Fire Joe Girardi*
by jscape2000 on Aug 23, 2009 7:00 AM EDT
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*Ok, I don't really mean that, but this post is dedicated to Joe's stupidest move in a while.
It's funny how the complete collapse of the starting pitching can cause us to overlook serious problems in the field (ok, maybe it's just me). I forgot to lambast Joe Girardi for starting Eric Hinske in left field yesterday, after that worked so well on Friday.
Fire Joe Girardi.
Why wasn't Hinske out there taking extra balls off the wall before Saturday's game started?
Fire the entire coaching staff.
If Jerry Hairston couldn't play left, Brian Cashman should have brought up Shelley Duncan or John Rodriguez to take a few ABs.
Fire Brian Cashman.
/end sarcasm
We're 6 games up on the loss side, and we still have the best record in baseball. I'm not really worried, but it's important to keep track of stupid. And starting Eric Hinske in left field is stupid. I can't believe I thought for a moment that he could have played third base.
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What an idiot!
Hey jscape, wake up and smell the coffee…Hinske is an excellent ball player…Fenway is a tough place t play for anyone…Hinske has ower, hits well and is a decent fielder.. Girardi does ot give him enough playing time…The bigger roblem is Posada call a crappy game and defensively is horrible..We need to see Molina behind te plate more often and when September rolls around Cervelli…Girardi does NOT use his personnel well…He overworks Rivera. He underuses Hinske. He overuses ARod…and the list goes on…
by jmayall on Aug 23, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hinske....
you call someone an idiot cuz you want to see Hinske on the field?
Hinske SUCKS in the field. That’s why he doesn’t play a lot. He played left only cuz RF is like LF in Yank stadium, its massive (and so is Hinske, so no he don’t belong out there.)
And Id rather not defend Posada again, its getting tiring. I’ll summarize: Read jscape’s fanshot, AJ’s been good with Posada back there, and we MISSED THE PLAYOFFS WITHOUT POSADA FOR A REASON! THE TEAM IS NOT AS GOOD WITHOUT POSADA IN THE LINEUP! And don’t give me he should be DHing, cuz Matsui should be DHing.
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 23, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this tired BS
being played out again? Posada doesn’t know how to call a game? What the hell does that ring on his finger from the year he caught without Girardi say? Just ridiculous.
by potroast on Aug 23, 2009 10:27 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
left out
heinskie in left com on he can not catch a cold if you injected him.get him out of left .bad move joe
BIG YANKEE FAN,FROM MASS. HAVE TO PUT UP WIYH ALL THESE HOLE SOX FANS
by JEETS on Aug 23, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was he really not out there taking extra fly's in LF?
I don’t know…But sometimes guys who played there for years have trouble. He sucked in the 20-11 game too, then again Melky wasn’t all that great when he switched to LF.
I think the way he played may have happened to Damon too. LF is a tough beast in this hole of a stadium; makes me respect Manny a whole lot more. Jason Bay was decent in LF for the Pirates, and he’s well below average now in Bahston.
Hairston, (or worse yet Shelley Duncan who would probably have been a disaster out there) may have did better, but its tough out there and really takes a while to become good out there.
Was Girardi dumb for putting Hinske out there? Probably, but when you take Damon’s bat out the lineup, Hinske’s the only one on the bench that can semi-replace Johnny.
Hinske, and for that matter Posada (still can’t believe some people are on this.) are not the reason we lost yesterday.
The one thing I’ll agree with on the anti-Posada sentiment is that Jorge should not catch AJ the next time out, just to see what goes on there. Maybe Jorge will pick up on something. Not for the rest of the season, but just give Jorge a day off or DH there next time out.
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 23, 2009 9:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
.....mind wanders this early...
the reason the Yanks lost was cuz A) AJ sucked, B) the Yankee bats got cold with RISP again and C) the Bahston bats weren’t done from the night before (while the Yankee bats were).
2 weird games in a row (nothing new for a Fenway series-need only check at the last series these 2 met there).
I’d think tonight is a pitchers duel, but it just seems that a Yank-Pissant game in Fenway never goes according to plan. Unfortunately it usually favors the Monstah dwelling cretins, but that would stick to the script too much now wouldn’t it?
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 23, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should not be in left...
and obviously that showed Sat. Why are you defending Heinske? He played like crap. Garbage all around, from Cano’s laziness out of the box, on every at bat, too Burnett throwing meatballs dead center , waist high, too of course Heinske playing like crap. No panicking, but that was a beat down, fair and square. Let’s go get them tonight and , if it were my birthday, i would want CC to shutout the Sux and we whallop the hell out of Beckett. As always…………………GO YANKS!
by McDaniel on Aug 23, 2009 10:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FIRE GIRARDI
Bonehead moves like this could make us lose this lead.
by bronxbound on Aug 23, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Enough with the panic
The Yankees have already won 6 games on a very tough 10 game roadie, with the possibility of a seventh tonight. They’ll head home with at least a 5.5 game lead with 38 to play. Damon will be back soon, the pen (the part that doesn’t suck) is rested, and it’s still good to be a Yankees fan. Who cares that they have trouble in Fenway? If these two teams face off in the playoffs, the Yankees will have home field advantage, and Girardi will pitch AJ at Yankee Stadium.
I’m one of the ones who loves to complain about Girardi’s moves, but facts are facts – he has this team playing on fire since the ASB, with the best record in baseball. One ugly loss changes nothing. Hell, after Friday’s game we were all talking sweep, and now one day later people are crying that the Yankees are doomed. Whatever you’re taking, try lowering the dosage…
by waw on Aug 23, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could say that same about you bud.
You must be on some great meds yourself to think that Girardi is responsible for how well this team is playing. You don’t experiment during a series with your direct rivals in a playoff race, period. Girardi’s managing has caused this team to lose many more games than it has won. I have no idea why the internet makes people feel like they are on a high horse. Come down man.
by bronxbound on Aug 23, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how is Girardi experimenting
when his starting LF is hurt?
Hairston is OK, but Hinske is a better hitter. He has played OK so far in the OF tho in his career he’s been below average.
And how come Girardi always has nothing to do with winning and everything to do with losing? THat makes no sense whatsoever.
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 23, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess Matsui is not able to play LF ever again.
Damon scares me more out there in left than Matsui does.
by bronxbound on Aug 23, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why does Damon scare you?
he’s not as fast as he used to be, but he’s a CF playing LF.
There’s better fielders yea, but not many better hitters. He can field his position, so what’s the big deal?
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 24, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damon is pretty bad out there, lol. Not Cody Ransom bad, but bad. But yeah, his offensive production, especially now that he’s hitting HR’s, begs for him to be out there, since Matsui really can’t play with his bum knees.
by Wraithpk on Aug 24, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what?
who cares if hinske cant play left! its the last week of august and guys need their rest. we have a nice lead and we can afford to put hinske in left and molina at third. Give the bench some work to keep their legs fresh. How could anyone want to have shelly duncan over hinske?
by eddieo311 on Aug 23, 2009 11:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hopefully
We won’t have to worry about it. Damon is supposed to go on Sunday so hopefully that will be the end of the hinske to left experiment. The only reason he won’t go is if Joe wants to give him two more days with the upcoming day off anyway. As long as C.C. Pitches a good game we get the series and for all intents and purposes the division.
by swanny4eva on Aug 23, 2009 11:35 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Rubber Game
If we win sunday none of it matters.
by Fluke on Aug 23, 2009 1:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
reading comprehension...
The point was not that I wanted Hinske in left, I was simply making the point that he is a viable alternative and NOT a bad fielder(there was no one else currently on the roster to use in his stead) out of place in Boston perhaps, but an adequate fielder with a powerful/reliable bat…As for Posada, those rings are like him. OLD news…Catchers are not as productive behind the plate at his age and need to be more athletic (Cervelli)…His arm is shot and he has NEVER been a great defensive catcher/game caller…He was fortunate all those championship years to have great pitchers throwing to him…His bat has always been potent and he is a good player, but not the same catcher he was in the 90’s…The Yankees need to continue to get younger and more athletic and Girardi needs to learn how to use his entire roster better and get some rest for the regulars as we approach the playoffs…He needs to quit using Rivera for 4 outs, period the end…All we have to do at this point is continue to win each series and we will be fine…It does not matter who wins the most games, but rather who finishes first…It is still too early to think that we have the East wrapped up…There is alot of baseball yet to be played…A win today would be BIG…Go Yankees!!!
by jmayall on Aug 23, 2009 2:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
reply button por favor.
I didn’t say you wanted him in left, I asked why the hell you want to see him in the field at all…..(they could have used Hairston, but you lose bench flexibility instead.
Posada has a very good arm (if Cano catches the ball on Friday, Ellsbury is dead in the water on that steal); its the fact he has too many brain farts with his glove.
The rings may be ancient history to some, but 2008 they missed the playoffs cuz they didn’t have Jorge and had an automatic out in Molina catching entirely too much of the time.
Jorge is a fine catcher, AJ has thrown just fine to him in the past. And Jorge is pretty damn productive at the plate right now, I really don’t know what you are watching.
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 23, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
outofdr
well ! theres no team in the majors that has 25 gold glovers neverd the lest 9 position players that are super stars.and one thing is for sure is that we have a gold glove at first base, shortstop,3b,and a very good second base in cano,and we have melky wich is very good in center, hinske is a bench player and very good at it and nick is just nick out there in right field,we have and ok catcher and a great back up in molina we have a very good #1 and #2 in cc and aj,and andy has been very good and joba in case of something was to happen we have phill and mariano 8th and 9th and game is over robertson has been good and alfredo acevez very good. so we fine .thank you
by outofdr on Aug 23, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
outofdr
A FINE CATCHER WELL I DON’T THINK YOU BEEN WACHING THIS TEAM FOR LONG TIME HIS A FINE BAT BUT HE IS NO FINE CATCHER AND IF HE IS A FINE CATCHER HOW MANY GOLD GLOVE DOES HE HAS?
JUST GO AND CHECK THE SPLIT WHEN AJ PICH TO MOLINA AND WHEN HE DOES TO POSADA,REMENBER LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST TIME MIKE MUSSINA WON 20 GAMES YOU KNOW WY MOLINA IS WHY,HOW MANY PITCHERS HAS COME TO THE YANKS AND NEVER PEND OUT JUST ASK YOU SELF WHY?
HIS GAME CALLING IS SO BAD REMENBER THIS IN THE YEARS THEY WERE WINING THE WOLD SERIES HE NEVER HAD NEW PITCHER THEY ALL WERE VETERENS,ROGER ,DAVID CONE, ANDY ,EL DUQUE, DAVID WELLS ALL GOOD PITCHERS AND MARIANO RIVERA.
REMENBER IN 07 IN THE DIVISION SERIES WITH THE INDIANS YOU REALIZE HE WAS THE ONE THAT BLEW THE SERIES COUSE HE WAS ABLE TO HANDLE JOBA NASTY PITCHES IN THE GROUND. PLEASE POSADA IS A GOOD BAT AND TERRIBLE CATCHER
by outofdr on Aug 23, 2009 3:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sir, there is no need for shouting, which is what an all caps post is called on these inter-webs. It’s rude.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Aug 23, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its games like that
which made you really miss Gardner because u could’ve slid Melky to LF yesterday since Johnny was banged up. Girardi really didn’t have a choice but to go with Hinske.
by ReggieARodJeter on Aug 23, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Forgot to make that point.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Aug 23, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about we debate about Mo for Cy Young ?
by CCArvin on Aug 23, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yah, it would be nice but
he won’t get it.
by Peter Lacock on Aug 23, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would fire Girardi over a few games when your team has the best record right now, that just seems a little ridiculous to me.
by nwahs s on Aug 23, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
because he is a dusche
and if they had a just average manager mind you the lead would be huge and we would be discussing whether or not they were as good as the 98 team.I do not think they are but we would be discussing it if Joe jr were elsewere.
by cashman bashman on Aug 23, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes.
If we had an average manager, we’d still have the best record in baseball? Are you frickin serious?
Is Ed around? Can I be let off the leash just ONCE!???
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 23, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
dont be ridiculous. girardi may not be on the same level as torre was(yet..), he is doing a fine job of managing this team. his good stradegy definitely outweighs the decisions that i thought were objectionable, no question about it. i have yet to see a decision made by girardi that have cost the yankees a game.
by typhical on Aug 23, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fire Griardi
If Girardi needs to be fired, it’s for what he learned from Torre, who should have been fired five years earlier.
I defy anyone to explain bringing Pettite out for the sixth after he got hammered in the fifth after the long wait. I can understand not pulling him in the fifth; big lead and he can get the win. But again in the sixth? makes no sense.
And where has Hughes been? They find a good thing and then forget about him?
C’mon, Joe. Forget the other Joe’s stupidity with pitchers!
by DanBH on Aug 23, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know one person that will disagree!
David Wells pitched perfect game, Jorge Posada catching. Sunday, May 17, 1998
“He only shook me off twice and told me that the reasons were that the ball he had wasn’t the right feel for the pitch that he called,” said catcher Jorge Posada. “All in all, we were very much in tune with one another throughout the game.”
by Tricon11 on Aug 23, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only other move Girardi had was
Hinske in RF and Swish in LF but then you weaken 2 positions instead of one. With Tazawa vs. Burnett, Joe did the right thing.
by Peter Lacock on Aug 23, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pitching staff
the majority of the time when a mgr screws up its because of a pitching move or lack there of, not a bad move defensively. Managing the pitching staff is more important. Ive seen girardi leave people in too long a number of times this year, whether its the starters or the relievers. That is whats going to make or break the season, not hinske in left.
by eddieo311 on Aug 23, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wonder if bradshaw and Girardi are in love?I have never seen such a blind love of a sub par manager.Your seriously gonna tell me he is elite?Like I said if they had a good or even average manager this team would have more wins.The guy is average at best right now and the team constantly makes up for his shortcomings.He could get better?But right now you thinking he is a good to great manager makes me question what you are watching.Cmon tell me he is great it is not hard to shoot it down.Lots of guys have had good seasons with great teams,does not make him good more less elite.
by cashman bashman on Aug 24, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I aint gonna refer to you thinking of man love...
but when did I tell you he’s elite? Who the Fk is an elite manager?
What fan in the history of baseball doesn’t hate the manager? You were probably the first one to rip Torre, and he won 4 WS for the Yanks. Pissant fans rip Francona all the time and he did what no manager did in 86 years.
And no, a subpar or average manager would have this team playing average right now. An idiot manager would listen to the press and fans and keep Joba in the pen, bench Posada, and do most of the other stupidity most fans ask for.
He’s an above average guy for the job; it doesn’t matter who’s in office for the Yanks, there will always be a thousand FOOLS who bash the hell out of everything he does.
I never said I ‘love’ the manager, but I aint gonna blindly throw my bullshit against the wall and air it out for everyone to hear like you seem to love to do.
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 24, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fire the manager, Bench the catcher, Kill the umpire!
Stop the crying!
It’s easy to criticize the manager for making changes to the starting lineup, or as the game is in progress.
Just remember there are more factors involved for making changes other then the ones, (we the fans) see, this is not a computer game.
The main one is called the human factor. Which we the fan, does not know, and never will!
With that said, yea I don’t like some of the moves Girardi has made. Was it really necessary to give a rest to 3 and half starters in the 10 – 3 loss to Seattle. At the time Cano was on fire, you never sit a player who is doing well. In the next three games Cano is 0 -12. Now with that said for all I know Cano may have not been feeling well.
As far as Jorge Posada goes this is his 15th season, and yes he has slowed down. But as far as calling pitches for a game, it would be hard to find someone better.
The umpires, ok we can kill them LOL!
by Tricon11 on Aug 24, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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