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Concerning One and a Half Year Trades

I love the multi-year acquisition because it solves current and future problems in a single stroke; it removes the anxiety of the offseason dance, and lessens the buyer's remorse on a trade.  Recently, Cashman has brought in Arod, Abreu, Swisher, and Nady this way (I don't count Randy Johnson because he was a trade and extension).

So using Cot's Potential Free Agent Lists, let's think about who might be available.  I'm not trying to guess at costs, because obviously a 1.5 year pitcher will cost more than the .5 year pitcher.  But compare the starters and ask yourself if the higher cost doesn't seem justified.

Bronson Arroyo- wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole.

David Bush- he seems to alternate great years with bad years.  This is a bad year, and a 21.2% line drive rate screams stay away.  He hit the DL with a triceps injury last Friday, so he'd be a waiver move anyway.

Roy Halladay- too pricey for the deadline; expect the dance to continue in the offseason

Cliff Lee- at first I thought the Indians were asking too much, but it looks like either the Angels, Dodgers, or Phillies would take him as a Halladay alternative.  I suspect the Dodgers are really just in it to drive up the price on the Phils.

Tim Redding- his .330 BABIP against a 16.8% Line Drive Rate says bad luck (we'd expect a .288 BABIP, a huge swing).  On the other hand, his 89 mph fastball and 4BB/9 says bad at baseball.  I suppose I'd take a chance and offer an arm that couldn't (shouldn't) be in the Show next year.

Ian Snell (option for 2012)- 4.9 BB/9. LD% over 20 in 5 of 6 seasons.  Man, he was good in 2007 though.  Pass.

Am I the only one with a lump in his throat?

Prediction: The Yankees need to make a trade before the minor leaguers get their chance to remind the world of the depth of the Yankees' farm system.  Unfortunately, I don't think the Yanks have options on the 40-man beyond Hughes and Aceves (who is nursing his own sore shoulder).

Ian Nova and George Kontos have both looked a little wild at AAA, but both are allowing under a hit per inning.  And there's always the Ghost of Kei Igawa.

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What's up in Seattle?

First they say Washburn’s on the block, now they apparently have traded for Ian Snell and Jack Wilson? Can you be both a buyer and a seller at this point in the season?

On the plus side, I’m liking that Snell might be off our radar. I agree that he doesn’t engender a feeling of great confidence…

by waw on Jul 29, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I’ve got this gut feeling the yankees might remain idle as the deadline passes.. not good

by Yankz09 on Jul 29, 2009 1:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Only other name on there that mighy

possibly be nice is Aaron Harang. At least him and CC could have eating contests.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 29, 2009 1:31 PM EDT reply actions  

hopefully

they let him graze somewhere else.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 29, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well lee has gone to the phils

by Yankz09 on Jul 29, 2009 1:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

and the weird thing is

Drabek, Happ and Brown (3 required for Halladay) are not in the Lee deal either…..

You think….Nah…Well??!!….HOLY SHIT!

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 29, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Disrespect but,

Has anyone thought that maybe the GM of the Yankees was aware of how great the minors were and that the buying frenzy of the past several years was just a way to get the rest of the Major leagues to take attention away from the Minor league system? Cash MAN is not stupid, unlike Billy Beane. He tends to buy players for current growth and income for the team. Having A-Rod was merely a publicity stunt to get A-Rod into a Yankees Jersey when he broke the HR record. However with the way he is swinging a bat lately, one might consider that the Yankees better start looking to gain another Alfonso Soriano to thier line up and maybe put A-Rod out on the trade market. Lets face it fans in NYC will never like A-Rod for two reasons, First he disrespected Jeter in GQ years ago saying Jeter was not a great athlete. Second, he dissed Jeter again when he came to the Yankees and the Yankees were going to (although never publicly stating this) move Jeter to 2B so as to have the greatest middle infield in the history of the game. Then A-Rod disrespected the Pinstripes and Fans all at once by way of lying about steroid use. I know, I know a lot of players were using but, he as a quarter billion dollar man 2 times now, should have been smart enough to realize that if you are doing these things with someone else, eventually that someone else would turn on you in bad times.
Needless to say Yankees fans think of A-Rod as a Rent a Jackson much like Yankees fans thought of Reggie. Reggie was great for several seasons then we moved him on. A-Rod doesn’t belong.

by DAYANKS on Jul 29, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

How'd this become an A-Rod bashing thread?

Just wondering. I like A-Rod as a Yankee. I think he puts up good numbers, and improves the team on the field, even in this, and injury-hampered season. Would I want him to date my sister? No. But getting rid of him because some fans hold a grudge over that old GQ article? Ridiculous.

by waw on Jul 29, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

find any team that will take his contract

……
still waiting
…..
can’t think of anybody?
nobody can afford to pay him 32 mil a year but us, and he has a NTC
besides, he has several more years of elite production, which is what we’ll need if we wish to get number 27 anytime soon

by Brian5517209 on Jul 29, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Back to No Disrespect

Cashman doesn’t have to worry so much about the $ now but, once the new season is over and that revenue stream isn’t met, the Yankees will be looking to reduce payroll as well. Don’t be surprised if you see Sabathia walk away after two seasons.
Cashman has many arms in the Minors that will in time be great. I have seen a few bits and pieces of the Minor Leaguers. All I can say is that if you have a guy like Shelly Duncan in the minors this long and in his first five big league at bats he was hitting HRs consisitently, one might want to look at the fact that the Yankees are stock piling like they did in the early to mid nineties.

by DAYANKS on Jul 29, 2009 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

REGARDING YOUR NO DISRESPECT POST

Please ask yourself this question…who in the world besides the Yankees can afford A-Rod’s contract? Ummm, no one! Why people think you can easily put him on the trade market is so funny.
Also, the reason why Shelly Duncan is still in the minors is, and I have said this before, he is the definition of insanity.
Here’s what happens:
He comes up and hits 3-5 HR’s and gets a few curtain calls. He then does his best rendition of the A’s bash brothers by knocking the shat out everyone when they do something well. It gets amusing for a while. Michael Kay to Singleton..“Did you see Shelly knock the crap out of Johnny Damon”? “Yeah..sure looks like it hurt”! Then he gets hurt or stops hitting and there you have it… The Shelly Duncan Experience. By bringing him up you are doing something over and over expecting a different result which is insane. He is a AAA for life player.

by Mondoas on Jul 29, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

With regards to the "We must get someone in a trade NOW" rumbling

Anybody remember this blast from the past? (1987)

“Lou, I just won you the pennant. I just got you Steve Trout.” (for Bob Tewksbury and two other bit part minor league pitchers, Dean Wilkens and Rich Scheid.)

Flash forward to the end of the season, as Wikipedia puts it:

“Trout’s acquisition by the New York Yankees in a mid-season trade proved to be a disastrous trade for the Yankees. Though his last two starts with the Cubs were complete game shutouts, and his ERA was one of the best in the National League, with the Yankees he proved unable to locate the strike zone. He walked 37 batters and threw 9 wild pitches in 46 innings and lasted an average of only four innings a start in his nine starts Yankee starts. The Yankees traded Trout to Seattle after the 1987 season, paying the Mariners over one million dollars to offset some of Trout’s substantial salary.

The reason for the Trout’s sudden collapse as an effective pitcher are unknown, though it has been reported that some of Trout’s teammates felt he did not pitch well under pressure."

Let’s not go nuts getting somebody just for the sake of getting somebody.

by mrljdavid on Jul 29, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Washburn to the Yankees

I was sent an e-mail early this morning from a guy who was in the service with me, saying that Seattle still thinks it can rally, but doesn’t want to miss out on getting a few prospects. So they have elected to make trades based on a need to fill vacancies created by the loss of Washburn and others. If they don’t make a few trades now, they’ll just ship the added players to AAA to wait. Addition by subtraction or in this case Subtraction by addition.

by outrigger on Jul 29, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

One and a Half Year Trades

I wasn’t particularly keen on letting go of Carl Pavano. Though he was nothing but disappointing through his first four years, the guy did show marked improvment toward the end. Wang’s going to be out of the mix for who knows how long – - how worse off would we be having CP in the “five” slot?

by Sonny From Brooklyn on Jul 30, 2009 8:26 AM EDT reply actions  

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