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Rant against the wild card

Take a look at this table. It shows how often the best team in baseball (via W-L record) has won the World Series in the wild card era. It's happened twice ('98 Yanks, '07 Sox), and just as often as the team with the worst record ('00 Yanks, '06 Cards). Not comforting when it looks like the Yankees will end up with the best record in baseball.

The wild card was instituted in 1995 with the purpose of bringing fans back after the strike. The hope was that it would give more teams (and their fans) meaningful games in the latter half of the season.

Was it really needed? Was there not enough diversity in title contenders? It certainly hasn't helped playoff TV ratings, which have dropped precipitously since the strike.

From 1980-1993, there were nine different AL pennant winners and eight different NL pennant winners.

In the Wild Card era, there've been seven different AL pennant winners and 10 different NL pennant winners.

It's the exact same number of different teams overall, despite there being four more teams in the WC era (Rox, Marlins, Rays and D-Backs) and doubling the number of playoff contenders.

Perhaps this is just a rant because I'm pissed that the Yanks haven't done what they should have in October in the last eight years. But it boils down to this question: which is the better measure of a team? 162 games, or seven? I mean, the f'ing Nationals took two of three from the Yanks, but they are/were clearly not the better team.

Star-divide

If it was the large disparity in payroll MLB was concerned with, it didn't hurt medium and small market teams before 1995. Look who won the pennants: Kansas City! Can you imagine them doing anything in the modern era? Minnesota! They haven't made it past the LCS since 1991. Milwaukee even won a pennant! How the hell did that happen? And what about Cincy, Oakland and Toronto?! (Montreal(!) had the best record in baseball at the time of the '94 strike.)

The wild card era playoffs have merely become a question of who gets hot at the right time.

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Hate the Wild Card, always have, always will

But we’re stuck with it, and since we are, we might as well actually make winning the division worth something by adding another WC team in each league, and making them play a best-of-3 series to advance to the ALDS.

by New York Sports Jerk on Sep 24, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

i wouldn't mind

the top seeds getting a bye to the LCS, and adding a second WC for the first round.

by Travis G on Sep 24, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's an idea...

…but I think it’s too long of a layoff.

You could do the “Wild Card Series” in 4 days, max, then make the winner fly to the location of the ALDS without a day off.

That gives the team with the best record a decided advantage.

by New York Sports Jerk on Sep 24, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

not a terrible idea...

which means it’ll never happen.

I think we’re stuck with the current format…

by NumberSeven on Sep 24, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Like But I also hate it

It’s a good way for another team to make it to the playoffs. But it’s not uncommon for that team to win the World Series. I don’t love it, but I don’t hate it.

"Don't let your fears of striking out keep you from playing the game."

by Lizza on Sep 24, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Wildcard= Small Market Teams

The Wildcard was instituted I believe to justify Bud Selig’s bias against the small market teams and as a way to appease the owners who take the revenue sharing and pocket it and still complain that NY and Boston, etc. have a competitive disadvantage. I think that Bud thought it would allow more small market teams to make the playoffs without having to actually spend any money. Take Tamp for instance they made the playoffs last year and this year instead of spending a little more to continue advancing
they trade away their best pitcher who is still relatively young and are probably going to trade Crawford in the off-season.

by ae2cdk on Sep 24, 2009 5:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Like it but

The wild card really is not punished for not winning the division.If you are the lowest WC in the Nfl your guaranteed to never play at home.I would love to see the wild card only get 1 home game in the LDS and 2 in the LCS.That to me would differentiate between the WC and the division winner with the poorest record.All bets are off in the WS since they would be champions of there league and would then have earned some home games.Just think if this were the case the yr the sux came back,Ortiz’s hits and homers are not hits and homers at the stadium.They were actually talking about this a few yrs back but it died down.I would love to know why they axed it if anybody knows.

by cashman bashman on Sep 24, 2009 6:08 PM EDT reply actions  

The problem with the punishment idea...

On the surface I like the punishment idea, but let’s take this year for example. If the Red Sox only got 1 home game the team benefitting from that would be the Angels, not the Yankees who have the best record. If they got rid of the “can’t play in the division” rule the Yankees get the benefit of the 1 game but they have to play a tougher team in the 1st round. Either way it seems a bit unfair. The one thing that I think would get rid of a lot of these 1st round upsets would be making the 1st round best of 7. Every other sport does this and I can’t understand why baseball doesn’t. It would add 3 days to the season. It’s not that much colder on Nov. 7th than on Nov. 4th.

If you look at the wildcard teams who have won the world series, they’re not upstart teams who go on miracle runs. Usually (97 Marlins, 02 Angels, 04 Red Sox) they’re teams who win well over 90 games and just happen to be in a division with another really good team. It does take something away from certain regular season races. This weekend would be more exciting if the Red Sox were fighting to stay in the race. In a lot of years it also adds races that wouldn’t otherwise be there though. Overall it makes the playoffs better because it ensures that all the best teams are going to be there

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Sep 25, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the wild card now.....

a little more than I did. Now I am retired and can watch more baseball.

Rick
Goooooooooooo MSU BOBCATs
MONTANA STATE UNIVERSITY

by ramyankee on Sep 24, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

The MLB Network must vastly improve your life.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Sep 24, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

unfortunately.....

retired due to the economy, cutbacks…..But at least I was 62+ and had the option…..And that meant cutting back on expenses, NO MLB network…..

Rick
Goooooooooooo MSU BOBCATs
MONTANA STATE UNIVERSITY

by ramyankee on Sep 24, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

hating the wild card is like hating the new stadium

It’s here to stay, we’re never going back, so you might as well save your breath.

I voted “somewhere in between.” I wouldn’t mind if there were two wild card teams, and they had to do a play-in game the day after the season ended. Then the wild card team would be handicapped somewhat. On the other hand, you can make the argument that both Boston and Texas are better than Detroit, so why should those two teams have their season on the line when Detroit has their ticket punched to the divisional round just because they play in the Central? Maybe there’s no answer.

by long time listener on Sep 24, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Get rid of the divisions. Balance the schedule across the league. Top 2 teams are 1 seeds, 3-6 are wild cards.

best of 3 best of 7
    3 v 4 —> v 2
    5 v 6 —> v 1

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Sep 24, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

But then don’t the 1 and 2 seeds have 4-7 days off after their last game? That seems like a long time.

by long time listener on Sep 24, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not if there are no off days between the end of the season and the start of the second series.
3 days off.
2 if you do the first game in one city and make them do a double header in the second city.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Sep 24, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

minor tweak

3 v 6 —> v 2
4 v 5 —> v 1

Your layout gives both the 3 and 4 teams tougher games than the 5 seed in the first round.

by waw on Sep 24, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ugh

You know, everything is fine as it is.

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Sep 24, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

???Where does this mantra come from???

“Oh things can never change, we’re stuck with everything exactly as it is now.”

If anything, baseball has changed a lot over the years, especially in terms of post-season.

It’s like if you were in 1965, wishing there were playoffs but saying, “It’s no use, we’re stuck with two leagues and one world series.”

The bottom line is that tv ratings for the playoffs go LOWER each year because most people can see that the playoffs make a joke out of who is the best team. We need FEWER playoffs, not more. It would restore some credibility to the post season and MLB would get higher ratings and make more money. The wild card was a worthy experiment which failed.

“But we’re stuck with failure! We must accept things as they are and stop asking for change! It would be stupid to put Joba back in the pen because a rich co-owner of the Yankees said so and we must bow down before rich people!” etc. etc. etc.

Fatalism is an ugly thing.

by 209209 on Sep 25, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

we’re only ‘stuck with it’ as long as it lasts. there’ve been numerous changes to MLB over the years.

and i heartily agree that the fewer playoff games, the higher the ratings.

re: playoff seeds: definitely agree with jscape about getting rid of divisions. have an AL and an NL, balanced schedule, and take the top 2, 4, 6, whatever teams into the playoffs.

by Travis G on Sep 25, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Two wild cards

is the way to go, preferably with a short series (2 out o 3). That way there’s more of an incentive to actually win a division and more of a punishment for the runner(s)-up to actually have to win something before they advance.

by Skycat on Sep 24, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Id rather take it a step further...

shorten the season and make there be 6 playoffs teams….

Not gonna happen.

The way they have it now is just enough to make the reg. season meaningful and also an extra spot for a non-division winning team to get it.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 24, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I really like the Wild Card

and I bet if the Yanks and Sox were flipped in the standings most of you guys would too.

by GMan83201 on Sep 24, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

not necessarily

if the Sox had a better record over the course of a season, i could live with that. what would piss me off, though, would be Detroit or Minny making the playoffs instead of the Yanks. that’s why it should just be one big AL w/o divisions.

by Travis G on Sep 25, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not crazy about the wild card but...

I’d rather leave it as is than add more teams and rounds. Eventually the WS will end at Thanksgiving and baseball will become like the NBA and NHL – playing a 6 month regular season to eliminate 8 teams from the playoffs.

by django48 on Sep 24, 2009 9:06 PM EDT reply actions  

fan of the wild card

the wild card has made it possible for more than one great team to make the playoffs in 1 division. In overpowering divisions where the second place team is also dominant, that team is given the chance to produce in the post season. i dont get how anyone could not like that idea, especially if ur team is in one of those divisions. the only thing i dont like about the playoffs is the amount of off days in between games.

by eddieo311 on Sep 24, 2009 10:27 PM EDT reply actions  

What would really be most fair, and unfortunately less interesting, would be

to ELIMINATE divisions all together. Just have everyone play each other approximately the same amount of times and the 4 AL teams with the best records make the playoffs, 1 playing 4 and 2 playing 3. Of course, I would never want this; it would hurt a lot of rivalries and probably make it all less interesting.

by Rumplestiltskin02 on Sep 24, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions  

The WC is there for the Yanks and the Sox

Those are the big teams, and having them both in the playoffs, preferably against one another, generates big ratings and big revenues (2003 and 2004 certainly delivered big drama).

Personally, I’m a big fan of the WC…It throws more teams in the race, which means more fan-bases are into the races for more of the season.

Moreover, is a WC winning the WS somehow less “just” than a .500 team making the playoffs in the West?

by PortlandYankee on Sep 24, 2009 11:41 PM EDT reply actions  

yes but

i remember the 85(?) yankees having a better record than the world champ royals, and yet we never even got a chance to play in the playoffs…that didn’t seem right

by holycowboy on Sep 25, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

or 1987

when four teams in the AL east had a better record than the WS champion Twins

by holycowboy on Sep 25, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally disagree.

The problem is not the wild card. Consider that of the 4 major sports, the FEWEST number of teams get in to the playoffs in baseball. Of those teams, because of the division structure and payroll disparity, often the division winners themselves are weak. That is the biggest reason for the fact that divison winners have a lower representation than statistical with regard to WS wins. Every year several teams win divisions that really suck. Whys should teams in good divisions be punished, when there are often barely 500 teams making the playoffs out of bad divisions? Last year, the White Sox won the central, and they were a far worse team than the Yankees who finished 3rd in the East. This year the Red Sox are a far better team than the Tigers. Consider that the Tigers have a 8 run differential, while the Red Sox have147 (just 3 total runs behind the Yankees). You want to argue that because of geography we should peanalize these teams when the Central winners have totally sucked recently? Makes no sense at all. You also can’t do away with divisions because of travel. Instead of punishing good teams, I would advocate something going the other way-teams should be pooled and seeded as in hockey or basketball. It is not that the wild card is not punsihed enough, it is that it is punished too much.

by Buzzy on Sep 25, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

Exactly. Why reward geography?

Let’s look at this year. If the season ended yesterday, The Yankees would win the East, the Tigers would take the Central, and the Angels would be the West champs. The Red Sox would be the Wild Card. Thus, New York would host Detroit and LA would host Boston. If the Sox advance, we’ll hear the same voices decrying the Wild Card set-up.

However, if you ranked the top four teams by winning percentage, things look different. The Yankees (.634) are #1, the Red Sox (.599) #2, the Angels (.592) #3, and the Texas Rangers (.546) are #4. If the playoffs were based on rewarding the best teams and not geographical division, the Yankees would host Texas and the Red Sox would host the Angels.

Last year, the Yankees missed the playoffs even though they had a better record than the White Sox, who won the Central. We won’t even mention the 2006 Cards, WS winners despite only winning 83 games in the regular season.

While I believe divisions are necessary for travel (as Buzzy mentioned) and to foster geographic rivalries, they are inherently unfair because there are always weak divisions. The Wild Card corrects part of the problem by granting a playoff spot to the best non-division winner. Some criticize the Wild Card for diluting the playoffs. But this isn’t the case. It is very rare for the Wild Card team to be the 4th best in either league. More often than not, the weakest team is a division winner. Sometimes the Wild Card team is the second-best team in the league. In 2004, the Red Sox were the WC with 98 wins and had the third-best record in baseball. The 2002 WC Angels won 99 games. The 2003 WC Marlins had a better record than the Cubs, the team they beat in the NLCS.

Crappy division winners aren’t just a byproduct of the three division set-up. The two division system often rewarded bad teams in weak divisions. The Wild Card is a necessary correction to some of the inequities of the divisional-based playoff structure. After 162 games, the four best teams—regardless of division—should make the post-season. Those who think Wild Card teams are illegitimate because they didn’t win a geographical division should go back and look at the year-to-year standings. They’ll see far more bad division winners than weak WC teams. After 162 games, the best teams should go to the playoffs regardless of their time zone.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 25, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

actually agree with you guys...

Something that would never (and logistically can’t) happen, would be to do away with divisions completely. Go AL and NL, with the top 4 teams making the playoffs (as you alluded to) – 1 vs 4, 2 vs 3… that’s the only way to guarantee that the best team (record-wise) plays the true lowest seed. In which case, if the season ended today it would be Yanks-Rangers, and Angels-Sox. Tigers fall short.

This is all just a pipe dream of course.

by NumberSeven on Sep 25, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

To me the only problem

is how to make sure that teams play each other an equal number of times given the fact that they are spread out all over the US and Canada. I think Drugs like the rivalries, which I think would still be there when the teams did face off.

by Buzzy on Sep 25, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah totally--

that’s why logistically it could never happen- travel would be a nightmare. In principle- the best four teams make the playoffs- it makes way too much sense.

by NumberSeven on Sep 25, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

Unfortunately, divisions are necessary. Still, MLB could still use the divisional structure and seed teams 1 through 4. Teams in weak divisions would still have an advantage. (Does anyone think Tampa or Toronto couldn’t win the Central?) But, you’d be assured that the top 4 teams by record would make the post-season. To me, that’s the best set-up.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 25, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

but again...

you can’t really do that due to the fact that teams will play different schedules.

by NumberSeven on Sep 25, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am really of two minds about this

I would agree that the best record teams should make the playoffs. I even like the idea of say the two best records in each league having one 7 game playoff then having the WS. I believe the wild card gives too many bad teams false hopes. This means that they hold on to veteran players that they would be better off trading at the trade deadline. The old saw from when there were 8 teams in each league and only one went to the WS was " you can finish in 6th place with cheap rookies just as well as with expensive veterans."
       If there is insistence on divisions, I’d rather see only 28 teams ( do we really need perineal losers like the Pirates and the Nats) in two leagues with 2 division s in each league with no wild card at all. Win your division or go home. 3 rounds of playoffs is one round too many IMHO.

"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel

by tnredneckyankeesfan on Sep 25, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions  

What about weak division?

In a two divsion format, one division is usually stronger than the other. For example, what do you think of this scenario?

Division A
Winner – 98 wins
2nd Place – 96 wins
3rd Place -90 wins

Division B
Winner – 89 wins

The winner of Division A plays the winner of Division B. How is that better than the current system?

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 25, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

And another thing-

“If it was the large disparity in payroll MLB was concerned with, it didn’t hurt medium and small market teams before 1995. Look who won the pennants: Kansas City! Can you imagine them doing anything in the modern era? Minnesota! They haven’t made it past the LCS since 1991. Milwaukee even won a pennant! How the hell did that happen? And what about Cincy, Oakland and Toronto?! (Montreal(!) had the best record in baseball at the time of the ’94 strike.)”

This statement is actually totally misguided. Why? Because payroll distribution was much more homogeneous in this time frame. Consider the fact that the top 2 payrolls in 88 were NYY and Det, in 1989 LA and NYY, in 1990 KC and NYM, and in 1991 Oak and LA. They were constantly in flux. The gap at the top was nonexistent. Teams were separated often by less than a million dollars and by about 3% or less of their total payrolls. When did that really change? It actually changed to a large degree after the 2001 season (well into the WC era). At this stage the Yankee payroll really started to dwarf other teams (it may have a long time ago as well-I don’t know the numbers). At this stage the difference between the Yankee payroll and the next closest team (this year it is the Mets) is alone more than the payroll of many many teams. This was not the case in the 80’s and 90’s at least. The total payroll spread is much much more now than it was then.

by Buzzy on Sep 25, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

but there didn't have to be rules

before the WC to make the Yankees support lesser teams. somehow the ‘small market’ teams competed just as well as the big market teams. a big reason may be stupid MLB decisions to put franchises in cities that couldn’t support them (TB, FLA, WAS).

the luxury tax does nothing but encourage Jeff Lorias to pocket the money. i would understand it a bit if there was a salary floor.

look at 1992 for instance: the top payroll team, the Mets ($44 mil), spent 5.5 times as much as the bottom team, Cleveland ($8 mil). This year, the #1 team, the Yanks ($201 mil), have spent 5.5 times as much as the bottom team, Florida ($36 mil).

we never heard so much about the disparity until it was the Yankees, and they started winning. we didn’t hear about it when it was Toronto, or the Mets, or Baltimore, or KC, or the Dodgers.

by Travis G on Sep 25, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps you are missing my point

or maybe you just disagree. I am not in favor of a cap, or even really the luxury tax. I am in favor of something else that MLB does not do but that is a topic for another story.

First, notice that you are wrong-they Yankees did NOT have this gap when they were winning-from 96-2001 the Yankees were close to the top payroll team (sometimes the top) but there was no gap-the other top teams were very close. That changed from 2002-now. Regardless, that is not the point. The point is now that in absolute number terms the distribution has large gaps. Thus, while in 1992 the Mets may have spent 5.5 times as much as the bottom teams, they were fonly a small % above the other top teams-the top 5 teams were within 5 million and the top 4 within 2 million. This year, the gap between the Yankees payroll (201) and the Mets (149) is 52 million dollars-a full 1/3 of the TOTAL METS PAYROLL. The Yankees payroll is nearly 2 times as large as the Red Sox payroll. On the other hand, the Red Sox payroll is nearly 2 times the Rangers payroll-the team they fought off for the wild card. And in the West, the Angels have a Yankees-like gap in payroll over the next team. That kind of advantage is totally different than what we had before the WC era. Take your example of 1992-there were no such gaps. In the AL the top payroll teams in each of the 2 divisions were all close. Sure the top and bottom teams were seperated by an amount similar to top and bottom now, but the graininess at the top was totally different.

by Buzzy on Sep 25, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the luxury tax, which has worked to slow payroll growth for most teams

However, I think there should be a "minimum payroll" for teams to get luxury tax money. For example, say the "minimum" was $60 million, teams that didn’t spend at least $60 million wouldn’t get anything. The Marlins had an Opening Day payroll of $36,834,000. They’re probably getting close to that amount in luxury tax from the higher payroll teams. To me, that’s unfair.

I hate salary caps. They don’t increase competitiveness. They only increase the owners’ profits. Much of baseball’s problems stem from inequities in local markets and fan bases. The MLB season is long and TV contracts are largely local. Salary caps enforce mediocrity through forced turnover of players. Ticket and concession prices aren’t capped.

I am a Red Sox fan. Fenway Park has some of the highest prices in baseball. The New England market will bear those prices and the ownership does what it can in terms of player personnel, etc., to make sure that the fans are willing to bear the burden of the high prices. If a baseball ever instituted a salary cap and my team’s payroll (the Yankees, Mets, Tigers, Angels, etc.) was the same as that of Pittsburgh or KC, I should also pay the same for tickets and concessions as a fan in those markets.

I think a "minimum payroll" to get luxury tax money would mitigate the problem that Travis G is talking about: the Lorias of MLB pocketing the luxury tax money rather than investing it in their team. Teams would have to spend in order to get the money, which would offset some of their costs. They could also chose not to spend—which is their right—but they wouldn’t get anything. In short, I think a minimum payroll would make small market teams (and those with cheap owners) more competitive.

I gotta go 'cause I'm probably definitely gonna nod out again.

by Drugs Delaney on Sep 25, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree

with the concept of a ‘salary floor’, but one aspect stick in my craw: it would increase inflation in MLB FAs.

imagine the Marlins’ payroll is $30 mil, and the floor is $50 mil. should they really be forced to spend $20 mil, even if the FA market is shitty and it would be a total waste of money? if they did, it would cause the next crop of FAs to expect even more money when their time came.

by Travis G on Sep 26, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

you have to make comparisons

based on percentages, not in ‘absolute terms’. of course more money is spent today. that goes for every aspect of American business.

while i agree that the disparity between the Yanks and the other top-level teams is wider than it used to be, the difference between the bottom and top teams aren’t that much greater than in years past.

the Marlins spent $36 mil. the top spending team in 1991, the A’s, spent $34 mil. but that $34 mil went much farther back then, which is why you need to use percentages.

a $10 million difference in payroll now might’ve been the equivalent of $2 mil 20 years ago (i dont know the specifics). the $ is worth less due to inflation, the increasing costs of FAs and the rising minimum wage. you gotta compare apples to apples.

by Travis G on Sep 26, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really think you don't

understand what information you need to specify what a distribution is telling you. You cannot specify a distrubution by looking at the width of the largest and smallest values. Of course you need to look at percentages-that is why I said that the Yankee payroll is 33% larger than the next one(in all of baseball)-that kind of thing never happened before in the era you mention. Not even close.

If you bin teams by salary now, the distribution has a fat tail on the high side. Thus looking at the top and bottom, even by percentage, is meaningless. The teams on the low end are in a sense closer to each other, while the top payroll teams are more gapped on the high end EVEN by percentages. So now if we look at payroll gap by percentage in each division:

2009:
AL East- 66%
AL Central-21%
AL West-15%

NL East-32%
NL Central-30%
NL West-22%

Now in 1995
ALEast-15%
AL Central-11%
ALWest-11%
NLEast-55%
NLCentral-15%
NLWest-13%

So what we see is that aside from the NLEast-no division had a top gap of even 20%, while in 2009 only one division had a top gap of LESS than 20%. The average gap was 20% (skewed by Atlanta’s huge gap). In 2009 the average gap was 31%. If you remove the single teams with the largest gap the difference is even more clear:13%(1995) vs 24%(2009)-almost double.

by Buzzy on Sep 27, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

BTW

not to point out the obvious but since I didn’t explicitly say-these are enormous differences, and it is “apples” to"apples."

by Buzzy on Sep 27, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm not sure what all those numbers mean

is that the percentage between the top two teams, the top and bottom teams, something else?

you’ve got to be a bit clearer. i want to understand what you’re trying to say before i respond.

by Travis G on Sep 28, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It is the gap

between the top payroll team in each division and the second highest payroll in each division. It is an indicator that it is harder and harder to compete with the top payroll regardless of the division structure, and that it is not just a single team that is outpacing the rest. What is disturbing is not that there are teams that linger at the bottom-(often those teams have owners that refuse to spend at all or are so mismanaged that they have braught a situation on themselves that cannot sustain a turn around in terms of fan base)-it is that even teams that spend a fair amount will have difficulty.

You mention the supposed “small” market teams that won. I am not so sure these teams were so small market. KC was a medium-high payroll team in the late 80s. Toronto was a high payroll team in the early 90s. Minnesota was a medium payroll team in the early 90s-not any different from the Phils last year (in percentage gap) or the Cards in 06. These statements are not indicative of anything really. Regardless, the payroll structure is developing a gap at the top (as defined above), and at least allowing more teams into the playoffs is one way to balance that-an imperfect one for sure, but something.

by Buzzy on Sep 28, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

why would you differentiate

between divisions? what does that have to do with anything?

the currently small market teams are the exact same cities and franchises that existed 20 years ago. it’s not the Yankees’ fault that they realized they could consistently spend the most. no one complained when it was Toronto and KC. iow, they didn’t have a problem outspending every other team then, so why are they now crying for financial aid? mismanagement has surely played a significant part in their recent runs of failures.

what’s your proposal, a salary cap? more revenue sharing? i wouldn’t have as big a problem with the luxury tax if there was some kind of salary floor.

by Travis G on Sep 30, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I differentiate

because that is how you get into the playoffs under the current system. If you abolish divisions (I think a good thing) you still have to contend with the changed payroll structure, which would still be there.

I would propose several things:
a)Top 4 teams make it regardless of division. Forget the fact that teams play different schedules.
b)A floor on the ability to accept luxury tax money. This is not a floor on salary, but a team cannot accept the money unless they have a minimum payroll. This is to encourage teams to pay what they maximally can, and not have rich owners pocket money.
c)A change in FA signing policy. Last year the Jays got screwed when they lost Burnett because they Yankees signed 2 other type A FAs and had protected picks due to compensation for draftees that did not sign. This has to change. I am not sure exactly what should be done, but a possibility is a cap on the # of type As a team can sign (lower than the number now), and an upper payroll limit on draft pick protection (when teams get protection for picks from players that didn’t sign even though said teams can afford to sign anyone they want they should perhaps not get protection on lost picks).
d)A change in the contract rules for draft picks an IFAs.

Who knows, but in my mind this would make things fairer and more competitive without introducing a true cap and without overly harsh penalties on teams that are willing and able to spend.

by Buzzy on Oct 1, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

#1: Hating the Wild Card now...

is weak sauce. Especially since the Sux are in because of it.

#2: Say what you want about Joba — but the kid is a Sox-slayer so I’ll take it. You can keep all the Javier Jose Vasquez Contreras’ you want.

by rosebud on Sep 26, 2009 12:52 AM EDT reply actions  

1. Best record only has real relevance in the same league. When it comes to the WS, there are too many discrepencies between the leagues to say the team with the better record is, in fact, the better team.

2. The WC isn’t to blame here – very often the WC team has a better record than at least one of the 1st place winners. Look at the Dodgers last year – they were a mediocre team well behind a dozen teams that didn’t make the playoffs, but because they were in the NL West, they got play in October. OTOH, look at the 1993 Giants, who missed the playoffs despite a 100+ win season because, inexplicably, someone thought ATLANTA should be considered a West Coast team.

3. The Wild Card Format (which includes the switch to 3 divisions per league and 2 rounds of playoffs) was planned BEFORE the strike. It was NOT an attempt to to win fans back from the strike, but to stop the erosion the sport was facing in the Michael Jordan era. At the time, the NBA was threating to, or perhaps actually had, move past baseball in popularity. Since then, baseball has recovered and grown dramatically, while basketball has faded a bit. What the WC had to do with this is, of course, a matter open to debate.

4. Another aim of the WC was to keep more teams competetive late in the season, which, by and large is what has happened. This may not have boosted TV ratings (which are down for almost everything), but it has boosted attendance, and has likely helped any number of smaller market teams (Seattle, most notably).

5. If all we worry about is that the team with the best record gets the title, we may as well forgo playoffs all together, and just have the best AL and NL teams face each other like they did before 1969. Hell, we may as well just hand the trophy to whichever of those two teams had the best record and forget the games, because God forbid the underdog wins it all.

by misterd on Sep 26, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

my rant is aimed at the wild card, but that is more a front for the divisional format. i’ve written in the comments that i would prefer no divisions at all, and take the top X teams from each league to the playoffs.

- ‘underdog’ is really just a romantic, emotional way to say ‘worse team’. they give the title to the best regular season team in the biggest European soccer leagues, and it works pretty well for them.

by Travis G on Sep 26, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

More teams, realignment

I’d go for 2 more teams in the AL (with some transfers), then split the whole thing up in four divisons a league, without a wild card. That’d be crazy…

I dunno, you could have a team again in poor ol’ MontrĂ©al, have it in the AL along with Toronto along with big spenders Boston and the Yankees in the AL… Northeast? And so forth… I just wonder how the schedule would look like under these circumstances.

Sure, smaller markets were more likely to be competitive (I mean retaining free agents and making trades to improve) in the pre-WC, reasonably priced era. Though sometimes, teams with emerging talent like the ’94 Expos, the ’03 Marlins, and the ’08 Rays can have some success. Such hope keeps smaller markets alive, which is healthy for the game/business.

The wild card has indeed “become a question of who gets hot at the right time”, just ask the 2007 Rockies… and then, look at the long layoff they had to go through waiting for the Sox.

It’s a quarter to two, please be kind! hehe

by The Nacho Fan on Sep 27, 2009 1:45 AM EDT reply actions  

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