New York Yankee notes: Randy Winn edition
So now that the Yankees have decided to bring in Randy Winn as part of their outfield and leave Johnny Damon out in the cold what does that mean in terms of the lineup?
On the face of it, you would have to think that Winn will split time with Brett Gardner in left field, play a little right field to rest Nick Swisher and occasionally play some center field. Fan Graphs looks at what kind of production fans can expect from the 35-year-old.
On a different note, MLB.com Giants beat writer Chris Haft gives us a look at what kind of person Winn is.
Winn merits a final salute as he leaves San Francisco. The man was, and is, a complete professional. Winn delivered a consistent effort whether he was thriving or slumping, healthy or in pain. By driving himself to excel in all facets of the game -- he's an excellent baserunner and a polished, underrated outfielder -- Winn separated himself from the sorry plethora of ballplayers who almost seem to refuse to improve themselves.
The Yankees will quickly learn how lucky they are to have Winn in their midst. His professionalism will enhance the Yankees' aura as reigning World Champions. They'll cherish his ability to play all three outfield positions and his other diverse skills. On that club, any offense he provides will be a bonus.
Read Haft's piece. He had a lot of other impressive things to say about Winn. We won't be able to tell how all of General Manager Brian Cashman's moves will pan out until the season starts, but you do have to give Cashman credit for bringing in lots of players this off-season who are quality people. Curtis Granderson, Nick Johnson, Javier Vazquez and now Winn are all guys who should be a credit to the pinstripes with the way they carry themselves.
Of course, we can't get through this notebook without a couple of final Damon notes.
- John Harper of the New York Daily news says Cashman's ego might have prevented a Damon signing.
"First and foremost, it's obvious that Johnny Damon screwed up a good thing here by allowing Scott Boras to antagonize the Yankee front office with his contract demands even after GM Brian Cashman's warnings that he wasn't playing games with the agent.
Damon either let his own ego get in the way of a perfect situation with the Yankees or he paid a price for trusting Boras too much, but in any case he'll miss his old team more than it will miss him.
Still, that doesn't mean the Yankees won this standoff. You can make a case that both sides lost, and, indeed, you have to ask whether Cashman allowed some ego to get involved here as well.
Several baseball people say they believe Cashman became furious with Boras' negotiating tactics, with one person close to the situation saying he once heard the GM screaming at Boras via his cell phone."
- NESN figures that whoever ends up with Damon at this point will be getting one of the biggest bargains of the winter.
- MLB.com ranks Jesus Montero 19th on its top 50 prospects list. MLB.com says "No matter what position he plays, his bat will be special."
- Speaking of the Yankee farm system, I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. AOL Fanhouse ranks the Yankee farm system 15th among big-league teams. ESPN's Keith Law is not as impressed, placing the system 25th. These things are subjective, and as long as a few players come out of the system who wind up helping the Yankees I really don't give a hoot about the rankings.
- Joe Girardi says he is open to the idea of Granderson playing left field.
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Farm Rankings
Over at Minor League Ball, the Yankee’s system ranked 20th. From most ranks that I’ve seen, it looks like they’ll drop to near the bottom once Montero graduates.
Back to Winn, I’m not opposed to the signing but from what I’ve seen I hope he’s going to play the 4th outfielder role instead of the starting/platooning LF role. I have no doubts about his character or his previous level of production, just his current ability to play a significant OF position.
He can still field like a mofo and his struggles last season against righties could be attributed to “bad luck”, if you believe in BABIP. It’s also discussed by RiverAveBlues. I’m not so worried b/c he can still hit righties just fine.
by Scooby Snacks on Jan 28, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
*meant to say struggles against lefties
by Scooby Snacks on Jan 28, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
Winn
I’ve seen his myopic BABIP for last year, so while I realize his number aren’t going to continue that way, he has been a bit worse vs LHP over his career. That coupled with the continuing decline predicted by most everyone (from his averages, not from last year), Gardner is more likely going to be the better hitter next year, even to the point where platooning doesn’t serve much use. And while I agree that Winn is still a great fielder, Gardner is better at that too.
Well that is what the Yankees are doing in hoping for a better year from Gardner as they haven’t cast him as a fourth outfielder. Winn isn’t going to shock the world yet he does provide outfield depth. In the event of a fragile Nick Johnson going down, Winn can spell RF with Swisher, the weakest outfielder of the four, DH’ing.
by Scooby Snacks on Jan 28, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Good point
He does make for great insurance considering that despite all my protests to the contrary, he isn’t much worse than Gardner and would play a better right if he needs to.
Speaking of Johnson
If you add up his injury time by how he got it (Batting/Fielding/General) then take out his season ending injuries, you can see that, in seasons he’s played he misses an average of 30 days for batting/general baseball injuries and has about a 1/7 chance of suffering a batting injury that causes him to miss a full season. It’s fair to say we’ll need an additional player for a sizeable chunk of time this season.
Reed Johnson is also a better defender.
And younger. And a better fit.
I wonder how finances affect him and the Yankees.
by FloridaownsFSU on Jan 28, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Nice to have nice guys
But, needs to be able to hit a little bit (Winn)
And needs to stay off the DL (Johnson)
Nice guys finish last- Leo Durocher
Ok, everyone thinks he’s due to bounce back, I get that. But suppose Randy Winn is going into his declining skill period for hitting? He is 35, and he was never that great a hitter to begin with. His career numbers make him look suspiciously like a 35 year old Melky Cabrera on the precipice of extinction.
If that’s the case, then we just acquired someone with less power (last year) than Brett Gardner, less speed, and probably no better defense. Besides, Curtis Granderson supposedly has enough niceness to cover the entire outfield with goodwill, and Swisher has 100% of your daily RDA of bubbly enthusiasm.
If his hitting skills have gone off the deep end as I fear, then the Yanks have just identified the “replacment player” you read so much about in the WAR stat. That stat will henceforth be known as "Winns Against Randy.
I hope I’m wrong. Tell me I am. Make me feel better. Tell me how this is the most player you can get for $2 million. Anything, please.
by designatedquitter on Jan 28, 2010 10:29 AM EST reply actions
Reed Johnson would have been better
Can hit LHP and platoon with Gardner. Younger, solid D
There had to be better options
With out current payroll, why weaken our team by refusing to pay an additional several million. We we be shopping prospects for a left fielder in July.
Maybe not
If Gardner/Winn dont work, instead of shopping prospects why not bring one up.
Like to see them put Montero in LF in the minors and bring him up if needed
Montero is 20 and is a catcher
they aren’t going to make him switch positions and rush him up for half a season. They plan on having him be a catcher. It doesn’t make sense to pull him from AAA early and switch positions. And, Montero, with his speed and size, in LF at Yankee Stadium? Defensively that could be pretty ugly. No thanks.
I don't know what Winn adds
I am confused as to what Winn really brings to this team. He’s a switch hitter, but only hit something like .160 against LHP last year. He also had like the sixth lowest slugging percentage in the NL. That’s not much of a platoon partner for Gardner or the rest of our left handed outfield.
If we were going to go with a Winn-caliber player, a right handed bat would have been nice. Winn will probably be a defensive upgrade over Swisher in late innings, but what else does he bring?
Montero 19th?
I would have thought he would have been in the top 10 at least.
On Winn, to be completely honest, I hate this move. He’s old. He can’t hit. He has no power. He’s an older, slower version of Brett Gardner. The Yanks didn’t gain anything by adding him. If they had to add an OF that wasn’t Johnny Damon, why not Xavier Nady, who only made 3.3 million with the Cubs? Could they have afforded that? Or Reed Johnson, who kills lefties? Jerry Hairston Jr, who plays a million positions? Jermaine Dye, who is just as old as Winn but at least still has a bat in him? Or just spill out the extra 3 million over the budget and bring back the guy that just singlehandedly won them a World Series game? I think all of those guys would have been better options than Winn. However, whats done is done and all I can do is wait, and hope it works out.
Cashman's ego?
I say good. Every now and then somebody needs to stand up and call Boras on his bullshit. It doesn’t happen often enough.
Assuming Damon signs somewhere in the neighborhood of $4M for one year, Boras has basically cost Damon $10M upfront- since he had a 2 yr / $14M offer on the table from the Yanks a while back. Meanwhile, playing out side of Yankee Stadium his power numbers will more than likely diminish, affecting what kind of deal he’ll get going forward. So who knows how much of a hit Damon is really taking by sticking by his agent. Dumb if you ask me.
In any case, I wish Damon well- hoped he’d come back- but I’m fine the addition of Winn, especially at $2M. And if he doesn’t work out, there’s always the Jerry Hairston’s and Eric Hinke’s of the world that are always available mid-season to shore up the bench. Bottom line is, the Yanks don’t truly need Damon in their lineup- and they didn’t have to pay for it, so they didn’t.
Great sign..
To all the negative commentors, Winn’s signing was a dandy!! He is a switch hitter. He played on a BAD Giants team last year. Their offense ranked near the bottom in most offensive categories. Name me one player on the Giants that was near or close to Tex or ARod’s stats? Not one player on the Giants! That was the knack on the Giants! Great pitching, but no runs scored per game to match the great pitching!
Winn is a better defender than Damon. He can play all the OF positions. Damon cannot. He is a good base runner. Sure Damon had a great year last year, but don’t all players in the final year of their contracts? Sure Damon will be missed, but Cash assembled some downright great pros, maybe not stat wise, but on and off the field! I think this is one of the best offseasons in Yankee history! Sure they did not sign a prime huge FA, but they signed guys who will make the clubhouse stronger and more refreshing. I just like Winn! He plays hard and gives 100%! I will miss Damon’s personality and lefty bat, but I will not miss his bogus comments about wanting to be a Yankee for life!
Hey Johnny you screwed up! You let Boras bully you and Cash. You should have listened and saw what Boras did to ARod a couple of years ago! Have fun playing for the hapless Tigers or whatever bottom feeders that have some money to pay you! Johnny screwed Johnny and the Yankee fans!! Good riddance Benedict Damon!! The Red Sox fans were right…you are a me first player!!
" The Survivor"
Pauliecanes
If you're trying to alledge Damon of contract year nonsense
how about his 2006 and 2008 seasons, which were also very good and not contract years?
And I can tell you like taking a happy-go-lucky stance to the off-season. Good for you. I’ll continue to take my “brutally honest” perspective.
by FloridaownsFSU on Jan 28, 2010 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah the guy screaming doomsday because
we didn’t sign a 35 year old no-defense player to our team after making several key improvements and keeping the majority of the players from a WORLD SERIES team is the voice of reason.
And New York Sports Jerk is the kind, humble, and accepting.
FreeBradshaw would never make a comment that referenced his own crap.
HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber 1 loves simulators.
McDaniel loves Nick Swisher.
Wraithpk doesn’t believe in stats.
I think I pretty much just summed up this blog.
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Oh I should probably add
this is at least 50% sarcasm.
This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.
Where the hell do you get doomsday from?
Have I not said that I still view this team as a legitimate WS threat, as any sane person would?
So I wanted Damon back and am not the most high on Granderson. That’s an opinion. All things considered, I’d rate Cash’s offseason as a solid B-. Not great, but not bad either.
by FloridaownsFSU on Jan 29, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
You have a lot of issues Florida.
And B minus? really? Why because of your precious Damon isn’t coming back. WWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
go cry somewhere else.
Gardner for President
LOL your right, we will all miss Damon's arm.
Even Damon has been missing it, for years.
Gardner for President
Granderson trade fine
But would rather have Damon DHing Than Johnson
Jeter
Damon
Tex
Arod
Grand
Posada
Cano
Swish
Gard
Let's not get caught up in the whole "Clubhouse Guy" thing
It’s nice to have a good vibe going on in there, but performance on the field is all that matters. Obviously hanging out at basketball games and playing pool helps the on-field performance, but it won’t make a difference if we don’t play well.
Not harassing Cashman, but it’s a word of caution.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
+1
Winning on the field leads to good clubhouse chemistry, not the other way around.
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