Around the Yankee Universe: Bronson Arroyo?
by Ed Valentine on Jul 28, 2009 8:27 AM EDT
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As our New York Yankees continue to roll merrily along, let's see what stories are making news around the Yankee Universe.
Yankees GM Brian Cashman is mum on talk about Bronson Arroyo
In typical late-July fashion, trade rumors continued to circulate around the Web Monday, including one that had Bronson Arroyo heading from the Reds to the Yankees. A baseball source dismissed the rumor, saying the Yankees were not engaged in talks for the 32-year-old starter who is due roughly $17 million by the end of 2010.
The Yankees have been pleased with Sergio Mitre since he moved into the fifth starter role, making it unlikely that they would deal for a fill-in pitcher with that much money left on his deal. Yankees GM Brian Cashman declined comment, but the Reds did their part to squelch the rumor via the team's official Twitter page.
"Ignore the Internet rumors," read the team's official Tweet last night. "Bronson Arroyo will start for the Reds tomorrow, as scheduled."
My take: Arroyo is a workhorse, having pitched 200 or more innings four straight seasons. He is also familiar with the AL, of course, having pitched for Boston. He has a 5.21 ERA, though, so how effective he would be is questionable.
The great Mark Melancon conspiracy
Yes, Mark Melancon is still on the Yankee roster. It sure doesn't seem that way, however. Here's Pete Abe on the Melancon situation.
I’m getting a lot of e-mails about Mark Melancon’s inactivity. He hasn’t pitched since July 10. It’s circumstance, not some dark plot by Joe Girardi.
There have been a lot of close games and/or a need to get other guys going. Melancon is the last guy in the bullpen and that’s how it goes sometimes.
They still think very highly of him.
Look at this way: The Yankees have won 10 of 11 and 23 of 29. If they’re biggest problem is not getting a rookie reliever enough work, that’s a good problem to have.
Pete is probably right. I would, however, have liked to see Melancon get an opportunity last night instead of Jonathan Albaladejo.
Damon reflects after latest milestone
Johnny Damon hit the 200th home run of his career last night.
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Anyone Noticed The Yankees Are One Game Behind The Dodgers For The Best Record In Baseball.. Pretty Impressive To Me
by Yankz09 on Jul 28, 2009 8:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
and some people still want to fire the manager!
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 28, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does one have to do with the other?
There’s such a thing as a team winning despite its manager.
Unless you think Girardi gets credit for the absolutely dominating pitching they’ve been getting for the last six weeks.
by New York Sports Jerk on Jul 28, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well I've seen it
some don’t know that when I say FIRE GIRARDI!! that Im joking, and they still want the guy gone.
That’s all it really has to do with it.
Does he deserve credit for the players playing better? I don’t think he deserves NO credit, some credit he deserves. What the hell it is I don’t know, but the guy has been every part of the recent winning that a manager could be a part of any sort of winning. Managers shouldn’t lose games, and I don’t think he has. He tries some stuff, he doesn’t do things in certain situations that even educated fans would want (bunting…), but in the end the guy wins.
Its kinda like Kevin Gilbride. Is he an idiot? No. Do I want another guy for the job? Yup, tho I don’t know who. Is replacing him at this point in time a good idea? Absolutely not, cuz its really hard to argue with the winning. I know Gilbride has the almighty championship, but its really not like Girardi’s managing the Yanks to .500 ball (he would indeed be fired at that point…)
The pitching? Well what about Eiland? He seems to be treated like a good offensive lineman: when the pitching sucks, you finger him as the culprit. When its good like it has been, not a single peep on his existence.
I just don’t understand why people find it sacrilege to give the guy any credit for anything.
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 28, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RE: Gilbride
We’re going to agree a lot on the Giants board, because the first time he goes five-wide in the redzone, I’m going to destroy him.
by New York Sports Jerk on Jul 28, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess so
though I think Id rip my eyeballs out and wash them in Visine to make sure they are seeing correctly if Gilbride decided to do that.
The man simply has no creativity. When he comes out with a creative play that works (i.e. Boss screen pass against the Skins….loved that play), the only time you’ll ever see the Giants run it again is if you created the play on Madden 2010.
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 28, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arroyo would be a fine addition
but the salary and the fact the Yankees have shot it down already make it a moot point.
Oh yea, Yanks beat the crap out of a contending team last night. But they don’t play in Anaheim or Boston so it doesn’t count (they also didn’t face one of the Rays best pitchers either and Burnett was also at his best too!)
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 28, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"Arroyo would be a fine addition"
5.21 era .281baa 1.47whip. Are you fricking kidding me?!
by fob22 on Jul 28, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
and those numbers are predominantly against the NL too, nothing like the AL East.
by thenihcman on Jul 28, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah...
He’s pitched in the AL East before.
Just cuz someone is pitching like crap on a crappy team doesn’t always mean he’ll be bad for a good one.
Arroyo’s pitched excellent at times this season.
and again, its not like the Yanks would expect a #1 starter out of him anyway. They have Sergio Mitre as their #5 starter.
Look at what Arroyo’’s season. He’s capable of throwing gems out there You don;t think Arroyo is better than Mitre??? Are YOU kidding me?
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 28, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not just about that, though
If they trade for Arroyo they have to keep him next year too.
Either way, neither Arroyo or Mitre is going to get a postseason start, and that’s where the Yankees should be looking, unless they’re extending Joba beyond his limit.
by New York Sports Jerk on Jul 28, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Im thinking about Arroyo
is that he could replace Aceves in his role eventually. Arroyo could be the long man out of the pen given that he’s done it before.
I kinda feel that any pitcher the Yanks could get on the trade market not named Halladay or Lee pretty much is equal to Aceves, and why not let the kid get a few starts?
I mean its pretty moot, the guy is gonna make entirely too much dough for a guy who really isn’t much more than 4th starter material, even for the Yankees.
by FreeBradshaw on Jul 28, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bronson Arroyo certainly isn't inspiring
and the contract and cost in trade make him even less attractive, but we will need another SP before this season ends. Maybe more than one. Is Arroyo better than Igawa? I’m sure Ace would be the first choice but what if we need more than one? This isn’t necesarily a replacement for Mitre, it’s about adding depth because we’re getting down to the bottom of the barrel.
by Peter Lacock on Jul 28, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, he's better than Mitre...
but at the current salary he makes he isn’t worth it. I’ll keep our scrub pitcher and be happy with him unless Cashman wants to deal for Washburn or someone else (Cliff Lee?.
by subliminalnirvanaist on Jul 28, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would be
ok to gamble on Arroyo if this was his last year. but it’s not. if the gamble fails your stuck with him next year. that’s a big enough negative to say no
by RollingWave on Jul 28, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Arroyo just isn’t much of an upgrade over Mitre at this point, sad as that is.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jul 28, 2009 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Winning despite Joe
Would be ahead of the Dodgers for best record if we had a manager who knew anything.
by cashman bashman on Jul 28, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AMAZING
how the Yankees have won 61 games and have a 2.5 game lead and basically have done that on their own w/o any real help from Girardi who knows absolutely nothing about baseball. Lets see..15 seasons played as well as 39 post season games played in and 3 WS rings but he knows nothing.
Sorry, but that is an ignorant comment by you!!
by Mondoas on Jul 28, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Girardi is a bad manager
the Yankees would be a bad team. Anyone that has ever had a manager knows this. There is not one strategic move he has made in the last 1 1/2 years that I can find fault with. I might not always agree but I can always see why he did what he did. There is no way to know if a different decision would have been better or worse and he knows things that fans never know. Do you know that every player on the team currently has some kind of injury?
by Peter Lacock on Jul 28, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Ma, how about some cookies?
by long time listener on Jul 28, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gag.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Jul 28, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Arroyo isn't worth the price.
I don’t care if the guy pitches an occasional gem (in the NL) he is not worth $17 million through 2010. Will he be a slight improvement over Sergio Mitre, sure, but will it be worth the money? No. Sergio is a average to slightly below average 5th starter who dosn’t cost us any money. Arroyo would be a overpaid (in my opinion) 5th starter. If we are gonna go after a picher let’ go after one that is a vast improvement over what we’ve got (Jarrod Washburn!!!).
by subliminalnirvanaist on Jul 28, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's just a cheaper version of Barry Zito.
Another washed up pitcher who will pitch the occasional good game but never be able to put together another good year (though Arroyo never had quite the sucess Zito did). If we get him then its like the second coming of Carl Pavano.
by subliminalnirvanaist on Jul 28, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arroyo, Halliday, etc.
I wonder if the Red Sox are trying to end up with both Halliday and Scutaro with the help of a 3rd team, like the 2004 trade. They might hope that they could trade Buchholz, Masterson or Lowrie and perhaps 2 other top prospects and keep their line-up intact. I would hope that the Blue Jays would want Bard and Lester in return instead of Buchholz. As for the Yanks, I would not want them to distort their plan by reason of the Gardner injury. As a last resort, Swisher can spell Melky in center, especially on the road with a ground-ball or strikeout pitcher. I would hesitate to trade Hughes or Chamberlain (not both!) as part of a Halliday package. The Yanks can trade Montero (retaining Cervelli), Kennedy, and perhaps Miranda and a young reliever for Halliday. I do not see how the Yanks are enough better off to let Hughes go even for Halliday. Chamberlain maybe, but I would still be careful.
by logiet on Jul 28, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Doc's a great pitcher, but I agree with you..
Given the way we have been playing I wouldn’t give up Joba or Hughes as they have been a large part of our sucess. I don’t think the Sux are gonna deal for Doc right now just cause of what it would take for the Jays to deal him (which is the Phllies have started to back off). If Toronto continues to hold out until they get waht they want ,they may not be able to deal him at all.
by subliminalnirvanaist on Jul 28, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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