Would you trade A-Rod for Longoria?
by moose35 on Jan 14, 2010 11:56 AM EST
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Evan Longoria, the up-and-coming baseball star against Alex Rodriguez, with 8 years left on his contract and approaching an inevitable decline. In a hypothetical trade situation between the Devil Ray's and Yankees, would you trade our 3rd baseman for their 3rd baseman upfront? If the Rays didn't take it, how much of A-Rod's salary would you be willing to offer the Ray's? If YOU acting as the Yankees GM don't like the trade, what would you want as extra from the Rays?
Obviously this is all hypothetical, and I'm not asking Cashman to consider it, but it struck me as something interesting.
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Now I love me so Ring-Rod
but cmon dude, Longo is how much younger and cheaper?
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Absolutely YES.
A-Rod’s the man. But sorry Alex.
Longoria is 10 years younger. Not as good at the plate…but damn good. Much..much better in the field.
Who knows how much longer we have of 2009 A-Rod?
I would want a prospect…but factoring in the money..it would probably either be straight up or the Yanks would have to sweeten the deal.
But yes. Absolutely I would do it.
Never happen…..of course, A-Rod makes damn near as much as their whole team..
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
Yea
that´s why we would probably have to throw in some money. But it comes out to a pretty fair deal if we paid half his salary for 3-4 years.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
You're right,
But still, I’d do this in a heartbeat. I’d give them A-Rod, plus part of his salary for Longoria.
The major factor being that if club options are used, Longoria is under contract until 2016 and is only going to get better. To me, it’s a no brainer.
by Leviticus6688 on Jan 14, 2010 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
At first it looked like a no brainer...
But looking at the mental side of things, can you honestly say managers, pitcher and teams as a whole fear Longoria as much as AROD? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not taking anything away from the guy, but looking at the mental side of baseball and not just the production value, it might be a harder question.
by Gelatin on Jan 14, 2010 12:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That's why I posted it
At first it looks like a no brainer, but the more you think about it, the more it complicates itself
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
by moose35 on Jan 14, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well would you do it?
Honestly I can’t decide…
by Gelatin on Jan 14, 2010 12:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I probably would
But would only consider it a steal if I got the Rays to pick up A-Rod’s salary. That’s not happening though, so it comes out to a fair deal financial-wise.
Plus you don’t know what Longoria’s going to produce 2-3 years down the line, but you pretty much know and can estimate A-Rod’s numbers
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
How about
Us picking up A-Rod’s salary and Tampa Longoria’s?
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
No
When you look at the mentality of it, absolutely not. Imagine the pressure put on Longoria, playing in New York, and filling the shoes of A-Rod. Plus his presence in the line-up would have little or no impact on the way opposing pitchers would pitch to the rest of the line-up thus adversely affecting their production.
Nope
first of all, it’s never gonna happen. A-Rod has a full no trade clause, so he isn’t going anywhere as it is. Second, A-Rod makes WAY too much money for the Rays to take on, and it wouldn’t be worth if the Yankees gave up A-Rod and still had to pay his salary.
Thirdly, I still wouldn’t do it. Why? Because Alex Rodriguez is a better player than Evan Longoria. A-Rod is, when healthy, at Pujols level, and he’ll be up there like that for a few more years before he really starts to noticeably decline. And even when he does decline, I find it hard to believe that he still won’t be a productive player. He won’t be what he once was, but he won’t be like Ken Griffey Jr. is now either- just a shell of his former self. A-Rod has better patience, more power, more opposite field power, and a cannon for an arm at 3B. Plus, his baserunning knowledge and knowledge of the game itself is better than just about anyone in baseball. He’s also proven he can succeed in NY. Not taking anything away from Longoria. He’s a great player. But he’s not on A-Rod’s level, and we wouldn’t know if he can play in NY until he tried. You can’t base a trade like that based on only the difference in their ages.
I’ll take A-Rod.
I wouldn't do it
For all the reasons nyyrocks29 states above. Especially the New York factor. A-Rod can handle NY. Who knows if Longoria could.
Also, I just don’t think it’s a fair deal. Let’s get real here. A-Rod, like him or not is an all time player. You can’t argue that. Longoria is a nice young player, but he hasn’t even played two full seasons yet. It’s a little early to put these guys in the same conversation. A-Rod has had an OPS of under .900 only twice in his career (if you don’t count the 65 games he played in 94 & 95) but Longoria hasn’t posted an OPS over .900 yet.
Let’s not forget that the Yanks are a marketing machine. A-Rod is a cash cow… Longoria, not so much. Other than Longoria’s age, I don’t see how this would make any sense.
by Gas-House Gorilla on Jan 14, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Thank you..
The first voice of reason.
A-Rod is one of the best players in baseball. I would still put him in the top 3, if not 2, if not the best. Of course the other two being Pujols and Mauer. But let’s put this into context. A-Rod missed roughly the same amount of time as Mauer. Alex edged out Mauer in homers and RBIs. And he wasn’t at 100% the entire season, maybe until the postseason—Where he shined.
Basically what I’m saying is even though A-Rod’s decline very may well happen with in 3-4 years, he’ll still be an elite player. In Joe Torre’s book he said that Alex was the hardest working ballplayer he’s ever seen, and Torre has seen a lot of players. That means, to me, that when Alex’s skills begin to decline he will do whatever it takes to make sure that he’s still one of the best in the game. That’s what makes him special, much more special than Longoria will ever be.
You can't compare
last or next year. This trade would be a long-term commitment to Longoria, so the question we should be asking ourselves is: " 8 years from now (we’ll have Longoria longer if we sign him to an extension), will Longoria put up better numbers than A-Rod? If not, does the difference in contracts make up for that?
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
longoria is signed
for a while. no need for an extension
by Frank Campagnola on Jan 14, 2010 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
In a heart beat. The difference in their contracts easily covers any difference in production. The $ difference is so great that the Yanks could sign a Matsui and a Damon to sit on the bench.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Agreed. Longo is 23 yrs old, put up a 7.2 war last year
AND is signed to a bargain contract until 2016.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 14, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
and considering he's likely to get better over the next 10...and possibly peak at that 10th year...
while A-Rod probably will decline.
And I’ve seen enough of Longoria coming into NY and sticking it to the Yankees to know he’d succeed in NY.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 14, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
The whole "taking the pressure of New York" thing
is basically a crap shoot. You know it can get hostile, but you never know how you’ll play until you come here. Some players fail completely, while others make themselves into superstars. If I was a GM, I definitely wouldn’t be second guessing my moves with “Well, we don’t know how he’ll handle it here”
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
it seems its more of a pitcher thing tho....
I mean…guys like Giambi didn’t really fail…A-Rod obviously hasn’t failed. Tex was good in year one.
If we were talking about a pitcher, it seems that it plays…but a hitter? Seems that it usually is the opposite, that a hitter can thrive with the Yanks.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 14, 2010 5:30 PM EST up reply actions
It might have been
the pressure of the situation they were put into rather than the pressure of New York. A lot of the FA’s that fail here are put into a role they aren’t capable of fulfilling. I bet you anything if we signed only Burnett last winter he would have had a much worse year stat-wise.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
Free agents fail everywhere
except when they fail in New York it was because “they couldn’t handle the pressure of NY” not because a fraction of free agents fail no matter where they play.
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My point exactly
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
Evan and Eva Longria for A Rod?
If all Yankee fans can have one night with Eva then deal!
I refuse to get sloppy seconds from a French fairy
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by Lord Duggan on Jan 15, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
I know I'd make an exception...
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 15, 2010 8:19 AM EST up reply actions
Longoria for Arod in a second ...
I mean, look at those lines …
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
I don't think i'd honestly even consider it....
You can say 10 years younger…… you can say inevitable deteriation….
and your probably the same people bad mouthing Brett Farve saying the same thing…
AROD is the best at what he does, thats why we have him. He silenced the haters last year and i can’t wait to see him again this year.
Longo is impressive…… but thats about it.
by Gangsta Yanksta on Jan 18, 2010 7:23 PM EST reply actions
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Farve?
So…you’d take Farve over Aaron Rogers? You can have elite over the next year or 2. I’ll take elite over the next 10+ years.
It gets late real early out here....
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 19, 2010 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
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