Winn? Are you kidding me!
by jpoppejr on Jan 27, 2010 11:14 PM EST
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PrintWhat the heck is Cashman doing? Winn batted under .160 against lefties batting righty last year. This is just a replacement for Gardner. Cashman has screwed up the offensive side this offseason with the addition of Johnson and Winn. We would have been better off passing on both of them and just keeping Damon. I think Cashman is just being spiteful now on Damon because he despises Boras so much and wants to embarrass him.
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I'm glad you think you know how to build a team
better than the General Manager of the Yankees. You should send Hank Steinbrenner an email and tell him to hire you.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
to be fair to the OP
the entire purpose of a blog is to question the gm, and play the role of the gm. I’m sure you’ve done it as well, your views were probably just more…… reasonable haha
by beantownboy171 on Jan 28, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you CW. I am not going to say that Cash has never screwed up, and sometimes we as fans end up predicting a mistake, but we are wrong way more often than we are right.
Getting rid of Damon was a long term solution. Damon would have required a multiyear deal, and both Johnson and Winn are one year guys. Johnson is an on-base machine, and Winn can make up for Damon’s speed. Winn is not meant to be a starter, but a placeholder until 2011, when we can get a better OF, or through a trade at midseason. The Yanks wanted to stick to a budget, so they did, Cash just won a WS, he knows what he is doing.
One more thing, people are ignoring that Cash got us the 4th-Place Cy Young from last year for basically Melky Cabrera and one of the best speed-outfielders in the league for a prospect who may or may not be an above average MLP. Great trades if you ask me.
by Michael Uhlhorn on Jan 28, 2010 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
facing lefties
They obviously didn’t get him to hit again lefties, they’ll leave that to Gardner who hit .291 against them. Winn is an above average glove also. This is just a temporary one year patch, as is Johnson. Winn is slightly less expensive than Jerry Hairston Jr. but will hopefully hit for a better average. The trade off is that JH Jr, can sub-the infield, something Cashman must feel Pena can handle.
by dustproduction on Jan 27, 2010 11:38 PM EST reply actions
You know who can hit lefties?
Jeter, Johnson, Teixeira, Rodriguez, Cano, Swisher, Posada.
Throw in the fact that approximately only 30% of pitchers in the league are left handed, I think the Yankees offense will be just fine.
by Random_Task on Jan 28, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
What an appropriate reaction
to an offseason where the Yankees
1. Cut payroll
2. Got Younger
3. Are the favorites to REPEAT as World Series champions
Do you listen to yourself?
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I don't know
if I would say they are the favorites to repeat. Win the AL, sure, but the Phillies may have something to say about a repeat and watch out for the Cardinals too.
you mean the same team the yanks just beat?
halladay doesn’t make them any better. they already had an ace, and that ace dominated the Yanks in the series.
by Frank Campagnola on Jan 28, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
We lost a bunch
of offensive production so Vazquez really needs to have a great year for us to repeat. Just my opinion.
I agree to a point
But Damon and Matsui really had career years much better than projected, while Grandy had a real off year, so honestly I don’t think we really know what we’re gonna get. I still think we will score our customary 800+ runs, with and improved staff and defense I think we will be ok.
by DarthRichter on Jan 28, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
"800+ runs"
how ambiguous.
Yankees scored 915 runs. Saying they will score “800+” leaves that wide open for interpretation.
by FloridaownsFSU on Jan 28, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
They’re gonna score a lot, is that better?
by DarthRichter on Jan 29, 2010 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
and gained a bunch of offensive production. not to mention better outifeld defense
johnson’s had an OBP higher than .400 every year the last 4 years. Granderson is a shoe in for 25 HRs 20 steals, plus ugraded CF defense. Gardner and melky are pretty much a wash because melky’s got the better bat and arm but gardners the better defender and baserunner
And Vazquez significantly upgrades the back end of the rotation, while allowing joba or hughes to enter the bullpen, or AAA if necessary.
by Frank Campagnola on Jan 28, 2010 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
what did the Phillies do to get better?
What did the Cardinals do to get better?
Even if the Yankees offense is a bit “worse” then 2009…the pitching, assuming Javy’s healthy….is going to be 10x better.
The Yankees had 3 starters for most of last year. Joba was the 4th, a pile of dog crap was the 5th. They had the best record in the AL and won the WS with this configuration.
The Yankees got better. So did the Red Sox, but the Yankees essentially matched them with Javy vs Lackey.
…I don;’t understand all this talk. The Yankees made the most improvements and retooled their DEFENSE more then anyone in the league.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 28, 2010 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah but dude
Johnny Damon hit home runs and went to all star games. And so did Matsui.
Don’t let any logic get in your way! Now is the time to bitch and sound ridiculous!
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by Lord Duggan on Jan 28, 2010 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
To be completely honest, I think Beantown upgraded their D more than we did.
Beltre and Cameron instead of Lowell and Bay is huuuuuge. Scutaro might even be a little bit better than whoever the hell they had last yr.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 28, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
"retooled their DEFENSE more then anyone in the league."
Boston with Scutaro, Cameron, and Beltre might have something to say about that…
after all, Cameron and Beltre are amongst the very best at their positions, defensively.
by FloridaownsFSU on Jan 28, 2010 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, they have an amazing defense, but their offense is worse than last year. Trading Bay for Cameron is going from a 140 wRC+ to a 115, Lowell for Beltre is a 113 wRC+ to a 100, and the tradeoff of Lugo/Gonzalez/Green for Scutaro actually is an increase from 78 to 101. Overall, they lose 15% offensive ability combined from those three changes.
LOL!!!!!
I love how those who hate this deal focus strictly on the negatives…and only the negative from 2009 to boot.
Winn’s not gonna set the world on fire from the plate…but that’s basically what the Giants asked of him.
Those of you that wanted a #5 hitter…well, Winn batted FIFTH FOR THE GIANTS!! LOL!!!
He’s much better then Damon in the field. If he’s asked to platoon or be the full-time LF, he’s better then frickin Brett Gardner and or Hoffman.
Damon was and still is gonna hold out for a multi-year deal. Yankees don’t wanna do that, and I don’t blame them.
He was 100% healthy for all of 2009 and the playoffs. That’s a red flag in itself, cuz Damon’s always good for a DL stint.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
uhm. do you know anything about Johnny Damon?
he’s played in over 140 games in EVERY season of his career, except for his first season when he only played 47 with the royals. What makes you say hes always good for a DL stint? thats pretty incredibly durable.
by Frank Campagnola on Jan 28, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Do you just look at GS stats and conclude that?
He always has a nagging injury (and DL stint = ~140 games) and it saps his performance for weeks.
Damon was NEVER as healthy as he was in 2009 with the Yankees. He always broke down at the end of the season.
GS stats don’t tell you the whole story. You’d have to miss 162 Yankee games in 2008 to not know that Jeter was injured for most of the year, yet ‘153 games says he was healthy’.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 28, 2010 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
yes but jeter still played
the point is that he’s durable and he won’t miss significant time. im pretty sure he’s the only active player to play 14 straight 140 game seasons
by Frank Campagnola on Jan 28, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Not a bad pick-up
They’re basically holding a place for Carl Crawford next year.
Winn- a mistake, but not a disastrous one.
I live in enemy territory, and I can tell you that Theo Epstein regularly gets roasted for his mistakes, which are numerous (JD Drew, 8 different shortstops, Brad Penny, John Smoltz,a nd Marcus Scutaro, who isn’t a mistake yet). I think that this is one of Cashman’s. Fortunately, it is not of the magnitude of Carl Pavano or Kevin Brown.
by designatedquitter on Jan 28, 2010 10:49 AM EST reply actions
Epstein is roasted by a
large portion of the fanbase that doesn’t appreciate what he has done for that front office. I do not see any of those moves as mistakes. JD Drew has been productive thusfar into his contract and Penny and Smoltz were good decisions that just didn’t pan out.
Scoring runs...
How are we going to score any runs this year with Winn, Johsnon and Gardner in the lineup?
Our pitching better be good. Judging by last years number… If our infield only bats .307 again, and only hits 134 homeruns again… we are going to be in big trouble.
sarcasm
by Gas-House Gorilla on Jan 28, 2010 11:49 AM EST reply actions
All Nick Johnson is going to do is
get on base 40% of his at bats in front of Tex and Arod. No big deal.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 28, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
DOH!
Missed the Sarcasm part. I’m a dummy.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 28, 2010 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
All this angst stems from him not returning
NO ONE can fill his shoes. Not Matt Holliday. Not Randy Winn.
Devout Johnny Damon-ians of the world: REVOLT!!!
Johnny Damon is ready to LAY THE SMACK DOWN
I thought this would help to illustrate your point.
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by Lord Duggan on Jan 28, 2010 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
Lol… I forgot about that. Don’t quit stop seeking your day job, Johnny.
by Scooby Snacks on Jan 28, 2010 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
Had Johnny actually fake fought someone
that would have been utterly hilarious.
Since he didn’t I still can’t find any appeal in a fake soap opera between roided up rednecks. But that’s neither here nor there.
This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.
You remind me of Diddy's kid's car.
Can’t live without your perfectly stacked lineup. What if you had grown up in Kansas City? Even Diddy’s kids car doesn’t cost as much as JD’s demands. It was only 350,000 dollars. Oh yeah i forgot to mention he doesn’t drive yet. So a driver. Another hundred thousand. So 450,000. Yes, that is over league minimum. So maybe Johnny Damon should be a Maybach sports car. I think Hal and Hank would like that.
I understand
why some people will raise the argument that Granderson and Johnson can help to replace the production of Matsui and Damon, from a pure paper standpoint. Considering where Granderson and Johnson are calling home in 2010, compared to Matsui and Damon, it makes sense.
That said, the biggest flaw I see in that comparison is that we have no idea how Deki or Johnny would’ve fared if they were still playing with the Yankees. For all we know, Johnson could outperform Deki this year, but who knows if Deki would’ve posted better numbers if he were still the DH.
But this is a perfect semantics argument. And I think the real loss in all of this is, indeed, Johnny Damon. All things equal, Matsui would’ve been more ideal than Johnson, but alas, there’s a reason equality doesn’t exist. But it’s my honest belief that, all things considered, Damon is more valuable than Granderson or especially Winn.
Granderson+Johnson+Winn+Vasquez>Matsui+Damon+Melky
You can argue all you want about the position players. I think the newcomers will be more productive—you think Damon and Matsui would be better. Fine. Agree to disagree. However, the addition of Vasquez makes the 2010 Yankees better no matter how bearish you are on the new players .
Fortunately, the game of baseball is not played on paper
and those two variables in (both aging) Damon and Matsui are not constant on the playing field.
by Scooby Snacks on Jan 28, 2010 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
I think...
Cashman knew he got great years out of both aging players. He knows the odds are they will both decline in 2010. Looking at it from a 2009 standpoint, Matsui + Damon for Granderson + Johnson doesn’t look so great, but I have a feeling that after 2010 we’ll be praising Cashman for his foresight.
If the Angels let Matsui play outfield
you can bet his WAR shoots down. We’ve upgraded this offseason, and Winn is just a bench player that adds depth, don’t see what we’re getting worked up about.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
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