Around the Yankee Universe: OK, so I am bad luck
OK, so I am 0-for-2 in my trips to the new Yankee Stadium, our beloved New York Yankees having been beaten both times I have gone to see them play this season.
I see from some of Monday evening's comments that some of you guys want me banned from the ballpark. I know that deep down you really do love me, but you have nothing to fear. I have no more trips to the Stadium planned, and for me August will largely be devoted to Giants' training camp. So, no more blaming me.
Plenty of blame for Marty Foster today, though. And second base umpire Wally Bell.
I have to tell you that lots of the conversation on the bus coming home Monday night was people wanting to get a look at a replay of the Derek Jeter play at third. My seats were down the left field line, and you could clearly see the ball beating Jeter to the bag. From that distance you couldn't tell about the tag. Jeter's on-field reaction -- the first time I have ever seen him aggressively go after an umpire -- told me enough. His candid post-game reaction blew me away.
It wasn't the call that rankled the captain. It was the reasoning he received from third-base umpire Marty Foster, who said that Jeter was out simply because the ball had beaten him.
"I was just baffled by the explanation," Jeter said. "I was told I was out, because the ball beat me, and he didn't have to tag me. I was unaware they had changed the rules."
Jeter had walked to lead off the home half of the first inning against Toronto left-hander Ricky Romero, and he advanced to second on a balk before attempting a steal of third. Catcher Rod Barajas' throw beat Jeter's headfirst slide, but television replays showed that Jeter might have moved his hands away from Jays third baseman Scott Rolen's tag.
"I just pulled my hands back and got called out," Jeter said. "I've seen everybody make mistakes on calls before, but I was baffled by the explanation."
Jeter immediately jumped up and confronted Foster, saying he hadn't been tagged by Rolen.
"He told me, 'He didn't have to,'" Jeter said. "I'm not making this up. This is what I was told."
Props to crew chief John Hirschbeck -- I can't say 'kudos' even though it's my word -- since Pete Abe already used it after the game Monday (damn you, Pete, stop stealing from me and get your own schtick!) for candidly discussing the misfortunes of his fellow umpires Monday.
"It would make (Jeter’s) actions seem appropriate if that’s what he was told," Hirschbeck said. "The best way I can answer it is to talk to Marty about it. "Not here at the ballpark, but if I see him tonight, or if not, we’ll have lunch tomorrow and we’ll discuss it. Getting a play right is one thing, but how you handle it is also important. Nowadays, with the cameras, ESPN and the reporters, I say the media, I actually mean television — it used to be if the ball beat you, you were out, but it isn’t that way anymore. It’s not a reason to call someone out. You have to make a good tag."
Hirschbeck admitted Jeter doesn’t argue very often.
"Yes, in my 27 years in the big leagues, he is probably the classiest person I’ve been around," he said.
Hirschbeck was asked about two plays that second base umpire Wally Bell got wrong.
"Sometimes, you just miss a play," Hirschbeck said. "I think you’re human, and sometimes you just miss it."
In the end, though, it's kind of tough to complain. The Yankees had won 10 of 11, including three straight from Toronto before Monday.
As for the Jeter play, it's rare to criticize DJ's baserunning, but he should not have been trying to steal third in that spot, anyway. Ultimately, that inning is what cost the Yankees the game.
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Replay
Being old-school I never thought I would say this, but I do believe that instant replay should be implemented. That’s at least 3 games there has been a blown call on steal attempts alone. Jeter was safe both times.
by outrigger on Jul 7, 2009 6:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Replay
The technology is there, so I would agree. I think managers should get 1-2 challenges per game.
by Ed Valentine on Jul 7, 2009 7:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why shouldn’t Jeter have been running? He was confident he could make it to third, and he did.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Jul 7, 2009 7:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because
there is no need to steal third base in that situation. Even Girardi said trying it was a questionable decision. Leading off the inning he is already at second base in scoring position. How many times have you heard ‘never make the first out of an inning at third base.’ I know he should have been safe, but it’s still a huge risk in that situation.
by Ed Valentine on Jul 7, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is a little more on this
From Girardi after the game.
Girardi, who got ejected arguing the call, later referred to the baserunning “errors” the Yankees made in that inning. It was clear he meant Jeter.
“The idea is to get to third base, but you have to be safe,” Girardi said. “I don’t have a problem with the idea of being aggressive there, but you have to make sure you’re right and [Jeter] was called out.”
In the end, just an unnecessary risk that didn’t pay off. But, hey, can’t win ’em all.
by Ed Valentine on Jul 7, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That really was a very bad move on Jeter’s part to attempt the steal. First you can go to the old “dont , make the first or third out at thrid”, which is most obvious. Behind that the count was 2-0 on swish. Thats the best count for a hitter, since its most likely to be a fastball strike. Swish should be thinking of driving the ball and Derek taking off may throw him off a bit. Also, since it’s probably a fastball, not the best pitch to run on ever. Furthermore, Romero was looking REAL shaky in the first and the last thing you want to do is just give up an out in that situation. It could have turned into a huge inning. Rare bad move by Jeter, and as stated repeatedly he was safe anyway. A testament to his greatness in a strange way.
by Ozone on Jul 7, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough one on Jeter
I like the aggressiveness. Who knows what Swisher does, cuz it seems the whole team goes anti-Cervelli when there’s RISP. But with someone on third, Swisher could do his recent Robbie Cano impersonation and ground out to the right side, there’s your run.
Still they come back, but fall short. The amount of times this team has gotten scores to within one run in the 9th, and still have RISP to either tie it or win is amazing.
That’s what makes these games frustrating. The score stays at 7-1, then I guess you credit the other team and play the next one. Id rather lose like that.
7-6 is still a loss of course, they were too close and could have pulled it out.
I have no idea what to do about this loss, so I’ll do the easy thing, blame Girardi.
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 7, 2009 8:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Blame Girardi...
Well there is a lot to blame on Girardi. Such as, why he would ever have Swisher in the 2 spot? Why Deki having the hot, hot bat is not in the lineup. I understand that Romero is a lefty, but hideki hits well against lefties…especially if he is on. And he is on!! pinch hitting in the 9th showed us that. And what absolutely killed me was, afer the pitching change in the 8th, Jeter got walked and the bases were loaded, Swisher, 236 avg decides to swing at the first pitch??? How many times hav ppl talked about making the pitcher work cuz the pressure is on the pitcher, etc.
by Joe G. Blows on Jul 7, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Swisher is fine in the 2 hole
cuz who else goes there? Cano? Hinske? Melky? Tony Pena? Swisher, at least when he’s on, is a OBP guy. Damon needed a day off too.
Hideki needs a day off. That’s all. Hot bat of course, but creaky knees come first. And maybe he
I don’t like Swisher swinging at the first pitch, but after seeing the replay, it was right down the middle. What happens if the guy throws 2 more 2 seamers that break from Swisher’s ass to the inside corner and are unhittable?
But blame Girardi of course. Especially for telling Swisher to swing at the first pitch. That was all Girardi.
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 7, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Especially since he got tossed in the first inning. Yep. Blame Girardi. LOL!!
by Ed Valentine on Jul 7, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not??
all those guys that you mentioned even Tony has a better batting avg then Swisher. Its just a drastic jump from a player that shouldnt be playing everyday but to reward him to hitting in the 2 spot?? It really doesnt make sense. I understand that he is hittign well the last few games and Swisher should be known more as Streaker but I can’t come to agreement with a life time 240 hitter at the 2 spot?? Especially with the lineup that we have…
by Joe G. Blows on Jul 7, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.240 means nothing
he’s right behind Damon with his OBP.
A-Rod, Tex, and Jeter bat in the 4,3, 1 holes. Damon is the usual 2 hitter. Swisher gets on base as much as Johnny.
With the linupe the Yankees have, you want that in the 2 hole. If Damon wasn’t on the Yanks, Swish would be the next best option at the 2 hole.
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 7, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So
with the group who played yesterday who would you have put in the 2 hole and why? Remember, Swisher did get a first-inning hit after DJ got thrown out. It’s easy to criticize, but let’s hear some solutions.
by Ed Valentine on Jul 7, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!!
Like I said, guys IN the lineup.
by Ed Valentine on Jul 7, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cervelli is always in the lineup
His OBP is 2.000.
That means he occupies 1st and 2nd every time he comes to the plate. THat’s right, he’s in scoring position when he’s in the batters box.
- is perfect for him. Any spot in the lineup is perfect….well, maybe not if he’s in front of Cano.
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 7, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That dead horse
has been beaten enough I think. Ceased to be funny last week.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 7, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 tough calls
The phantom tag was bad, but you could understand it, the ball got there first. The force play at 2nd was even worse, I thought. Especially in light of the fact that Pettite gives up the 3 run bomb ( which should only have been a 2 run bomb), right after that. But, as Ed put it, you can’t win ’em all. 3 of 4 from Toronto is great. Now we need 4of 6 on this little road trip.
by fredny on Jul 7, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Umpires and Doctors
Umpires and doctors should not make mistakes.
by jimwarren on Jul 7, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
at least
you can sue doctors when they make a mistake…
by NumberSeven on Jul 7, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Instant Replay.....I guess?
I agree with outrigger in the fact that before the Toronto series, I wasnt a fan of instant replay in baseball………..AT ALL. Now though, after a weekend of Teixeira being called out at the plate while only being tagged with Raul Chavez’s glove….not the ball, Jeter being called out because “the ball beat him”, and Wally Bell simply missing calls at second base, I think plays at the plate should have instant replays as well as close calls at other bases from the 7th inning on.
by StevieV17 on Jul 7, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Girardi's comments...
I saw no need for Joe G. to make that criticism about Jeter’s steal attempt. As Jeter pointed out, he was, in fact, safe, but out on a bad ump call. Sure, we should have a man on 2nd, no outs and great chance to score…but to the second guessers who imply this play cost a game is absurd. Jeter’s earned the right to run at will and this year, his steal success proves it. Girardi should be supporting his players aggessive style…think of how Scoscia (nemesis who we will see this weekend) would treat this play…my bet…applauding his guy.
We did better 'cause we got better...Yogi
by mickey07 on Jul 7, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You should just give me your tickets next time
I’m 7-1 this season at the Stadium, including Melky’s walkoff HR, Melky’s walkoff single against the Twins, and Damon’s walkoff HR that same weekend.
by New York Sports Jerk on Jul 7, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
just a terrible call and explanation.
does anybody know the official instant replay rules that MLB claims they are using? its like sometimes you see the reviews,other times the game just keeps going.is it the call of the crew chief?
by ReggieARodJeter on Jul 7, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's only on HR calls
fair/foul, over the wall/off the wall, etc.
they need to expand it to include (in my opinion) all plays. they should something like football: two challenges per game. or maybe like in hockey: a central office reviews the disputed calls.
by Travis G on Jul 7, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Replay
At least, challenges should be allowed on things like safe/out calls … Yanks would have benefitted two days in a row from that.
by Ed Valentine on Jul 7, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Replay
I definitely agree with challenges, but we would have to come up with a penalty for a failed challenge. Like in FB they lose a TO, what do you do if the challenge fails? I think there should be something more then just the out they already had. I don’t know what, but it would keep down on frivolous challenges to just disrupt a game.
by syllk on Jul 7, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew we couldn't keep agreeing...
I’m completely fine with replay only being used in the event of HR calls. Human error is part of everything, and ultimately an umpire’s call doesn’t change your life one way or another.
Hockey’s replay system works fine, you don’t see them going to video for every close offsides or icing call or even for missed penalties, which have as much impact on a hockey game as a call on the bases can have on a baseball game.
by New York Sports Jerk on Jul 7, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha!
SJ, what fun would it be if you and I kept agreeing?
by Ed Valentine on Jul 7, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Surprised Me The Most....
….is how candid and honest the two umpires were. People have always suspected this type of call was made and now we know umpires do make this type of call— they admitted it. So all of our other suspicions on how the umpires call a game are probably true, too. There’s knowing it, then there’s knowing it.
by nettles9 on Jul 7, 2009 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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