Chicago 14, New York 4: Sucks
by jscape2000 on Aug 1, 2009 8:00 PM EDT
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Sucks
–verb (used with object)
1. to draw into the mouth by producing a partial vacuum by action of the lips and tongue: to suck lemonade through a straw.
2. to draw (water, moisture, air, etc.) by or as if by suction: Plants suck moisture from the earth. The pump sucked water from the basement.
3. to apply the lips or mouth to and draw upon by producing a partial vacuum, esp. for extracting fluid contents: to suck an orange.
4. when Brian Bruney is the pitcher most likely to throw a strike in a game of baseball for the New York Yankees.
58% strikes for Burnett.
62% for Bruney.
5 of 6 for Robertson.
48% for Coke.
1 of 2 for Melancon.
Bizarro AJ showed up today, and the Yankees never really bothered to get back in the game after that.
Oh, and it wasn't because they were overwhelmed by the stupendous pitching of John Danks.
7 hits and 4 BB over six innings before the White Sox bullpen came in and shut us down. Again.
I try to be an optimist, I really do. I believe this team is good enough to win a championship. But today was not encouraging. The bullpen looks gassed, and things are not going to get better any time soon. The Yankees are going to live or die with their rotation, and right now they're not just dying, but they're killing me, too.
3 in a row, and not the good kind of row.
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agreed, all good points. you forgot to mention how they love to be humiliated on national tv.
how many times have we seen them overwhelmed by average pitchers? what was it tonight? were they kept off balance, was he hitting his spots or do they just have to tip their hats????
how can a team that’s barely playing .500 ball have such an unbeatable bullpen and lineup?
you also left out their inability to get .200 hitters out (e.g. carlos quentin this week, mark ellis last week)
and what’s with their base running all of a sudden? the whole team has turned into posada on the base paths. speaking of posada, he is death behind the plate.
this has all the signs of a very bad raod trip.
Posada isn;t the worst behind the plate
he isn;‘t great, but there are plenty worse. Judging by your SN, you are all made up on Jorgey, so I’ll not argue on why Jorgey is a big reason that separates good teams from bad ones
And getting Carlos Quentin back to health and Gordon Beckum earning his ROY trophy over the next 2 months makes them a good ballclub. And don’t kid yourself, Danks is a good pitcher.
Posada was pretty terrible behind the plate tonight
maybe it was just because this game was on TV so I was able to watch for the first time in a while, but he is simply an awful receiver.
Burnett really struggled to locate his fastball, but any time he got it close to the zone, Posada would simply stab his glove at it and throw it back rather than make any attempt to frame it.
On the first bases loaded walk, Burnett definitely threw a strike on 3-2, but Posada received it terribly and didn’t get the call for AJ. That’s tough for a pitcher, especially a struggling pitcher.
I don’t know what the answer to this is, and I hate to be that guy, but Posada just didn’t get it done as a catcher tonight.
no your right
I agree, Jorgey was dogshit as our catcher tonight. Some aint his fault, like being at the receiving end of a horrible throw by Ransom on that DP attempt (stop and throw Cody).
But Im getting at SOME PEOPLE thinking Posada is a horrible catcher based on this one game, like he didn’t catch any of those other games AJ dealt in.
I know Jorgey isn’t the best C, but he’s still good. I don’t know what his problem is sometimes, but he does frame pitches and block balls really well and throw runners out…when he feels like it.
Stop making excuses for Posada..
He had the ball in his hand and chased him and missed tagging him. He should have stayed on base where he was.. Ohh and he made mistakes yesterday game too..
when should he have stayed on base?
You talking about Hairston’s fly ball he got forced out? The play that is one of those you can do nothing about?
I ain’t making excuses for Posada YESTERDAY. That play at homeplate should have been made, but it wasn’t ALL Posada cuz Ransom made a crappy throw.
no i was talking
about the throw from Ramsom to posada for the DP.. Posada grab it with his glove at home plate never saw that a Sox player was coming towards home plate… he had the ball on his hand and was standing on base about to throw it to second then from home plate started to chase the guy between third and Home base and missed tagging him because the ball was on his hand not the glove. It was not a bad throw from Ramsom even it was posada had plenty of time to move around. it was just a mental lapse i know but fuck dude thats two games in a row that posada has committed errors. I am not blaming posada for the loss just that error, but that was embarrassing.
jorge only tip of iceberg
i’m not laying all the blame at jorge’s tangled feet, there’s plenty of blame to go around. the yankees have an approach to the game that hasn’t been successful (mainly playoffs) for them for a few years. they are built to win 90 or so games beating up on the mediocre teams but up against a good team or even a good pitcher or hitter they are confounded. torre laid a foundation that they stick too whether it works or not: taking pitches to the point where it’s a fetish (how many time this season have we seen arod look at 2 meatballs down the middle of the plate and swing at a change up in the dirt? (this is commonly known as the posada effect!!)), how about “see the ball hit the ball”? here’s a hint the other teams have figured it out the yankees take pitches! this is how every mediocre piece of junk rag arm can twist them into pretzels.
trying to get into the opposing bullpen instead of hitting starters. how about hitting from the getgo? starters who can barely get through 6 innings present another problem, it kills the bullpen (a torre specialty).
this team is as poor a situational hitting team as i’ve ever seen. obviously the objective of hitters is to get a hit every at bat but there are situations where the batter can’t think about “getting a pitch and driving it” for a hit the batter has to simply get the ball somewhere so the run can score (think a luis sojo type), i can’t remember how many time they’ve gotten a guy to third with no outs and not one guy can hit the ball out of the infield.
girardi keeps pinch hitting posada who’s at .200 or so as a pinch hitter, the guys hits into more double plays then bernie williams!
if the past winning streak is analyzed they weren’t tearing the cover off the ball, yes they got good starting pitching but bad habits had them leaving copious numbers of runners on base and too many runs on the field and the good starters still weren’t getting key guys in various opposition lineups out with any regularity.
starting pitching may be the key to success, but sometimes the offense has to pick up the slack and the yankees don’t do it. girardi will say after a loss: “well we scored 5 runs” implying that that was enough to win but the other team scored 7 joe!!!
i understand it’s a long season and these funks happen but the yankees more often than not beat themselves.
sorry for all the lower case for those who don’t like it….
by posadastinks on Aug 2, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
CC's time to show why we got em
Not a must win, but it doesn’t look good obviously to get swept. CC is here to put an end to stuff like this, so there.
AJ was due a bad game, just I wish it wasn’t after 2 straight losses.
I also think that while Bruney didn;t throw a ton of strikes, he was pretty effective. He pitched for entirely too long, but it was better than bringing in Hughes or MO for no reason.
The pen sucked again, but after a few weeks of lights out ball, they were due (and again, I just wish it wasn’t 2 games in a row….)
The bats again were horrible with RISP. After yesterday’s confusing 12 hits and 2 for 10 RISP, they had 8 hits and when I turned the game off they were 2 for 10 again……
I guess the game could have been worse. The CWS had 19 LOB? At least the pitching escaped after taking all those wounds a few times (granted the wounds removed a few limbs.)
That
was pretty pathetic. No clutch hitting, and terrible pitching. Not a good combination. Our bullpen has been terrible lately. Coke has sucked lately. Aceves has sucked lately. And even Hughes hasn’t been as dominant his last couple times out. They need to get it straightened out. Fast. We’re only a game up now, and it will be half a game if the Red Sox win tonight. CC is going tomorrow. He is the ace. He needs to go out and win big games like we paid him to. He’s been good this year, but he will only be great if he can go out and win games like tomorrow will be. We can not go on a slump with Boston coming in next week. I can’t stand losing another series to the Red Sox. They need to get this fixed. Tomorrow! They definitely have the ability. They just need to get it done.
Oh and one more thing
Why is Ransom still up here? Did we really send Shelly Duncan down? He needs a chance. Ransom can’t play up here. He’s terrible. He is what they call a “zero tool” player. At least Duncan has pop. I don’t get what the Yanks are doing the last few days.
I thought the Hairston trade was made so they could DFA Ransom.
It was surprising to see him in the lineup today, that’s for sure.
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Ransom sucks and so does Duncan.
Hairston is a perfect replacement for for Ransom. Don’t need Duncan in IF or OF cause we have Hinske. Swisher can play 1B if needed which we don’t.
We DO need a replacement for Mitre tho. He’s not going to come around. We HAD an edge on the Red Sox cause they keep pitching Smoltz and loosing. now we have our own version of him and he is one bad apple spoiling the rest.
We need to make a move
Your right on the first part
but I don’t get what’s so wrong about Mitre.
He sucked the last game, we all know that. But no one is asking for 8IP 1R, 3H out of him.
We won his 1st 2 games, that’s more than enough reason to just leave him. He threw a bad game. He at least gets one or 2 more to show if he can improve.
We won in spite of him
not because of him. I wouldn’t say his first 2 starts were ‘good’ at all.. It obviously wasn’t as bad as yesterday but he’s gotten progressively worse with each start. We were just fortunate to have the bullpen stop the bleeding, which isn’t always a gaurantee. We need somebody that gives us a chance to win the game and I don’t know how you can say Mitre does that after seeing him pitch yesterday.
This is why you can't be taken seriously
The Yankees gave Mitre an immediate 3-run lead, and before he recorded 9 outs they were down 5-3.
Quite simply, he is not a major league pitcher, and the Yankees are running him out there every 5th day.
by New York Sports Jerk on Aug 2, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
and you can be taken seriously?
If you want to believe the Yanks won in spite of him twice, that’s fine. In fine with winning out of spite for my 5th starter.
He’s pitching like CM Wang was when he came back the first time. Around 5 innings, 3-4 runs. If he was your #1-4, that sucks. As your 5th guy, that’s fine.
He pitched like crap the last time out, but the first 2 weren’t god awful.
Would I like an upgrade? Hell yea. Does your 5th starter HAVE to be a ML Starter? No, you can get away with a Mitre there, so it can be a AAAA guy, like Mitre obviously is.
His first 2 starts were fine. Last time sucked. You wanna go out and watch Kei Igawa give up 6 runs in 2 1/3? You wanna watch Bronson Arroyo do the same damn thing but get paid 20x more?
WHO is out there that’s an upgrade? Hughes? Aceves? Igawa? Irabu? Swisher? WHO??
They got away with 2/3 wins in his 3 starts. That’s a win for the Yankees. I don’t care how they won them or if Mitre goes > 5 Innings. He game them 5 DECENT INNINGS!! That’s fine as long as the other guys are doing their part, which they have been.
Ok, what about when they don't have a 4th starter in a month?
Who then?
And the question you asked is one that should be asked of the Yankees general manager.
“Who is out there that’s an upgrade.”
He did nothing to improve his team that has a very difficult schedule over the last two months of the season.
by New York Sports Jerk on Aug 2, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
They will have a 4th starter
they will give Joba extra rest like they are doing this week. That will probably be the best COA cuz my idea of shutting him down for a month was stupid. He’s not going anywhere this season, unless…..
And Cashman has answered my question repeatedly. Guys like Bannister, Washburn would be upgrades while guys like Arroyo or Doug Davis would be exactly like Mitre, maybe a little better.
I don’t know the asking price for Arroyo or Davis, but the price for Bannister or Washburn was one of our top guys. Would you trade AJAX for Bannister or Washburn? Or maybe trade Melky for Bannister and then throw AJAX in CF in the middle of a pennant race w/o a single MLB AB???
I just don’t see what could have been done that would actually improve the team and not kill the future, which AJAX obviously is. Id trade AJAX for a Halladay or a Felix Hernandez like the Yanks inquired about, but not for a rental like Washburn or a 5th starter like Bannister. There’s no desperation to do that anyway.
Extra rest isn't going to do it...
…they are going to have to skip him entirely about 6 times just to keep him below 150 in the regular season.
That doesn’t even take into account the playoffs.
However, this is the problem when you have so few attractive prospects. You constantly defend Cashman, but the reason they can’t afford to trade these prospects is because there is nobody behind them.
Look at the Red Sox, they traded a valuable member of their bullpen to upgrade their offense. They deal Masterson, slide Bard into a more critical role, and then get Bowden in the mix.
It’s called organizational depth, and the Yankees have none, which is why Sergio Mitre is here and the only other option is Kei Igawa.
I like that the Yankees are attached to their prospects, but I wish there were more of them to get attached to.
by New York Sports Jerk on Aug 2, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
You forgot to mention WHY IS RAMSOM still in this team?
I would have rather see Eric Hinske play today than Cody Ramsom his is garbage..
I don't understand
Why is Girardi not playing Hinske more? I mean, I love Swisher as much as the next guy, and I think he’s great for this team, but I think Hinske needs more playing time. Every time he plays he seems to hit a home run. Plus, he’s a much better defender than Swisher. I think Hinske needs more of a shot.
Cody Ransom
Might be the worst player on any 25 man roster. How many teams can say their Single-A manger (Luis Sojo) is a better player, now, than someone on their 25 man roster?
by Matt Buggenhagen on Aug 1, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
Now, when A-Rod needs his day off to rest his hip, maybe Girardi WON’T play Ransom at third? Cut Ransom already. I really liked Shelly Duncan and the Yanks aren’t giving him a chance at all. Bring him back up here to stay until Gardner gets back.
Let's not panic
It was two bad games. Let’s not panic.
The White Sox are on one of their biannual hot streaks. It will last about a month. Then they will collapse the way they (almost) always do. We just had the bad luck of running into them at the wrong time.
A couple of things have worked against the Yankees in the last three games.
First, they have been playing from behind. They haven’t had a chance to use Hughes and Rivera to close out a game. So Girardi keeps trotting out the second string. Playing with the lead, the White Sox are not swinging for the fences, they are just trying to put the bat on the ball and, damn it if it doesn’t keep dropping in.
Second, the White Sox have a bunch of guys the Yankees haven’t seen before. I think this is part of why .200 hitters keep slapping singles and doubles.
Third, and I hate to use luck as an excuse, but either this Chicago team is the best baseball team that noone is talking about, our the ball has just bounced thier way for three straight games. This will catch up with them. Unfortunately, it will be after the Yankees leave town.
Sabathia will win today. The White Sox are overconfident that Buerhle is a guaranteed win.
The Yankees will be fine. They are going to be in the playoffs when the season ends.
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