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Concerning the Blue Jays - Part II: Trade Talk

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Tom Dakers of Bluebird Banter was kind enough to answer a few questions about the state of the Blue Jays:

1. Why wasn't Roy Halladay traded? Was Ricciardi asking for too much? Will (when?) he be traded before the end of 2010? Any chance Toronto re-signs him?

As much as I never believe anything JP says (not that I think there is anything wrong with a GM lying to the media) it seems like this time he was telling the truth, he said that he wouldn't trade Doc unless he was overwhelmed with the offer. I figured at the last minute he'd panic and take less. I am kind of proud that he stuck to his guns.

I think it is likely he will be traded this winter, the good part about trading him in the winter is more teams would be in competition to get him. I think, at the deadline, the Phillies were the only team that was really actively trying to get him, in the winter we wouldn't be limited to team that are in the race at the moment. It is also possible that the Jays keep him for next season and see how things go. We've had several injured starters, hopefully next year things will be more settled and perhaps we can make a run.

I think it is possible he re-signs, his wife is very active in team charities and has been interviewed a lot and she clearly likes it here. The interim team CEO Paul Beeston said that the team would have the money to re-sign him and that he would talk to Halladay himself about it. I think Doc would like to win, if he thinks it could happen in Toronto he'd be happy, if he doesn't then he'd go somewhere else.

UPDATE 6:40 - Alex Rios was finally traded to the Chicago White Sox, and by traded, I mean Chicago gave nothing in return (via MLBTR).

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2. What do you think of the other deals the Jays made?

The only real move was the Rolen trade. Scott Rolen was a personal favorite of mine to watch, but I can be realistic and see that Rolen's trade value will never be higher. Considering that he wanted to be traded closer to his home, I think we did well in the trade. Edwin Encarnacion doesn't excite me that much, but he does have some power, but the two young pitchers we got look good. Josh Roenicke has a great arm in the pen and looks like he could be a closer. Zach Stewart is the most interesting player in the trade. He has pitched in A, AA and AAA this year and has been great at each level, compiling a 1.63 ERA total. Until this year he was being used as a reliever but has been a starter this year. They have put him back in the pen to limit his innings. In a year or two he could be one of our best starters.

3. Will the Jays trade Alex Rios, or let his new team take his contract (or just keep him)?

They won't let anyone just take his contract, but I could see a trade being worked out. I do question whether it is a good time to trade him, I hate trading guys when their value is at its lowest. If you listen to the sports call in shows, people are always asking ‘why don't they trade ‘lousy player X'?' Well, it is because other teams aren't stupid, it is hard to get value for guys having bad seasons. Rios is having a terrible season, but he isn't that bad of a player. I'm guessing he stays with the team.

 

Thanks, Tom. I'm afraid we're going to have to re-live all the Halladay talk in just a few months time, much like Johan Santana a couple years ago.

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All I know is thank the scheduling gods

we missed Halladay again.

I know we’ve beaten him twice in a row, but that’s enough Halladay for one season thank you Fire Giaridardi Trade A-ROd DFA Jeter.

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 10, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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“Fire Giaridardi Trade A-ROd DFA Jeter.”

Minor bout of tourettes?

"We're only going to score 17 points?" ~ Tom Brady

by mwilli on Aug 10, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bring back Cody Ransom

we miss his box-jumping prowess

by Brian5517209 on Aug 10, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There's a reason that only the Phils were in on Halladay

It’s because Ricciardi “bowl-me-over offers only” standard eliminated MLB’s Rockefeller and Getty, the Yanks and the Sox. He’s an odd little man, and I say that without knowing his height or weight. When he put Halladay on the block, who did he think would come calling, the Royals? Halladay had to be moved and he wasn’t – bad GM’ing. The bottom line is that the Jays will never get back Halladay’s perceived worth – they will always get stuck taking a discount, period. Better to have done it now with 1.5 years left on the contract. So since they’re not going to be competing anytime soon, why the stigma against AL East trading partners? A saavy GM makes that exception, and works a real bidding war between the two rivals.

by Colpo on Aug 10, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I still agree with the not trading Halladay thing.

They are getting too many young pitchers back from injury next season to just throw it away. Even getting a guy like Happ or Drabek wouldn’t really help them next season.

Why not see if they are contenders first next season before getting rid of Halladay? Guys like McGowan and Litsch and Marcum have handled the Yanks before and Im sure they can take care of the Rays and Pissants.

They might not get an offer like they were getting this season, but they won’t get nothing if they put him on the block by midseason next season.

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 10, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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