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The Johnny Damon Question

Is Johnny Damon the best fit for New York in 2010?

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Is Johnny Damon the best fit for New York in 2010?

Most people in the press and in the blogosphere have written Hideki Matsui's pinstriped swan song.  He'll be 36 years old next season, and he has only been the DH in the 77 games he's started.  He was limited to pinch hitting throughout inter-league play.

Johnny Damon, on the other hand, has enjoyed such a resurgence in New Yankee Stadium that he has created a question where before the season his $13M spot in the budget seemed destined for other pockets.

Take a look at the potential 2010 free agent position players, courtesy of Cot's.

Some highlights:

Nick Johnson, Mark DeRosa, Chone Figgins, Bobby Abreu, Rick Ankiel, Johnny Damon.

What player on that list gives the Yankees the most flexibility and the most value?  

Johnson seems to always be hurt, DeRosa has more value in the NL, and Figgins has lost a step in the field and on the base paths.  Abreu seems happy in LA, while Ankiel might be foolish to leave the protection of Tony LaRussa's steroid enabling clubhouse.

So, the 13 million dollar question: Is Johnny Damon, professional DH and 4th outfielder, the best choice for the Yankees?  How many years would you be willing to go; one, one and an option, two years?

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"Figgins has lost a step in the field and on the base paths"

To quote Kevin Spacey in “Superman Returns” WRONG! Leads the league in runs and 4th in steals.

by fob22 on Aug 9, 2009 11:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Caught stealings are as important as stolen bases.

2005 62-17 78%
2006 52-16 76%
2007 41-12 77%
2008 34-13 72%
2009 33-12 73%

Figgins was never great at picking when to run, and the last two seasons he’s be worse. He’s also playing fewer positions than ever.

"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."

by jscape2000 on Aug 9, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with jscape200

Not to diss figgins but the percent caught rates are way to high. Not impressive. we need to sign damon for one year with a club obtion for 2011

by dan.altman89 on Aug 9, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Johnny

But I’d probably not go more than one year, with a club option for a second.

by waw on Aug 9, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I like Damon where he is right now and he’s swinging the bat okay. Damon is also a pretty decent fielder too. Yea, I wouldn’t go over one year with him though. A couple of those players would definitely not leave their team such as Abreu, Ankiel, or Figgins. So Damon seems like the best choice out of those 6.

by nyydevoted on Aug 9, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Figgins would be an excellent player to have on the team

but I doubt he leaves LAAAA.

Id put Figgins in LF if Damon is insistent on a multi year deal actually.

But Johnny should stay with the Yanks. The Pissants still, regardless of the picks they got or the fact taht JD Drew is decent, def. miss Damon. I don’t know where he’s play, but he’d play somewhere. The guy has one of the most consistent bats in the game still.

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 9, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i still like johnny

Hes good where he is and I agree with WAW one year with an option for two

Yankees fan

by amench29 on Aug 9, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure Damon is the best choice ....

These are the outfielders we’ll have under contract:

1. Melky
2. Gardner
3. Swisher

Then come the free agents that we currently have:

1. Damon
2. Matsui
3. Hinske
4. Nady
5. Hairston

I’ll be honest … I like Swisher, but he’s maddening at times. I’d like to see the Yanks give Hinske the full-time job for a week in right as an experiment … something tells me that Hinske will do a better job than Swisher, particularly in the field. If you take a look at their stats, they’re similar, with Hinske having a higher .BA. They have nearly identical OBP, so Hinske will prolong a few more innings rather than Swisher does.

I think Melky deserves a starting job, and I’d leave it up to Gardner, AJax, and Hinske to battle it out for the last two outfield jobs.

In addition, with Jorge becoming 39 next season, and the emergence of Francisco Cervilli, I think it makes sense to let Jose Molina go, and have Cervilli and Posada split the catching duties, with Cervilli getting the lion’s share of the starts, and having Posada DH when he’s not catching.

Not signing Damon allows the Yanks the luxury of keeping ARod and Jeter in the lineup as the DH when Posada catches for the irregular half-day off.

Plus, I think they want to cut the budget, and not signing Damon allows them to cut at least 10 million from the budget.

by .ryan on Aug 9, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I left out what I do with Swisher ...

Trade ’em. Get a good pitching prospect for him, not necessarily a top level prospect, but perhaps someone they can count on for middle relief.

by .ryan on Aug 9, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Swisher

I disagree, he has an intangible that is not shown on the field, his clubhouse antics. I also feel his outfield play can be maddening at times but he has brought some fresh air into a historically stuffy, stale clubhouse

by OJNottheOnlyJUICE on Aug 9, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Respectfully disagree

I think Swisher has more value as an every day player than Hinske. Hinske’s numbers are skewed since he’s only starting in matchups that favor him hitting-wise. I really like Hinske off the bench though. I agree with Juice that Swisher’s intangible clubhouse presence should not be underestimated (along with Burnett’s). I wouldn’t trade him especially with most of the current outfield “depth” (term used loosely with Matsui and Nady) slated as free agents (Matsui, Nady, Damon).
The Yanks traded a mid-level pitching prospect Johnny Nunez (sp?), who is a middle reliever and pitched against the Yanks in Chicago last week, to get Swisher in the first place. I doubt that the FO would make the same move in reverse regardless of whether it is the right move since it would make them look like they can’t make up their mind on which direction they want to go.

by Mo42 on Aug 9, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hinske is the worst option for a starter

he can’t field for his life.

Swisher for all his mistakes is still not a bad OF, and his power # as an OF more than make up for it too.

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 9, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damon

Give him two years. He is a good hitter; an adequate fielder, and an excellent team player. Johnny is a decent, and unselfish person. I know he’ll be 38-39 in two years, but if he takes care of himself, the Yankees will get the right productivity from him.

by bongoman19 on Aug 9, 2009 12:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damon

One year max to DH. Any more in years cuts too much into our flexibility down the road. I wouldn’t mind letting him go

My preference would be to let all the free agents except Andy and Hairston go and I would sign either Rafael Soriano or Mike Gonzales of the Braves to set up Mariano with the possibility of following Mariano as Yankee closer if Mariano ever gets old.

Posado, Cervelli
Texeiro, Cano, Jeter, Arod, Pena and Hairston
Jackson, Gadrner and Melky with Swisher as DH

Rotation:
CC, AJ, Joba, Andy and Hughes
Gaudin as the long man
Mariano, Soriano, Acevas, Cook, and three from Albaladejo, Bruney, Ramirez, Robertson, Melancon Marte and Kroenke

by Jtmc on Aug 9, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gaudin

i have seen him pitch. He is more than serviceable as a 4th or 5th starter so he should be a solid long man. As for Marte – He is a good pitcher who just happened to get hurt. Pitchers do get hurt. Criticizing Marte reminds me of all those yankee fans who thought that Hughes was worthless because of his performance early last year. Try pitching with broken ribs. Hopefully Marte will eventually return and be what most analysts think – a solid set up man

by Jtmc on Aug 9, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a little leary of signing ex-ATL pitchers

with Farnsworth and Jaret Wright fresh in my mind.

by Mo42 on Aug 9, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention

Let’s hope Smoltz never ends up on this list as well.

by ROCNation on Aug 9, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Swisher as DH?

Damon is a much better hitter than swisher, and I guarantee that Johnny will be back next year. I really doubt that jackson gardner and melky are going to be our three everyday outfielders. Considering they are all generally centerfielders, jackson especially is going to need more experience than just jumping into the starting job. I also doubt that swisher is going to be our everyday DH, thats just nonsense.

by dan.altman89 on Aug 9, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd bring him back

Damon is a good player, and he’s only better in Yankee stadium. Bring him back as a DH and part time OF. He wants to come back, and he’s getting older. Those are two things that will allow him to return at a cheap price, and let us spend the money coming off the books elsewhere, instead of bringing a 120 million dollar guy to replace Damon.

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 9, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if he wants to sign an Abreu esque contract

of one more year for 5 mil ill do it but if he wants more than one year or double digits i would say no

by Brian5517209 on Aug 9, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well......

If they win the World Series you can’t expect any real significant changes

by Gangsta Yanksta on Aug 9, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Don’t change something that works

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 9, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time is the great changer

and it’s been proven over many years, that if you make no changes, you get worse.

Case in point: Our infield is playing defense well above what it has done in recent history, and it isn’t all just because of the huge upgrade we got by replacing the Giambino with Tex. Do we really think Jeter and Cano (and to a lesser extent, ARod) will carry this over to next year? I expect Jeter, at least, to revert a bit as he gets a little older. So, we have to be prepared to rest him some, maybe with some games at DH.

As for the outfield, if you let Damon and Nady and Matsui all go, sure you get younger, but you also wind up with the weakest hitting outfield in all of baseball. Is that the direction we really want this team to go?

by waw on Aug 9, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We could have a very fast and excellent defensive outfield. The idea of Gardner, Jackson and Melky patrolling the outfield and hitting 7, 8 and 9 doesn’t bother me at all though I would probably bat Melky 2nd to take advantage of his switch hitting .

The Yankees are going to both cut their budget and continue to get younger. Damon doesn’t fit that description

by Jtmc on Aug 9, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would be great

The Rays would hate us too lol

by nyyrocks29 on Aug 9, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Crawford

Tampa has a club option on crawford and since they were trying top trade him they may not pick it up. If they pick it up they have to give him 10 mil or buy him out for 1.25M. We should not resign Damon. Bay will be a free agent at the end of the season and we need to keep the DH spot free for some of the older gusy still on the roster.

chandler knight

by ae2cdk on Aug 10, 2009 2:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Ajax?

I think the biggest question regarding Damon is “When is Jackson ready for the bigs?” Assuming Melky and Gardner don’t end up in a trade somewhere, both should be considered full time, or at least in a three way platoon between CF and RF.

The DH is going to be Posada’s spot more and more in the next few years, so don’t count on Damon or Swisher or anyone else filling that bill. With a few young catchers in the minors seemingly ready to step in, this seems like a foregone conclusion (but a good one for the team as well)

I agree with the comments about Swisher’s intangibles. He has been a good pickup for many reasons and I see him fitting in for the next few years, either as a fourth outfielder or in a RF platoon situation with Melky. (Incidentally, compare Swisher’s numbers to Paul O’Neill’s before he came to the Yanks, I think there is still room for him to become a beloved regular on this team)

As for Damon, I see him in LF until Austin Jackson is ready, at which point Melky or Garnder slides over and Jackson takes over CF. So one year or two for Damon might be the perfect fit. Beyond that he’ll have probably lost a step or two, and Ajax will be ready to step in.

by Gday2000 on Aug 9, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One would think that the Yanks might also make a move for Holliday.

Which would probably eliminate the possibility of Damon being picked up for another year.

by upCHUCK on Aug 9, 2009 6:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

On the contrary...

Money has never been the stumbling block for the yanks – its position depth. If they move on Holliday in the off season (which I hope they do not btw), that will require that they give up one of the three CFs (probably Ajax) or one of the Catchers (probably Montero). If the former happens, they will need Damon more to secure their OF – they will gladly pay him a reasonable 2-3 year contract extension if they need an OF.

by Gday2000 on Aug 9, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holliday is a FA

if you are talking about HALLADAY, then I agree they don’t need to get involved….well really Holliday and Halladay should be allowed to got anywhere they want.

I don’t want Holliday, and while Halladay would be nice, as we’ve seen with CC, AJ and Joba, that could be a nice top 3. Hughes back in the rotation and allowed to grow? Nice.

Position players aren’t really needed aside from re-signing Johnny (and I still say, if Matsui wants 1 year $5-6 Mill, do it, that’s a nice bat on the bench or DH or whatever).

Pitcher? Hughes is back in the rotation permanently, no questions about that (at least from the Org., there will be cretins to argue that Hughes TO THE PEN FIRE GIRARDI SKIN A-ROD!)

Bring Andy back? Maybe (I say no.) If we’re gonna trade the farm for a pitcher, I say we kick the tires again on King Felix or even see if the Royals want to get something for Zach Greinke (…..no idea if that’s even an option of course).

Yanks could take a flier on Eric Bedard (4-5th starter, 1 year deal to prove himself, no argument from me) Joel Pineiro, Jarrod Washburn (why are these guys all former Mariners?)

I say the Yanks bring up someone like McAllister or take a flier on one of the aformentioned SP’s and stay away from Halladay. If they can swing a deal for King Felix? Do it.

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 9, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

on your "take a flier" idea

how about Rich Harden
when healthy he is studly

by Brian5517209 on Aug 9, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harden may be OK

if its a Brad Penny, 1 year $5 mill type flier.

Guy is TOO injury prone tho and he’s pitching well so may want a big deal.

Ben Sheets ditto for the Brad Penny flier.

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 9, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bring back

Abreu , while I do not know if he would come back. I like bobby hitting second and being a DH or left fielder. As long as he is mostly a DH.

by yankeechaser on Aug 9, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Damon

is such a smart hitter. He’s adjusted to the stadium better than anyone. Just like anyone at his age he’s lost some bat speed (the homer he hit off the 98 mph fastball last night was a down and in pitch that would speed up any left-hand hitters bat) but he looks for pitches to pull in certain situations. He’s good enough to cheat on one pitch but adjust to another if he gets it. He’s maximizing his value by altering his approach just a bit and it has really paid off. He isn’t swinging for the fences and abandoning a solid all-around approach at the plate. He’s made an adjustment that few guys can make. He’s looking to pull in certain sitautions and looking for certain pitches in certain situations. He hits according to the situation. He gets on base a lot, fouls off pitches, plays hurt ans steals bases. His agent is Boras and I get the feeling he’ll look to to get maybe two or three years guaranteed at about 11 mil per. That I would not do. If they can come up with a one-year deal with an option, for about say 7 million guaranteed, I’d do it. He’s been a great Yankee and is noting but a positive influence.

by chambliss76 on Aug 10, 2009 7:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OUTFEILD

TRIE TO SIGN DAMON TO 2 YEARS,SWISH IS GREAT IN CLUBHOUSE AND DOES A HELL OF JOB IN RIGHT FEILD

by JEETS on Aug 10, 2009 8:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

More than a DH

Why does everyone refer to Damon as LF/DH, and say “we need to dump Damon to free up our DH spot”? Did anyone notice that Damon has been playing pretty much every day in left field? When Matsui is not the DH, that spot has been going to Posada, Jeter, or A-Rod. Damon never takes the DH spot anymore. He’s shown he’s still got great range in LF, and his noodle-arm hurts him less there than it did in center. Damon is showing more power as he gets older, with a possibility of jacking 30 this year. Because of the short porch, he’s more valuable to the Yankees than to any other team. He is also very likeable, a team player, always hustles, and is great with the media. If we think we can let him go for someone younger and better, we’ll be sorry very soon. Just like the Red Sox let him go for “younger and better” Coco Crisp. How did that turn out?

by B Rose on Aug 10, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Johnny hasn't been injured this year

like he has been for the past couple years. That was usually cuz of reckless play in the OF anyway.

He’s either been lucky with that or just toned it down a bit as far as running into walls.

Johnny, like Jeter, is in excellent shape. The guy just seems to have no slow down.

The fact he can still turn on a 98 mph fastball like he did last night more than proves he’s just not a guy who will turn on changeups, he can still turn on anything.

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 10, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll tell yall 1 thing

At 35 going on 36 next year the guy is making a case to stay at least one more year. It’ll come down to the moolah obviously.

But note this: his career high in HRs was (24) the first year he played here in 06.

(21) now,with almost2 months to go.

by ReggieARodJeter on Aug 10, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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