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Around the Yankee Universe: Talkin' trades

So, with Chien-Ming Wang apparently useless to the New York Yankees for the rest of the season (as if he has been useful up to now, anyway), it is becoming pretty obvious the team will seek to bolster its pitching staff via the trade market.

With the trade deadline a few days away, let's see what's cookin'.

Yankee General Manager Brian Cashman is well aware that his starting pitching depth is paper thin.

"When we made the decisions that we've made so far, they were tough decisions with consequences," Cashman said on Thursday. "We're better because of those moves, but we're thinner."

Here is a little more from that article.

Cashman said that if another starting pitcher went down, his internal choices would include Kei Igawa and Ivan Nova, neither of whom would prompt the Yankees to rush into a transaction. So Cashman said the Yankees would instead tweak their current Major League roster.

"Right now, if we didn't do anything and we had another problem, we'd be taking Hughes or Aceves out of the bullpen and into the rotation," Cashman said. "It's as simple as that. That's been talked about internally and externally.

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The desire to hold Joba Chamberlain to an innings limit complicates the picture.

Cashman would not say what the limit is, only that the plan has not changed since spring training. The Yankees expect Chamberlain to stay in the rotation through the end of the regular season, but his innings will be held down.

"As time goes on, we’re going to watch him, just to see how he’s physically doing," Girardi said, adding later, "He’s really never approached 200 innings."

Every contender, of course, is looking for pitching. Cashman is apparently looking for depth, not a front-line type, and knows it won't be easy to find.

"It’s hard to do," Cashman said. "I mean, who’s going to give you a quality starter that you can option to Triple A? Nobody. So it’s either that or most likely trade for somebody that goes right in your rotation, and that’s not realistic."

The Yankees do have a quality farm system from which they can deal.

"It wasn't too long ago that people complained we didn't have anything in our system, and I had talked about we were pitching-rich and we had position players who were young and further away," Cashman said earlier this week. "Well, those position players are starting to pop."

If the Yankees need another starter, it may well be Aceves. With that in mind, one blogger wonders why the Yankees didn't pursue recently-traded reliever Rafael Betancourt more aggressively.

I have no idea what will happen, though I suspect a veteran reliever would be easier to get than a starter. It will, however, be interesting to watch it play out.

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we're getting a veteran reliever

Marte. I don’t know how much to expect out of him, though I hope his early-season struggles were the result of his injury. So it may be wiser to look for back-of-the-rotation help.

by long time listener on Jul 24, 2009 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

let's not forget

Marte’s struggles didn’t start this season. He absolutely sucked last season from the word go. Some players just cannot pitch for the Yankees. It takes a certain mindset. Pavano didn’t have it. Randy Johnson didn’t have it. And I don’t think Damaso Marte has it, either. I’d love for him to prove me wrong, but I won’t hold my breath.

by waw on Jul 24, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

you may be right

but he’s still going to be on the roster in week or so. I wonder how he’ll do in a very limited role as the second lefty reliever – either getting one out in the 6th, or pitching on the days Coke isn’t available.

by long time listener on Jul 24, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Complicated indeed

The only way I see Philthy Hughes back in the 5man is if Bruney gets right. (not too confident in that at the moment)

Joba being babied with these limits and rules is annoying. It puts pressure on everyone else.

Aceves is better suited IMO as a long reliever because if you don’t get a quality start from a rotation guy who gets knocked out early ie…..Pettitte “sometimes ‘98, sometimes 08’” or Joba “the 5.2 guy” who do you go to?

by ReggieARodJeter on Jul 24, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Aceves

I love him there, too. So do the Yankees. That’s why Mitre is in the 5th slot now. They will only put him in the rotation if they have no other choice.

by Ed Valentine on Jul 24, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

It all comes down to math

There are 67 games left, and whoever fills the 5th spot in the rotation will make 12-13 starts and pitch 60-75 innings, while both Hughes and Aceves will only pitch 30-40 innings out of the bullpen. In isolation, one good inning of relief is probably worth slightly more than one good inning of starting, given the high-leverage nature of relief pitching, but over 67 games in a pennant race, 30-40 innings of good relief are always going to be worth less than 60-75 innings of good starting pitching.

I think it’s safe to bet that either Hughes or Aceves could, at a minimum, provide above-replacement level performance in the 5th rotation spot, which is about what you’d expect from the non-Roy Halladay division of available starting pitchers – and far more than you could bank on from Kei Igawa, Sergio Mitre, or Ivan Nova. The argument against this is that you’d be breaking up a solid bullpen, and obviously, that would be true. But again, over 67 games, good starting pitching is going to be more valuable.

by 3460kuri on Jul 24, 2009 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Its been said many times but...

We need to go trade for Houston Street, Sherrill, or Matt Capps to be our setup guy and get Hughes back in the rotation. Yea hes great we know hes awesome in the 8th but guess what, we are hurtin for a 5th starter and that guy is currently our setup man. They can get Capps or Sherrill for cheap right now, maybe give up a little more for Street, which I dont understand why we havent done that already, and get Hughes back into that 5th spot.

Get it done Cashman

by jsballer3314 on Jul 24, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Living in Colorado...

Sorry, but Huston Street is not available. Yankees cannot simply “go get” anyone they want. the Rockies are a legitimate wild card team.

by YanksFanSince64 on Jul 24, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

no street

the rockies are in 1st place in the wild card, street is staying put in colorado

by miracle96 on Jul 24, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Your right

I wasnt thinking about their current situation, but there is alot of talent out there who can control our 8th Innings…Capps, Qualls, Downs, Francisco Cordero, Jason Frasor among others.

by jsballer3314 on Jul 24, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

no need

Hughes=8th inning until Jobe reaches innings limit,
Joba=8th innning guy when he reaches innings limit,
Hughes=starter when Joba goes to pen

by Brian5517209 on Jul 24, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still poses a problem though

Because Sergio Mitre is currently our 5th staring pitcher and Wang could be out for the year. In your scenario we absolutely need to go get Washburn or one of these other guys on the block.

by jsballer3314 on Jul 24, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its not that simple

Girardi has said the only way they bring Hughes back to the rotation is if they give him around 4 starts in the minors.

That would take Hughes away for almost 3 weeks. As we’ve seen lately, Hughes has helped bridge that setup gap very nicely.

He’s too firmly entrentched in the relief role.

Joba I don’t know. Obviously his next few starts are gonna say a lot about him right now. Do they keep him on this stupid limit thing, or do they say F it and just let him go? It really depends on how he’s doing, cuz he’s limited himslef the first half of the season.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 24, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

haha we can call it the “joba mental limit” he just cant get past 6 IP’s lol.

by bforce3 on Jul 24, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL what is that all about

Why does everyone think they have to Laugh Out Loud in these posts? In case you haven’t noticed Joba has pitched a couple of games past the 6th in his last two outings

by YanksFanSince64 on Jul 24, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope they don't say "F it"

They didn’t impose the innings limit arbitrarily. It’s dangerous to overburden your young pitchers. No one wants Joba to wind up like Mark Prior.

However, this does put quite a crimp in their plans. I think I’m in favor of pulling the old switcheroo – phase Hughes in as a starter, and put Joba in the bullpen for the remainder of the year (probably about the end of August). On the other hand, that does risk taking two guys out of roles in which they are excelling (I’m assuming Joba’s next 5 weeks will be more like his last start, and less like his pre-ASB starts) and making them assume a different role. It’s a mess. It would make things a lot easier if Wang’s shoulder magically healed.

by long time listener on Jul 24, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just a thought

It is trade deadline time, and we know that Cashman deals with the Pirates management well. Do we really think it would be too hard to get a starter off of them at their yearly firesale.

by Mr. h on Jul 24, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Betancourt

Colorado got Betancourt for less then the yanks gave for Hinske which was not much.Im just guessing but I bet Cash gives more for equal or less talent.

by cashman bashman on Jul 24, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions  

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