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Espn Journalist says Pujols better than Ruth




On today's "Sportsnation" Colin Cowhero said that Albert Pujols is the tougher out than the Babe.  He said that the Babe was "overrated"  and that in "1915 it was easier to hit since there were no relief pitchers". The Babe wasn't a fulltime hitter in 1915. This guy is ridiculous.  First he works for Espn he should know Babe Ruth's favorite brand of beer nevermind when he started to be a fulltime hitter.  Another reason why Espn should be blacked out across America they hire idiots.  Erin Andrews can stay on the air though

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Pujols is great but ESPN loves to overrated the guy..

Yea hard to overrate the best player in baseball but espn manages to do that, Every Hr he hits is like something magical and they make it seem this season is like the best season ever by a player in recent years. I like Pujols and he is a beast but i would say ARod’s 07 campaign was even better than Pujols this year. Pujols will need a beastly September to match Arod’s 07 year.

by lololol on Sep 3, 2009 7:40 PM EDT reply actions  

A-Rod in April in 07

was the most dominant i think ive ever seen any hitter be

by Brian5517209 on Sep 3, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

A-Rod's 2007 campaign

was truly unbelievable. We would have been a below .500 team without the season that he had. We wouldn’t have been near the playoffs without him.

by nyyrocks29 on Sep 4, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

He will eventually break Ruth's HR total...

but other than that, I don’t think so.

GODZZIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 3, 2009 9:15 PM EDT reply actions  

we'd be unstoppable

come to think of it, we’re pretty unstoppable now. Anyway, Alex won’t have a season like that on a bad hip. But I could see him returning to his 2007 form next year when 100% healthy. He’s much looser than ever before, and he certainly has the talent.

by nyyrocks29 on Sep 4, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

You'remaking me angry...

ESPN fails again… Ruth > Pujols
Did pujols single handedly save baseball like ruth did after the black sox?
Nope…

by ntrokel on Sep 3, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions  

was Pujols ever

a great pitcher too? nuff said.

by Travis G on Sep 4, 2009 12:15 AM EDT reply actions  

we'll never know until 'poo holes' career is finished...

but could you imagine if he was hitting in the middle of our lineup? he is in a great lineup as it is, but he would have so many walks, and probably have one of the most ridiculous seasons stat wise ever.

LET'S GO BUFFALO!!!!!!

by BenAllen on Sep 4, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Pujols in the middle of our lineup?

Wouldn’t that be something! Teixeira 3rd, A-Rod 4th, Pujols 5th? That would be the greatest heart of the order in the history of baseball!

by nyyrocks29 on Sep 4, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why stop there? If We're dreaming then...

Ichiro, Jeter, Damon, Tex, Arod, Pujols, Mauer, Cano, Ryan Braun
Pitching Rotation: CC, Joba, Grienke,Lincecum, Halladay
Set UP: Hughes, Joe Nathan
Closer: Mariano

Prediction: 162-0

If only Dreams were true…(Goes back to playing mlb 09 the show)

by lololol on Sep 4, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

CC, Joba, Grienke, Lincecum, Halladay

“One of these things is not like the others,
 one of these things just does not belong…”

by waw on Sep 4, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i left the need to keep at least one yankees prospect in the rotation =P

by lololol on Sep 4, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

holy crap i couldnt even IMAGINE seeing that as a yanks lineup.

by yankee4life on Sep 6, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

Couldve swore that in the intial Mitchell/Bullshit Red Sux Board of Director Report

That Pujols was initially named.. he threw a fit after it was confirmed he wasnt in it.. He isnt suspicion and to put him in the same sentence as Ruth is assinine… I like Cowherd however he is a Goober from Washington State that fawns over Golf and mentions Tiger Woods as one the best athletes in the world lol.. *Golf isnt a sport " ..

by MUSKRAT on Sep 4, 2009 1:46 AM EDT reply actions  

yea POO Holes also probably does steroids …. and also … when he can hit a homerun and pitch and get the win , then he can talk … jack ass.

by blindmole on Sep 4, 2009 2:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Pujols is great

but who’s gonna make this guy eat his words when it comes out that Pujols did some kind of PED or steroid. The Babe was the greatest of all time there is no comparison. He was without peer. He hit more home runs than any other entire team. His lifetime batting average is ridiculous. And he was the best left handed pitcher of his time. He would’ve made the hall of fame if he never touched a bat in the majors.

by bronx joey on Sep 4, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Its funny because I actually like Colin Cowherd

but he’s gotta be off his rocker for this one. Why does the fact that Babe pitched get ignored? And he was good. But the offensive prowess made everyone totally forget.

P.S- I’d love to hang with that co-host chick from SportsNation. She’s like my sports bar buddies, but with a vagina.

-I'm the straw that stirs the drink.........Then I drink the drink too.

by ReggieARodJeter on Sep 4, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I agree

Michelle Beadle is one hot girl. Imagine her as your girlfriend she’s hot, and she can more than hold her own with you in a sports conversation.

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

by sdhman11 on Sep 4, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought her name was Erin Andrews?

-I'm the straw that stirs the drink.........Then I drink the drink too.

by ReggieARodJeter on Sep 6, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Albert Pujols is one of the best, if not the best, of his generation.

But Babe Ruth slugged over .700 7 times. He slugged over .800 twice. He posted an OBP over .450 11 times, and over .500 5 times.

Babe Ruth was 206.3 Wins Above Replacement for his career. He absolutely revolutionized the way the game was played. He is the most dominant athlete every to play any sport.

by 3460kuri on Sep 4, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Colin Cowherd

Is a Red Sox fan….at least he said so on one show

by BlackandGoldSSgt on Sep 4, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

You knew that

because he was working for ESPN. Interesting that he ’fessed up, tho…

by waw on Sep 4, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m a Yankees fan, but I would tend to agree with Cowherd. Ruth benefited from weak pitching and a shallow talent pool. In the 1920’s, 1 in every 700k men played professional baseball. In the 2000’s, 1 in every 2 million men play professional baseball. The players today are stronger, faster, and more athletic. It’s not just baseball; it’s in every sport across the board.

If you want proof, look at the Men’s 100m free style event. In 1896, the men’s gold medalist won with a time of 1:22.20. In 2008, the gold medal time was 47.21. Is in 112 years, we’ve seen an improvement of about 35 seconds.

These types of debates can never be decided, though. What would Ruth do in today’s league where pitchers regularly throw 95 MPH? How would be benefit from modern medicine (perhaps, he would have been put on anti-depressants instead of having to resort to alcohol)? What would Pujols do in Ruth’s league? He would probably put up numbers BETTER than he’s posting today, but those elbow/knee problems he’s dealing with might have ended his career in the 1920’s.

Bottom line, I just think athletes today are better than they were in those days. I would also add Bonds to the list. Bonds, Pujols, ARod – we lived in a blessed era of power hitters (PEDs or not).

by murp0837 on Sep 4, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Baseball is probably the sport where athleticism matters the least. Sure it helps, but it has little bearing on pure pitching and batting ability. Ruth was great at both. Maybe if the stats were close, I would give the edge to Pujols, but Babe hit 714 home runs while batting .342 for his career, not to mention all the other stats. That is just plain ridiculous.

by Mongo314 on Sep 4, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ah you bring up athleticism

Lets remember that Pujols isn’t the greatest athlete. He isn’t fast at all. While Ruth before the belly was very quick. And you have to be a great athlete to be a great pitcher and great hitter. Rick Ankiel is a great athlete to do so. Ruth was an even better one to be great at both

People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring. ~Rogers Hornsby

by sdhman11 on Sep 4, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're missing the point though

You’re forgetting that somebody living and playing baseball in the 1930s is going to be subject to the information about medicine, diet, and fitness that was available at the time. If Babe Ruth were playing in 2009, he’d adjust – remember, we’ve had our share of fat slob major leaguers who actually did well. Likewise, If Pujols played in 1930, he wouldn’t have understood the benefits of weight training along with a high protein diet. Hell, Latinos weren’t even allowed in the majors back then.

Since time machines haven’t been invented yet, the only way you can even begin to objectively compare players of different eras are through some of the more advanced stats like OPS+ or VORP, which measures how well they performed relative to an “average” ballplayer from their time period. Babe Ruth’s career OPS was 107% better than the competition during his career, while Pujols’ is 72% better thus far. That’s all you can look at in my book.

by 3460kuri on Sep 4, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Albert Pujols would not be allowed to play in the 1920’s because he is not white. And this fact is exactly why its hard to compare eras (and why OPS+ does not quite work). Many of the best players in the league today would have been excluded from the league back then. So, I’m gonna conclude that while Babe was more dominant for his era, his era was so watered down compared to players today, that Pujols is better (and roided Bonds was definitely better).

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Sep 6, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The pt is ..

Ruth hit more HRs than a team one yr.. Each era had distinct advantages ..however when someones value is derived primarily from power and the power that is generated is questionable I think the debate is mute.. Ruth did have advantages such as not playing against African Americans and Latinos but he also played in huge ball parks ..pitched at a very high level for many yrs and in most Sabermetric studies stacks up very well against the best players throughout the yrs .. Pujols is a great player however I would be reluctant to place him above Ruth or even in the top 5 or 10 of all time just yet.. and btw with the whole time machine argument why dont we just put the asterisk next to Bonds and put back Aaron and Maris back in the rule books.. Cowherd is entertaining but a self serving ESPN Sux loving Goober who hates NY ..

by MUSKRAT on Sep 5, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Just a journalist looking to rile the Yankee fans..............

Do you really think for a minute he believes Pujols is better than Ruth?
I don’t think so. He might be ignorant, but no one is that entirely stupid.

Just wanted to irritate the average stat-smart baseball fans.
But it’s not even barely debatable, and he d@mn well knows it……..

by Mickblast on Sep 6, 2009 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Could you guys imagine what guys like Ruth and Mantle...

Would’ve gone through in today’s media? ESPN has some good points but they have some really bad ones too. They’re not very objective for being a supposed News organization.

by YankeesJets on Sep 6, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions  

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