extremely lucky to get a 2 year 15 million contract.

by Frank Campagnola on Jan 3, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Bay didn't want to be a Met

It’s well known. He accepted the offer because the Yankees wouldn’t give him an offer and the Red Sox signed Cameron.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Damon will get 2/16 from someone

and that someone shouldn’t be the Yankees.

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by Lord Duggan on Jan 3, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

I dont think the Yanks should give him 2 years. If he’ll take it, a one year deal would be great for the Yanks.

The point I made about the money was that Bay got his. He’s an all star. Damon won’t get his 3/39.

by Frank Campagnola on Jan 3, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree, but..

if the Yankees can get Damon at a price they can live with for a year or two, they should. Do they absolutely need him? no. Would it be nice to have him? yes. As others have said, if an OF gets hurt, its nice to have options. I completely agree that we do not need an all star at every position, but we do need someone reliable who can get the job done. Plus no matter what anyone says, in my mind Gardner is a 4th OF. He is useful for pinch running, late inning defense, and an occasional start. With the Yankees line up though, it might not matter. Everyone else can probably make up for the difference. We will see what happens.

by oywiththepoodlesalready on Jan 3, 2010 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

New comment

It is obvious to me that you cannot get what I am saying. Let me repeat myself in a less crowded post. Brett Gardner is not, never will be, never has been better than Johnny Damon. The Yankees simply do not need Johnny Damon. I’d love having Damon as much as the rest of you, but as a DH or at most a one-year left fielder. He will not have the opportunity to be either of those things given the Yankees current roster and his contract demands. He can lower his contract demands, but I don’t see that happening. If he lowers them? Great.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:26 PM EST reply actions  

Not saying

Gardner is that much better than a 4th outfielder, but do the Yankees really need a player that is much better than a 4th outfielder? Its the #9 hitter. All they need is someone to stand out in left-field make some plays steal a few bases and not ruin things for the rest of the lineup

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree that they don't need Damon

I disagree that Gardner is a serviceable MLB starter. I know that you don’t need an all-star at every position, but I don’t think there is any reason to have Gardner swallow up a lineup spot when there are better options.

I confess myself to be very curious about Jamie Hoffmann.

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by Lord Duggan on Jan 3, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Understandable

As long as you see my point

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Your point is seen

and if they throw money at a 36 year old with a female arm and declining skills, they WILL regret it.

Thanks for the memories Johnny, I hope your plan of plundering another MLB team goes excellently.

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by Lord Duggan on Jan 3, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I know what you're saying

But the Yanks are a better team with Damon.

Also, has Gardner ever played left? Whenever he came in, Melky switched over and Gardner went into Center.

by Frank Campagnola on Jan 3, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

In 08 he logged 145 innings in LF with 15 starts

with a 1.000 fielding percentage. I know that’s a tiny sample size, but if you can play center you can play left.

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by Lord Duggan on Jan 3, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions  

For the billionth time

I agree the Yankees are a better team with Damon. Everyone knows that. They still shouldn’t sign him.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Why?

Why shouldn’t the Yankees sign him?? I dont agree or disagree on the situation but im curious as to why you feel we shouldn’t sign him.

by Asmjeter on Jan 3, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Not necessary

Why is it necessary for the Yankees to spend every dollar they have? The Yankees do not need Johnny Damon.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course they don't need him

but, like you (and everyone else) said, they are a better team with Damon. If they can do it, then why not put the best team they can possibly have on the field. With or without Damon, the Yankees can win a championship. But with Damon, they have a better shot at it. Why not give yourself the better shot?

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 3, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Because while the best 2010 Yankees have Johnny Damon

the best 2011 Yankees and further down the line are worse if we pay Damon.

The next free agent class should be better than this one. It doesn’t make sense to financially handicap ourselves for the short-term improvement that is Johnny Damon.

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by Lord Duggan on Jan 3, 2010 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with that

but like I said above, Damon is running out of time, and teams. He needs to lower his price. If they can get him cheap, then I see no reason for the Yankees not to pounce. If they get him for one year, cheap, then he won’t financially hurt the Yankees. If they get him for 2 years, cheap, then he may cost a little, but, at the same time, remember, they are the New York Yankees. If he’s signed to 2 years, he could DH the second year and still be able to sign a top LF like Crawford.

I agree that they shouldn’t go 2 years, 20 million for Damon anymore, because that WOULD handicap them. But for a cheap deal? Maybe he even knocks a year off? I’d go for it.

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 3, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

AGREE DAMON NOT NEEDED

GARDE/HOFFMAN IS NOT THE ANSWER EITHER

X-MAN OR DEJESUS WOULD BE THE REAL DEAL

by YANKEES FOREVER on Jan 3, 2010 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

I can agree with that statement. Because next year is when Mr Joe Mauer has the possibility of becoming a free agent if the Twins dont give him an extension. He will cost a ton of money for whoever wants to sign him. We have Montero who has been working on his catching but having Mauer would be unbelievable

by Asmjeter on Jan 3, 2010 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

GARDE

What if he hits below the “Mendosa” line against lefties?

by YANKEES FOREVER on Jan 3, 2010 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

There is a price at which Johnny Damon is worth signing. Nick Johnson is not going to play every day, Johnny Damon is not going to play every day, Brett Gardner is not going to play every day, and someone will get hurt.
Certain parks (Fenway, Camden Yards, etc) have small enough LFs that Damon would not be as much of a liability in the field.

However, I see no indication that Damon’s price will drop to the point that he is worth signing.

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by jscape2000 on Jan 3, 2010 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

My first +1

+1

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you!

Once again, great to have a voice of reason. It all comes down to the economics, and unless Damon’s price drops through the floor, we probably couldn’t fit him into the team, in a way conducive to the Yankee’s plans in 2010, 2011 AND beyond.

I agree, to a large extent to Brandon’s arguments made above, except for the perceived short-comings of signing Damon to a 1 year contract, (not that signing Damon to a 1-year contract is a reasonable assumption. )

by Vancouverguy on Jan 3, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions  

100% agree with having future flexibility

I’ve said all along even before this past postseason had begun that neither Damon nor Matsui should be retained.

It all comes down to money. It’s also in the best interest of Damon’s career to not resign with Yankees. If he takes a discounted one-yr. deal and plays a definite platoon role on the NYY, the chances of Damon landing a starting job in 2011 with another club will be virtually nil. As of right now, Damon can still questionably fill a full-time LF job for another team. That’s how he sees himself. He’s a winner, a veteran, a good leader, and still carries a capable bat. There are teams out there will still over-pay for those “past” qualities and offer a multi-year deal. Those same qualities serve very little value to the Yankees currently since there are plenty guys on the team that offer the same.

by Scooby Snacks on Jan 3, 2010 1:48 PM EST reply actions  

2011 OUTFIELD

IF 2011 OUTFIELD PROJECTS TO BE CRAWFORD, GRANDERSON AND WERTH WE NEED A ONE YEAR RENTAL FOR 2010.

      NADY OR DEJESUS ANYONE????

by YANKEES FOREVER on Jan 3, 2010 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

No

The 2011 outfield does not project to be that.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

2011 OUTFIELD

Brandon, what do you think the 2011 outfield will look like???

by YANKEES FOREVER on Jan 3, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

2011?

Uhhh

LF- Crawford/Werth
CF- Granderson
RF- Swisher (still under contract)
4th OF- Gardner

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

No

I’m pretty sure Swisher is signed until the end of 2011, and I don’t think they’ll get both Crawford and Werth.

Turn off the caps.

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 3, 2010 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

2011 Outfield

If we had a chance to get both Crawford and Werth, Swishalicious would be gone in the 2010 offseason.

by YANKEES FOREVER on Jan 3, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

They'd want a big pitcher too

like Lee (preferably Lee). That would be 3 big players to sign. Plus resigning Rivera and Jeter- that is a LOT of money to spend. I think they will get one of the big pitchers, and maybe Crawford as well, but to get 3 huge players is pushing it. It won’t be like the 2008 offseason where they had 80 million coming off the books and could do that.

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 3, 2010 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take Werth.

I’d stay away from Crawford.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 3, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Not 8 million

Most i give is 6 the “budget” would only allow 5, I believe, might be wrong.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I just think it's bullshit that Cashman feels the need to penny pinch at this point.

We just won a world series, we’ve wasted TONS of money on unproven garbage over the years like KEI IGAWA, and here is a proven commodity in Johnny Damon who would significantly upgrade our LF situation and NOW he’s going to get cheap?

I’m not saying we should break the bank on Damon but if Cashman was willing to pay Damon 14 million over 2 years why not give the guy an 8 million/1 year deal.

Let’s be real here.

by Stephen K on Jan 3, 2010 2:56 PM EST reply actions  

Going by the "budget"

Is his theory.

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Kei Igawa is REALLY bugging me right now. How much are they paying him next year? 6-8 million? Around there? That would probably be enough to resign Damon, or get other players that could actually HELP the Yankees. And I don’t mean the SWB Yankees, for which Igawa is the all time leader in wins. Wonder if he’ll get a plaque down there?

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 3, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

DAMON

WE ARE ALL TIRED OF SEEING JOHNNY’S DECLINING DEFENSIVE SKILLS AND WEAK ARM.

IT DID NOT COST US IN 2009 BUT MAY IN 2010.

PITCHING & DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS

WE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH OFFENSE WITHOUT JD

by YANKEES FOREVER on Jan 3, 2010 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

no need for THE CAPS

i believe we all prefer undercase writing.

bringing Damon back on a 1-year deal isn’t a bad idea. two years is one too many.

Damon will certainly hit more than Gardy, but Gardy will play significantly better D than Damon.

2009 WAR:
Damon 3.0 (626 PA)
Gardy 2.1 (284 PA)

extrapolating Gardy’s WAR to 600 PA equates to 4.6. Damon is in his decline phase. Gardy should improve.

by Travis G on Jan 3, 2010 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

that is ridiculous

we would not be holding brett gardner back by signing johnny damon. gardner has no future as an everyday outfielder. his future with the yankees is as a late inning pinch runner, so we would be stunting his growth in that area if we didnt sign damon. but if we can get damon at the right price which i think is for 14 million for 2 years, why would we not get a guy that owns the right field porch…we arent going to not sign crawford because we have damon inked for one year at 7 million, that wont stop us…and what if nick johnson doesnt perform or once again gets injured, we wont have anyone to fill that void and then what will we think of having NO NEED for a guy that we may not have won the WS without?

by cermolaNY2 on Jan 3, 2010 4:09 PM EST reply actions  

Damon

As of now a one year deal is out of the equation. If he lowers his demands, maybe. Every contract you give damon equals less money from the “budget” Two year deal would be terrible for the Yankees for the reasons listed above

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Buh Bye Damon....

Let’s get younger…..

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by NYYWinsRings27 on Jan 3, 2010 4:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Tell me why we're wasting money on Mitre again too?

can anybody tell me?

Gaudin is enough insurance for us.

We don’t need Mitre, he’s horrifically bad, and I believe he’s making over a million this year because of arbitration.

by Stephen K on Jan 3, 2010 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

I really don't know

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

or Igawa?

who is making MORE than Mitre, and is actually WORSE than Mitre.

by nyyrocks29 on Jan 3, 2010 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Mitre and Gaudin

Agreed, Mitre is an absolute waste of 1.5 mil. Anyone from AAA could come up and be just as horrendous as him for league minimum. As for Gaudin, he’s nice to have as a swing man, but I was surprised the Yankees offered him arbitration knowing he’ll get 3-4 mil. That’s around 5 mil being spent on 2 pitchers who hopefully will never pitch.

With Mitre it feels like a case where someone in the Yankee organization “saw something” in him and the team is refusing to accept that that “something” just isn’t there. It’s not a matter of him fully recovering from his surgery as they like to say. He was a joke for the Cubs and Marlins before that.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 3, 2010 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

2010...Damon Out... DeJesus In

Trade Hoffmann ,Mitre and A ball prospect for DeJesus… Great OF Defense

by YANKEES FOREVER on Jan 3, 2010 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

The Royals

Wouldn’t do the trade you mentioned above

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Just goes to show you that even though Cashman has a budget, he's willing to waste $5 million

on two AAAA starters.

But he’ll pinch pennies when it comes to our LF/DH situation.

I like Nick Johnson but there is no question that Matsui should’ve been resigned this season if he were willing to take a 1 year deal at $6 million.

Matsui > Johnson anyway you slice it.

Same thing goes for Damon if he takes a 1 year deal (between 5-8 million) elsewhere.

by Stephen K on Jan 3, 2010 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

Matsui wants to play the field.

The Angels said they probably will.

Nick Johnson was a fall back.

The Yankees didn’t want Matsui to play the field (and rightfully so).

The idea that Matsui>Johnson and they signed for similar contracts..is irrelevant. The Yankees didn’t have the same opportunity to sign Matsui to that sort of contract and guarantee him playing time in LF.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 3, 2010 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Matsui/Johnson

I have a hard time believing Matsui would leave the organization he’s been with his entire major league career over the 20 or 30 games he’s going to get to play in LF for the Angels. I think Cashman chose Johnson because he felt he was actually less likely to get hurt than Matsui and because he fills the #2 spot in the lineup if Damon isn’t back. I don’t agree with this decision, but I think the decision was Cashman’s not Matsui’s.

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jan 3, 2010 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

And before someone comes along and says, "Oh but Matsui wouldn't have taken that deal in NY"

Of course he would have.

You honestly think that Arn Tellem didn’t tell Cashman what Matsui’s other offers were?

That’s completely ludicrous.

by Stephen K on Jan 3, 2010 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed

The only worry I can think of is maybe the Angels were willing to tell Matsui that he can play the field once in a while and the Yankees wouldn’t agree to that

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by Brandon C. on Jan 3, 2010 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

matsui

i really think the yankees missed on…i dont think matsui neccessarily got the love from the yankees he was looking for early on in the free agent process cause they were too busy playing there games….there is NOOOO way the yankees dont accept that 1 year 6.5 million dollar deal for matsui….there is really 0 risk longterm and very little risk in this one year deal(if n. johnson isnt a risk then matsui isnt) matsui just really never came back to let the yankees make a counter offer i dont think

by cermolaNY2 on Jan 3, 2010 11:59 PM EST reply actions  

Gardner's career ops is .677

Isn’t that reason enough to bring in an outfielder whom we know can hit? If Damon can be gotten short term and cheap, do it. I think the notion that this would stand in the way of anyone else (Monteiro) is extraordinarily farfetched. Someone always gets hurt, traded, etc and room can always be made for another player. Besides, if Monteiro is that close as a catcher, wouldn’t it make more sense to trade Cervelli, who has value, and sign whichever Molina it was that we had for one more year?

If Vasquez pitches the way everyone expects him to, (eats 200+ innings) then they only need 11 pitchers anyway.

by designatedquitter on Jan 4, 2010 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

We all assume

 The yankees just won a 27th title and it seems cashman is trying to reconstruct the team. Much credit to him however, last season he spent almost half a billion dollars on 3 players, and it lead to a world series championship. But it seems to me like he hit a panic button. We lost 3 key players to this franchise. I even include melky for he was a good number 9 or 8 hitter and his fielding was impressive. Melky was slowly developing as a quality clutch hitter, and the fact that he is a switch hitter only enhances that. Now Damon, yes he’s up in age and will slowly break down, but yankee stadium is the perfect field for a player of his caliber. Damon’s deck was becoming a feared area for visiting pitchers and his baserunning continues to be under estimated. In no way will nick johnson replace Johnny, even with his 402 OBP, which he averaged in the NL. The yanks rewarded andy pettitte with a huge salary increase, much deserved, but also a man up in age. I still believe the Yanks have a great chance to repeat, however I don’t see why such a reconstruction was needed. Yet, curtis granderson makes us a better and faster team, which in my opinion has the been the only good move this winter.

@b$

by abs2sweet on Jan 4, 2010 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

these moves

could hardly be classified as ‘reconstruction.’ the Yanks lost 3 players (assuming damon doesn’t come back), three! not 10, not even five.

you think Granderson, NJ and Vazquez were panic movies?! after winning the WS? they make the Yanks younger, which is huge.

Grandy should hit as well as Damon, plays better D, and is younger. NJ had the 3rd highest OBP in MLB last year. hitting #2 will be huge for Tex and Arod. Melky might turn into a nice player, but Javy Vazquez is a 200 ip horse, and considerably more valuable to the 2010 team than Melky, of whom GGBG can replace at least as much production (both at the plate and in the field).

by Travis G on Jan 4, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

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by Brandon C. on Jan 4, 2010 5:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Rediculous Anti-Damon Comments

Sign Damon for 2 years and lets get on with the 3-peat. Damon is a great player, in great shape na dthe perfect teammate in that Yankee clubhouse. He is clutch….

by stinkyknicks on Jan 4, 2010 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

Back it up

No proof

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by Brandon C. on Jan 5, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Damon

is the ideal 2-hole hitter for this lineup. I think we need him back, even if it means all you Gardner lovers will have to see him be nothing but a PR…which is all he should be at this level.

by david d on Jan 5, 2010 5:27 AM EST reply actions  

Wait a year

Even a half a year and I’ll listen to you. Give Gardy a chance

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by Brandon C. on Jan 5, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Gardner = Cody Ransom with a better eye and more speed

That’s about it. Nice as a pinch runner. Bottom of the ninth, man on second, game tied would you REALLY prefer Gardner at the plate over Damon? Hell I would prefer Melky over Gardner.

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jan 7, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions  

True, True

The last thing we need is Damon, what we need is Jermaine Dye

by The Last Shall Become First on Jan 7, 2010 5:04 PM EST reply actions  

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