HBP => brawl => ejections and possible injuries (Yankees lose 10-4)
by Travis G on Sep 15, 2009 11:22 PM EDT
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The ugly way the Yankees played tonight will get overshadowed by the eighth inning brawl.
The Yanks out-hit the Jays, 15-13, but Sergio Mitre thew batting practice, allowing a career-high four homers against none for Roy Halladay.
The fight went down as such: Mark Melancon hit Aaron Hill square in the back in the seventh inning (probably unintentional). In retaliation, Jesse Carlson threw behind Jorge Posada (certainly intentional), who had some words for the pitcher. Posada walked and came around to score on GGBG's double. As he crossed homeplate, he sort of bumped elbows with Carlson, and then it's unclear what exactly happened next. They never showed Posada's reaction to that, so I can only tell you what Carlson did: he turned and yelled something at Posada, who then came back and went after Carlson. It was nearly impossible to tell what happened in the middle of those 60 players (remember, being September, there were extra players surrounding the fight, making it impossible to discern what was occurring). What could be seen were Girardi's crew cut in the middle and (of course) Shelley Duncan wrestling with catcher Rod Barajas on the ground. The after-effects were evident: Carlson had a nasty bruise on his forehead, Girardi has a small cut on his ear and a potential shiner in his left eye, and CC Sabathia was rubbing his head. Posada seemed unhurt.
The brawl was reminiscent of the Knicks-Heat fight from years ago where Jeff Van Gundy got right in the middle and was hanging on for dear life. Joe Girardi was right in the midst of this tussle, trying to break it up to prevent ejections and injuries. The Yankees have a lot more to lose at this point than Toronto. Posada may well get suspended for several games. We should just hope no one is hurt.
As for the game...
It's what we should have expected. Mitre was Mitre, a replacement level pitcher. And to get 11 hits off Halladay was an accomplishment in and of itself, but the Yanks just couldn't get the big one (5-16 with RISP), leaving 12 runners on base.
Nick Swisher over-leaped a short-porch homer. He climbed nearly into the stands but the ball hit right on top of the wall (and about three feet to his right), bouncing into the stands.
A-Rod was thrown out at home on a fine play by rightfielder Jose Bautista and catcher Rod Barajas. Just one of those plays where it needs to be a perfect throw and a perfect tag, and it was. You can't fault Alex or Robby Thompson for that.
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is there video of this online yet?
I didn’t see the game and only learned of the brawl from someone’s facebook status (what a world we live in). On the one hand, I don’t want to see anyone hurt or suspended (though everyone’s going to be getting rested over the next couple of weeks anyway, and with the expanded rosters I guess it won’t hurt that much). On the other hand, sometimes a brawl can wake a team up, and the Yanks have looked a little lethargic lately.
by long time listener on Sep 15, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
check ESPN
Thank God for making us Yankees.
by noonoo on Sep 15, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
got that
That was pretty ugly. Glad their guy seems to have gotten the worst of it, I guess.
by long time listener on Sep 15, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jorge the idiot
i was surprised mlb had a video of whole thing up very quickly, i hope posada gets nailed with a good a nice suspension, this was so stupid and started completely by him, i think Aaron Hill getting hit is a LITTLE more serious than Posada getting thrown at, what an ego, if it was Tex or Aroid fine, but Posada is the one who freaks out endangering potentially his and his team mates health for the playoffs? Get your head out of your ass Jorge.
by Vladimir on Sep 16, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid Stupid Stupid
I’m fine with the Jays over reacting to Melancon’s pitch and throwing behind Jorge- the pitch was ass high, just where it should be.
I’m fine with Jorge sharing his world view with the pitcher from the batters box and on his way to first base.
I’m fine with Jorge getting an extra 5 days off. He deserves the rest and the suspension.
But Jorge can’t come back to Carlson- just keep running into the dugout. If one of the big guns gets hurt in a shoving match with the Blue Jays it could ruin the entire season.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Sep 15, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
iunno from what i saw it didn't look intentional or even that serious.
Carlson was too close to the plate and posada’s elbow just clipped the glove. It was nothing much and shouldn’t have warranted Carlson to react the way he did…
by lololol on Sep 15, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
You kind of knew something was going to happen when you saw Carlson drifting around home plate. I think Jorge knew it too and stuck his elbow out a little bit to ready himself a potential confrontation. But I don’t think that was justification for Carlson going all bonkers and screaming at Posada.
Thank God for making us Yankees.
by noonoo on Sep 15, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Jorge was already thrown out at that point when Carlson started yapping
Thank God for making us Yankees.
by noonoo on Sep 16, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus the ball was coming in from right field..
So if there was going to be any play at home carlson should’ve been on the blue jays dugout side of home plate not where he was.
by Yankz09 on Sep 16, 2009 6:31 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
you're joking right?
you have to be joking. that’s a ridiculous comment. watch carlson in the video above (there’s a clip halfway through which isolates his journey from mound to plate). he dutifully trots to home plate to back up a play, as every pitcher is supposed to. when it’s apparent there will be no play at the plate, he stops. he doesn’t run around to the other side of the plate for a throw that isn’t going to come.
the elbow by posada was entirely unjustified. posada has said so himself. if you guys are truly defending this as somehow carlson’s provocation, you’re deluded. the plate umpire, jim joyce, who was standing right there as contact was made, called it a “cheap shot” and immediately tossed posada from the game.
"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo
by zknower on Sep 16, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he was not even looking Posada’s direction
when Posada passed Carlson, Carlson was looking back behind home plate
the only thing I could fault Carlson for is not paying full attention to the play
by aagoodfella on Sep 16, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cuz he wasn't paying attention to the play....
you know that little annoying thing you can do to someone you want to fight…but don’t want to make it look like it was you…
Carlson knew what he was doing. No doubt. I blame Posada for not being the bigger man of the 2, but Carlson was not innocent at all. He wasn’t even close to being in position to backup. He had a ton of time to be at the the backstop, order take out with a fans phone, then still turn around and be in position.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 16, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UglyUglyUgly
But look at the bright side—-as you said: Jorgie gets some time off. And maybe Cervelli gets some PT!!!!!!!
-I'm the straw that stirs the drink.........Then I drink the drink too.------You're Welcome.
by ReggieARodJeter on Sep 15, 2009 11:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah we're now 6.5 in front. Still decent
but the Sox are slowly creeping back into the race…we need to string some wins together. Sox’s Fans cockiness really annoys the crap out of me.
by lololol on Sep 15, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow..not subjective at all here, huh? Hill was the second Jay batter hit tonight, Encarnacion was hit first…and the last time the two teams played, Randy Ruiz was hit in the face by Towers…3 Blue Jay batters in two games…if you think that throwing BEHIND, I repeat, behind Posada, who was the one who started the fight, BTW, is over the top, you are as pathetic as Massholes.
by d57fan on Sep 15, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Carlson isn’t exactly a rose in this dung pile, chasing Posada to the dugout on what looked like pretty minor contact. He was on the wrong side of the plate to have been backing up the play (as the Baseball Tonight guys pointed out).
I think Mitre’s pitch was intentional, but the other two are questionable at best. If you gave Josh Tower’s 7 chances I bet he could only hit you in the face twice.
Towers, Mitre, Melancon. Maybe Blue Jays fans are used to seeing guys with that little control, but they’re the Yankee scrubs.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Sep 15, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"If you gave Josh Tower’s 7 chances I bet he could only hit you in the face twice."
That’s hilarious!
by Raven King on Sep 16, 2009 6:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the contact was so "minor",
the ump had thrown Posada OUT OF THE GAME immediately after it occurred.
Give me a break.
"I think my motivation is to see the other guys in the clubhouse. They’re contending for the playoffs, and when I see that it gets into my body. I play like it’s the playoffs too" —Memlo
by zknower on Sep 16, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh, i see
you’re clearly an example of impartiality and objectivity. thanks for the lesson!
if you hadn’t noticed, Melancon had two WP in the game and has 10 BB in 16 ip. Carlson has 19 BB in 62 ip.
and i never wrote throwing behind Posada was ‘over the top.’ point me to where i wrote that. i’m waiting…
by Travis G on Sep 16, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Observations
Posada is classless, Shelley Duncan is a maniac, Girardi thinks he’s younger than he is, Carlson wanted that fight to occur by standing near the plate, Barajas has character, and the Jays still suck.
by Morris L. Tibbs on Sep 16, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Posada is classless (lol),
Shelley Duncan is a maniac (I don’t disagree.),
Girardi thinks he’s younger than he is (Here’s where you’re wrong. Accidental cheap shot by Jason McDonald. Girardi is pretty diesel.),
Carlson wanted that fight to occur by standing near the plate (He should be behind home plate.),
Barajas has character (Not arguing.),
and the Jays still suck (Truer words never been spoken. More so when Halladay leaves town.).
by BigSlim on Sep 16, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no right or wrong here
Captain Obvious says that these are just pro athletes competing.
by BigSlim on Sep 16, 2009 12:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I should have should have said Posada is a classless punk. He should have kept his emotions in check. The Jays had every right to hit a Yankee batter after Hill was hit in the back. And Carlson did it the right way…not at the head.
I also don’t think Girardi got that shiner from McDonald…it was just from being in the middle of that pile. Not a smart place to be for a manager.
by Morris L. Tibbs on Sep 16, 2009 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Girardi attended
the Jeff Van Gundy School of Managing.
i, for one, respect him for getting into the middle of that fracas to try to break it up.
by Travis G on Sep 16, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"As he ran past Carlson, he gave him a little shove with his elbow. It was very unsportsmanlike. The pitcher wasn’t looking for anything like that and he ran past him, didn’t say anything and just gave him a shove with his elbow. It was very unsportsmanlike. It was cheap shot," umpire Jim Joyce said.
by Morris L. Tibbs on Sep 16, 2009 12:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, well
The fear du jour…the view from the bunker
RS are playing for the WC, right?
Uhh…Nobody manages better from come-from-behind than Terry Francona.
Another big, ugly loss…for the Yanks, that coming on the heels of 2 Losses to the O’s from the
bottom of the division O’s, and this means,
Welcome to the horse latitudes of September….
Mitre, again, came in on a boom, with a 2-0 lead against the guy Jeter is claimed to admire more than
any pitcher in baseball, couldn’t hold it, and went home on a bus(t)
Girardi feeds this cannon fodder to the Jays, I guess, feeling
pretty confident that we’ll win two of three and bounce back from a shiner of a loss
(his shiner) and trounce the J’s, just like we did the Rays. Heck, that’s confidence.
But, Joe, the past is no predictor of future
events, though I’m sure you’d like to believe in the orderly, things can spin out of control very quickly.
Apologies to Mark Fydrych (rip)
The Sawx have quietly stabilized their bullpen with Billy Wagner’s one critic,
Jonathan (not the sharpest knife in the drawer) now gone silent.
Dice-K is pitching well, again.
As to Mitre: Really, why is he in the majors? Shouldn’t he be
pitching in a rehab league somewhere?
And now, it’s AJ’s arm or head. When he gets his Clint Eastwood on, there’s no contest, none.
Brilliant. Probably just worrisome thinking, but, here’s the bi-polar factor. Which AJ is going to show up, come October?
ejs
by ericjs on Sep 16, 2009 1:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dice-K is pitching well, again.
You mean those 6 innings? Ummm I wouldn’t count my poker chips yet.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Sep 16, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you panicking
with a 6.5 game lead?
by Travis G on Sep 16, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, kind of.
Now that Dandy Andy will miss his start tomorrow with fatigue in his left shoulder.
Both AJ and Joba are inconsistent.
And Sergio Mitre is still our No. 5 starter…
by Raven King on Sep 16, 2009 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll be content
when I see the season over and we are standing at the top,..the Red Sox have not shown any sign of losing lately and we still have that idiot Mitre pitching every time around..
by BlackandGoldSSgt on Sep 16, 2009 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 games
in the loss. Sox have to play, let’s see, the O’s, KC and the Tribe aside from the Yankees. Yanks have to go out West. and play 2 over 500 teams with good pitching. There is no way the Yankees should come close to blowing this lead (it would be 2007 Mets or Padres-like) but if the lead is only 3-4 in the loss when the teams play it will at least keep interest in that 3 game series.
by Buzzy on Sep 16, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees control their own destiny
Trust the Yankees, they’ve not let us down this year. Yes, Mitre sucks, but so what? Yes, AJ has had some problems, but he is very capable of getting that figured out. And CC is $$$.
by waw on Sep 16, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is
that if the Sox can get to the series against the Yankees down 4 or less in the loss it makes it interesting. A Sox win in that series (and particularly a sweep) is very unlikely, but remember 2 things. First, the Sox have the easier schedule. Aside from the Yankees, they have the 3 worst teams in the AL+Toronto left. The Yankees have KC but also a west coast stint where they play the Angels, the Mariners (and Hernandez) as well as the Rays who look dead right now but you never know. Second, If the Sox do take the Yankees series, they merely have to tie to win since they will have taken the season series. All is unlikely, but who knows. At least there would be some reason for me (as a Sox fan) to pay attention to the Yankees-Sox series since right now the Sox are closer to the Yankees in the loss than Texas.
by Buzzy on Sep 16, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup.
but don’t take those teams for granted (as Im sure the actually players aren’t…or at least shouldn’t be).
Those teams can be as dangerous as any this time a year
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 16, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The weird thing is that
nobody did anything wrong in my view until the fight started really. Two Jays were hit unintentionally(people should really look at the pitchers reaction to hitting a guy more often. Mitre’s reaction was that of someone who did not want to hit the guy). The Jays threw behind Posada. Also fine. Jorge yells at Carlson. Again, nothing wrong with that. Jorge brushes against Carlson,who was standing right in his path for some reason and may or may not have been looking for trouble, and did NOT throw an elbow at him. The only thing Jorge did was not avoid contact.
Then Jorge was ejected for doing almost nothing while Carlson yaps at him. He should have kept his cool, but I can see how that would be very difficult in that situation. The key for me here is that Jorge had already been tossed before he did anything wrong. He should be suspended for allowing himself to be baited, but I am not going to hold it against him.
by Mongo314 on Sep 16, 2009 2:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There is a lot of heated debate on the interweb about the rumble we were treated to and to be honest, it has already gotten tiresome. What’s done is done. There is no time machine we can hop into; there is no do over. Do we wish Posada didn’t let his emotions get the better of him? Of course, me, you, and everyone else.
When it’s all said and done, Posada will serve his 5 games (as deserved) as will Carlson.. No arguments there.
But then there’s all this back and forth about how the fracas could have injured someone and while true, it didn’t. If Giradi is the only Yankee emerge with a bloody ear and a black eye, I say thank our lucky stars it wasn’t CC or Derek and move on. There’s really no point in playing the what if game. I’m not trying to dismiss injury concerns; that’s the last thing we’d want or need but again, if our manager is he only one to be injured, there’s no real harm done. Giradi isn’t the one that has to take the field everyday.
At the end of the day, our 38 year old catcher will get the rest a 38 year old catcher needs going into the postseason.
Thank God for making us Yankees.
by noonoo on Sep 16, 2009 2:46 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Posada missing 5-6 game might hurt, this team doesn't do good without him...
All in all it was a Mitre vs. Halladay game, no one expects a win. They got 10 hits against Doc, so kind of a WTF what’s with the Cano syndrome.
Kinda like last Sunday tho…a win manana today everyone forgets on this.
The Pissants are not coming back either…save that talk (don;t we all remember when 4 games sounded incredible?) Win today and they split the homestand. Not exactly what you want……but remember that part where if they maintained .500 the rest of the way, they still make the playoffs?
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 16, 2009 7:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts...
Towers never meant to hit Ruiz 2 weeks ago. Mitre hitting Encarncion wasn’t on purpose. Melancon’s wild…didn’t hit Hill on purpose. Cito Gaston is wrong to assume that Hill was hit on purpose, hence why he had Carlson throw behind Posada. Carlson isn’t throwing behind Posada without Gaston ordering it. That’s why Posada was pissed, since he knew that the Jays guys didn’t get hit on purpose since if they were hit on purpose…he’d know it & expect to be thrown at after the fact.
Girardi isn’t gonna order someone to be thrown at considering the game is out of hand vs. a 4th place team. The video shows Carlson freaking out when Posada walked toward the mound after the pitch and the 3B ump having to push him back to avoid a brawl there. Carlson was near the Yanks dugout for a reason, to say his piece on more time & turned a little bump into a brawl. Jorge was wrong to flap his elbow like that, but he’s somewhat protecting himself in case Carlson does something since he shouldn’t have been there in the 1st place.
Shelley Duncan is a thug that’s already done this once (spring training vs. Tampa) & was told never to do that again….who does he think he is running out to be Hulk Hogan & brawl with Barajas? Duncan’s act in the clubhouse has long been an issue in NY & in AAA where he’s been told to watch himself…it’s well documented!
Jorge was wrong to react to Carlson’s words & put himself before the team! He deserves 5 games & shouldn’t appeal. Carlson will get the same for his role & throwing the 1st punch. Duncan will probably get 5 as well.
We’ll know tonight or tomorrow after the tapes have been reviewed!
by JustinS1 on Sep 16, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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