Winning streak comes to an end: Jays top Yankees, 5-4
by Travis G on Aug 10, 2009 11:01 PM EDT
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PrintI'll give the Yanks a mulligan on this one after the weekend sweep over the Red Sox. It was a close game that could've gone either way, but it happened to go Toronto's way tonight. Sergio Mitre may have made his last start as a Yankee after yet again failing to get past five innings (allowing five runs (three earned)).
The turning point probably occurred way back in the first, when the Yanks proverbially had Rzepczynski on the ropes (two runners on, none out, one run in), when A-Rod grounded into a double play.
Or it may have occurred three innings later when a tailor-made DP was screwed up by Mitre and Cano, turning a one on, two out situation into a two on, none out, one in situation. If a good throw had been made, the Jays probably don't score at all in that inning (instead of scoring three).
Perhaps we'll look back on this game as a blessing in disguise, as it may rid us of Sergio Mitre. It's clear that Alfredo Aceves (four shutout relief innings) can and should be starting games in Mitre's stead.
Will Chad Gaudin (or better yet, Al Aceves) make the start on Saturday?
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Adios, Sergio.
Thanks for nothing.
by New York Sports Jerk on Aug 10, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions
Unfortunate
Its unfortunate that we will be losing Acevas in the bullpen. The question remains who will be the 4th starter in the playoffs. Id much rather have Joba in the 4 slot and Acevas in the pen for relief as he can lock down multiple innings if needed. However for the time being Acevas can be effective as a starter but who comes in for long releif if he needs to come out of the game?
by On The Yanks of the Rivera on Aug 10, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions
Cano
short armed it and then tried to make a quick exchange to turn the DP before he had the ball. The throw wasn’t great but it wasn’t bad either. It was catchable and if Robbie does his job things might have been better. Or worse. No way to know. Certainly different. Mitre looked much better and if the team thinks someone else is better, great. If they think Mitre should start again, I’m OK with that too.
Cant win em all
At least thats Girardi’s credo. I thought Gaudin was in line for Mitre’s job, but it looks like Aceves is getting stretched to grab the job. I dont want Mitre near the pen either, send him down.
Why don’t we starts Gaudin???? What was the reason for the trade? Id much rather keep Ace in the pen where he has excelled rather than shuffling the pen around. Girardi makes me long for the days of Dallas Green!!
by PinstripesSince'78 on Aug 11, 2009 1:18 AM EDT reply actions
streak killer
the Yankees come in Monday’s game on a boom, and the starter rides home on a bus – to Scranton and points other.
The person who proposed ‘Sergio Mitre, yep, this guy is our fifth starter,’ needs a check up from the neck up.
ejs
and oh yeah...
Send Mitre to Cody Ransomville!
by PinstripesSince'78 on Aug 11, 2009 1:20 AM EDT reply actions
My dad's nickname for Sergio Mitre is "Sergio Meathead."
I still think he’s the one who screwed up that DP in the 4th, which the scorer officially charged to Cano. Obviously, not impressed with Mitre, but there aren’t too many better options. Gaudin coudn’t keep his ERA down in JV the National League, while Aceves is too valuable in long relief to move into the rotation.
Stick with Mitre. Usually, the Yankees’ offense is potent enough to get it done in spite of his mistakes.
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The error was on cano
but i agree with you about the rest. Ace is invaluable to the bullpen. Look what happened to Boston once they traded their long man.
I think Mitre is the man, for now.
by yankeechaser on Aug 11, 2009 3:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Indeed the error went to Cano. I meant that I disagreed with the scorer's decision.
To me, Mitre’s throw screwed that DP up, not Cano’s glove. But obviously I’m not an authority on such things.
One point Joe Girardi made tonight (via Michael Kay) was that Mitre is on par with most other teams’ 5th starters. With that much, I agree. Girardi also said the team is 3-1 (since 3-2) in his starts, and he’ll take 75% from a starter anytime. Does he really believe that, though? That success rate is entirely due to the Yankees’ offense, not Mitre’s brilliance. If nothing else, I admire the manager’s willingness to stick with “his guy,” so to speak. After all, he did manage him in Florida a few seasons ago. I just hope he knows when enough is enough.
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I mean
when i look at the replay cano is at fault. It was a shitty throw by Mitre, but Cano could have gotten it if he moved off the bag. I guess we can just wait and see what happens with this Mitre situation, at least we don’t see him for a few days.
by yankeechaser on Aug 11, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Do we not have anyone else down there in AAA? Anyone else?? Bueller..? Bueller? Maybe Russ Ortiz? It looks like that Jason Hirsh guy is pitching pretty good down there but so did Claggett last night…and we know how he fares in the Bronx…someone has got to work out, because Mitre sure isn’t
by BlackandGoldSSgt on Aug 11, 2009 3:42 AM EDT reply actions
Can`t Win Them All
Though I`m not entirely happy with Mitre`s performace,I do think he pitched better than his last few starts. Coming back from Tommy John surgery he is still trying to find his groove. Maybe a few long relief appearances from the bullpen when the game isn`t on the line will help him. Give Gaudin a start ,he can`t do any worse, and it gives the team a few more options the next time the bullpen has been used a little too much.
he struck out six of the first seven
I think that alone warrants him another start, not to mention the great athletic play he made just to get to that double play ball. Cmon…six of the first seven?
by dorsal on Aug 11, 2009 5:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
i noticed that too
it almost seems to me that this guy may (obv) not be cut out to be a starter, but he might be solid for an inning or two in the pen…. I believe a few of his starts he starts out the first two innings strong before falling apart…
thats basic bullpen material really
sergio mitre...your a unfocused genius
Take yoga. Meditate between innings. For god sake read a book. Anything, anything to make him concentrate. Maybe my fellow yankees can help me..when was the last time you’ve seen 3 innings of genius followed by complete lack of focus? Hesitating on a peewee DP? Allowing homers on 3-2 counts?…if all you can give us is 3 innings. This is our bullpen…Aceves. Robertson. Coke, Mitre, Hughes, Rivera….nobody in baseball competes with that. Gaudin takes that 5th spot and streches games to the 7th…aceves can picth 4, 5 great innings on any given day from the pen. We’d easily have the most depth fopr a number of years even…Yesssss!
by NYYWinsRings26 on Aug 11, 2009 8:39 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
pressed post by mistake...
Have the most depth even when mariono retires….yessss
by NYYWinsRings26 on Aug 11, 2009 8:41 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Aceves with Mitre
Topping Mitre’s meager performance is like putting A-1 sauce on Alpo. My guess is that Joe thought we would just outscore the Jays. This is a kid who has potential, but should be a Sept call up. With a 5,5 game lead, we need to be fine tuning for the stretch. This game did not tell us anything we did not already see SEVERAL times.
We need to see Gaudin, but also…what is Bruney’s role, Joe?
We did better 'cause we got better...Yogi
hmmm....
I don’t get it. Anyone actually see Mitre throw yesterday? Dude was pretty damn good.
One F’N missed DP caused him to get 5 outs in the 4th. 1st and 2nd, 0 outs, DP ball right back too him.
Some drunk idiot gives the error to Cano somehow I don’t know, it was Mitre’s error. That was the tying run. Sac fly next, then Inglett manages to get a 3B putting home another run.
IT WAS ONE PLAY that determined the game. A long inning like that could have done anyone in.
The guy actually pitched very good yesterday and I really don’t understand why people are so automatic to throw him out of there.
Starting Chad Gaudin is OK just cuz its unknown, he’s really no better.
Mitre threw good yesterday, save for some bad luck.
Agreed for the most part.
I agree that Mitre wasn’t bad yesterday and I agree his fielding isn’t the best in the world. The problem is that it seems like every start he has there’s some play or a set of plays that determine his starts, I think what people are really upset about is the idea that we trot this guy out there every five days and he’s guaranteed to give up 5 or more runs, whether they are earned or unearned it gets kind of disheartening to know that the offense is going to have to come up with 5-10 runs every five days.
That being said, this offense can do that for sure but it’s also a lot of pressure to put on the offense. I chalk up last night not to Mitre but to the law of averages. I’ve always said that no matter what, every game 50% of the teams have to lose.
The other thing is that in the grand scheme of the season this game was not that important. Yes you’d like to go out and keep the streak of wins alive but really what’s important is winning series from this point on. If the Yankees can win every series (give or take a few here and there) they are in the playoffs, keep in mind that’s a lot easier said than done but I think this team can do it. I honestly haven’t seen a team that fights this hard game in and game out for a number of years now.
As for the error, the scorer wasn’t drunk. Speaking for myself and my opinion, that error was on Cano all the way. If he steps off the bag and fires quickly to first he can get the runner there and that changes the inning. The throw was a bad throw but for Cano to stay on the bag like that was a brain fart and hey it happens, it honestly seemed to me like he was more interested in turning the double play than getting an out, no matter if it’s a first or second.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Aug 11, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions
meh...
Cano is running towards the base, Mitre fires a tailing sinker in the opposite direction. That Cano managed to get some glove on it was kinda amazing, but it wasn’t his error at all. The throw was too quick for him to change direction like that.
There really is no reason that he would be thinking he’s gotta step off and merely get one at first. I don’t know how you can think it was on Robby all the way. If he steps off an grabs that ball, he would have had to make such a quick move that more than likely he’s off balance and can’t make a throw. Yea, it might have saved the run then it may be a different inning, but with Mitre’s throw getting one would have been tough.
This also happened Mitre’s last game too where he misfired a ball to second on a comebacker.
All in all I thought Mitre did well. That inning doesn’t happen and I really had the feeling he was gonna go real deep in that game, but of course that’s not the way it works.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 11, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm just going based on the throws I've seen Cano make before
I’ve seen Cano make quick, accurate throws to first with less time, so I don’ t think the off-balance, rushed argument works here. What I saw of the play is that while Cano’s momentum had been taking him one direction, his foot was already on the bag and he was stretching out to get the ball. Maybe I’m wrong, like I said it’s my opinion, but it looked like Cano had enough time to get off the base and get to the ball. I do agree that the throw was off target and tailing away from him but I still think he had enough time. Again this is all in my opinion and it’s very likely I’m wrong but I just put that one on Cano.
by IDCWhoYouLike on Aug 11, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh please stop it.
It was one play? Except for the fact that Mitre caught that ball in self-defense before throwing it into the outfield. It was a bullet, and it came after a walk and a single to start the inning.
If you use the hypothetical that Mitre could have been better without the error, I have to counter that with the hypothetical that the hard grounder doesn’t hit his glove, and at that point the Blue Jays have a run in and runners at 1st and 3rd with nobody out.
There are lots of variables, except for this: Mitre gives up 4 or 5 runs in 5 innings every time he pitches. Nothing less.
by New York Sports Jerk on Aug 11, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly....
You can say it was a bad inning, bad break or what have you but the bottom line is when he starts he puts pressure on our offense, bullpen & sometimes our defense. I’m sure we can do better than that. Yes Joe managed him in FLA, knows him well, blah blah but enough is enough. He hasn’t gone into the 6th at all and its time for a change
by PinstripesSince'78 on Aug 11, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions
stadium question
i was at the game last night and i realized how the lights that are over the foul poul are always off, i noticed while watching the game too but i just dont know why??
itls not a question of one bad break..
Mitre lacks focus…and u can’t be a starter if u do that…starters don’t pitch 3 great innings then nose dive…he’s done this time and time again so stop actin like its the guys first time…until he gains some game long focus throw his behind in the pen with aceves and watch him succeed
by NYYWinsRings26 on Aug 12, 2009 1:25 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
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