We the Fans
After McGwire's confession to using PED's, I think something needs to be cleared up. This is aimed towards the people who think steroid-users "owe us fans an apology" or that "we have been cheated".
a) Take a substance that has a ban which isn't enforced. It's not moral and not completely fair, but it'll give you an edge over the comptetition.
b) Refuse the substance and hope that the other 700+ guys who play at the Major League level refuse them too. If you don't make it and are working night shifts to help feed your kids in the future...well, at least you can say that you didn't break the rules or put your toe across the line.
Obviously, in the beginning of the Steroid Era, most players chose choice A. They were willing to do anything to achieve their dream of becoming a Major League Baseball player, even if it came back and bit them in the ass a decade or two down the line. They knew the competition was stiff, and that a bad couple of months on the diamond can alter your future. And as everyone knows, baseball is a dog eat dog world. And we the fans have made it that way. We the fans wanted to see Bonds and Sosa hitting bombs over the fence, and even though we won't admit it, we didn't care back then whether they were juicing or not. We didn't care what immoral things they did, we just wanted entertainment. Now, 15 years later, we want to refuse Mark McGwire his place in Cooperstown. Now it's a problem he juiced, because now we have "clean, pure and gritty" examples in baseball, who will condemn all their actions, not admitting that they were the players that inspired them when they were playing Little League. We have sports writers, who made their money writing about how great these guys were. Now they make their money writing about what terrible, immoral people they are-because that's public opinion, and they're trying to voice it. Even though not entirely, we are responsible for all the confessions and finger-pointing.
McGwire, Sosa, Pettite, A-Rod, Bonds....they don't owe us an apology. We owe it to them.
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Well written.
We gave the dog a bone, than yelled at him for having it.
by Gelatin on Jan 13, 2010 2:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm not apologizing to a bunch of multi-millionaires
Sorry, that’s just dumb. Yeah, we celebrated their accomplishments because we were ignorant and naive. That doesn’t mean we’re responsible for their misdeeds.
And, for the MILLIONTH time, just because baseball didn’t ban steroids doesn’t mean they were legal in the United States.
http://newyorksportsjerk.blogspot.com/
by New York Sports Jerk on Jan 13, 2010 2:52 PM EST reply actions
I don’t think he meant literally say sorry. He’s just saying that it isn’t fair for people like McDaniel to crucify a guy like McGwire when we all know the fans and media at that time rooted for him. We knew he was doing shit from like 98, and refused to even listen until some 12 years later.
And everyone knows it wasn’t legal in the US, but plently of people will find a loophole in the system for their own success and you’re a damn liar if you tell me you wouldn’t. By now it takes a fool to not realize that’s our human nature, whether you wanna admit it or not.
by Gelatin on Jan 13, 2010 6:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually
It was illegal to sell them in the U.S They were perfectly fine to take (not legally, but a lot of people got away with it).
I didn’t say we’re responsible for their misdeeds, I’m saying we are responsible for how we’re treating them and the situation.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
Oh please.
We all filled their pockets with cash. If you want to martyr yourself, be my guest, but the next time I feel sympathy for an athlete will be the first.
I’ll trade places with any one of them in a second. Don’t pretend they even care what we think. They don’t.
http://newyorksportsjerk.blogspot.com/
by New York Sports Jerk on Jan 14, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
I never said I felt sympathy.
I just think its ridiculous that people will bitch and moan over the idea of McGwire being a HoF when clearly baseball has been a game filled with cheaters since day 1.
I acknowledged the fact that you, or me, or anyone one this damn blog would trade places with them. Its the people who think they wouldn’t, and the people who think that they are self righteous enough to sit here and lie about it that I’m talking to.
Especially when I garuntee in 20+ years the same people who denied McGwire are gonna be crying for AROD, and ridiculously enough, even Pettite
by Gelatin on Jan 14, 2010 2:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't know about us fans
but athletes definitely care what the media thinks about them. Why do you think some athletes “can’t take the stress” of playing in New York?
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
Because, for lack of a better word...
…they’re pussies.
http://newyorksportsjerk.blogspot.com/
by New York Sports Jerk on Jan 14, 2010 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
that makes no sense.
thats like saying you cant sell cocaine but if you have it you can take it.
if its illegal to sell its illegal to buy.
steroids are illegal and have been for a long time.
by Frank Campagnola on Jan 15, 2010 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
It's a lot different with steroids
All you have to do is find a willing doctor who will find a cure for your “hormonal deficiency”.
I firmly believe that any man's finest hour, the greatest fulfillment of all that he holds dear, is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and lies exhausted on the field of battle - victorious.
Vince Lombardi
Exactly.
You put “hormonal deficiency” in quotes for a reason. ITS STILL ILLEGAL. only a handful of guys have permission from MLB to take some sort of PED. The guys on the Mitchell Report and failed tests had no permission. i.e, illegal.
by Frank Campagnola on Jan 16, 2010 4:05 AM EST up reply actions
Screw that
I wish they could all juice,imagine the absolute onslaught of awesomeness,I want to see the absolute best and if steroids make them better then whatever, it is there body.I watch baseball to be entertained not to feel moraly better,thats what church is for.500 hundred foot tape shots and 100 mph on the gun,and oh yeah a full blown Yankee dynasty.
Let the Panic bloom
by cashman bashman on Jan 13, 2010 9:17 PM EST reply actions
Sounds like a beautiful world.
Than some ignorant fans (looking at you Philly) will finally stop saying they’ve never had anybody take roids on their team. What a joke.
by Gelatin on Jan 13, 2010 9:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions

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