The Sox are Over Rated
I have never been a guy that put much stock in determining the success of a baseball team by looking at the schedule. In football the schedule can tell you something. In baseball it's a non issue. There are too many games played. Having said that I have noticed a trend. The Red Sox have missed the better pitchers in the league, the aces if you will.
I don't think I'm reaching here. Playing the Mets with Santana on the mound is playing a completely different game then if you face Redding. I am not making excuses either. I am just making an observation. An observation that suggests the Sox aren't as good as their record would indicate. I trend that I hope won't comntinue and if the start of the second half is an indicator, it won't.
Did you know that yesterday was the first time the Red Sox saw Halladay this season. It was the final game of the third series when they finally got to see the ace.
Played Detroit didn't see Verlander or Jackson
Played Kansas City didn't see Greinke (Yanks missed him too)
Played the Phillies without seeing Hamels or Myers
Played Mets but didn't face Santana
Played Anaheim with no Lackey
Kazmir and lost
Millwood and lost
King Felix and lost
Cliff Lee and lost
Halladay and lost
If you add that up. You are talking9 different series the Red Sox played without seeing that particulars team best guy. It's like beating the Colts without Manning, The Pats without Brady
I will say one thing. The Red Sox are winning the games they are supposed to win. The Red Sox are obviously a contender and one of the better teams in the league. However I won't be surprised ifthe next time the Yankees take over first it's no looking back. I can see the Yankees winning in a walk before I see the Sox distance themselves. The Yankees are better than they were last year, and the red Sox aren't. No Manny and Bay coming back down to earth. Take Bay out of their line up the first two months of the season like the Yanks with no ARod and the Sox are battling the birds right now.
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dude
Stop hating on Boston and starting appreciating New York. I dislike Boston because they are our rival and they stand in the way of the Yankees winning. What separates Yankee fans from Boston fans is that we root for our team and not against our rivals. So post so pro Yankee articles and watch our NYY team and stop hating on Boston. As much as I hate them as well it’s not about that.
by dyanks10 on Jul 20, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sorry guy
I have to hear the anti Yankee sentiment all day everyday. I was driven to this after several years of living in the greater Boston area. You have no idea what I deal with on a day to day. Their obsession and hatred of the Yankees is unlike what I ever imagined when I was living in NY. They can’t keep the Yankees name out of their mouths and they have sent me over the edge.
I see things you don't see.
by LouieTheLip on Jul 20, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i actual;y thought the Sox DID play Santana
but interesting post nonetheless
by Brian5517209 on Jul 20, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sox did play Santana
vs. BOS 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 7.0 7 3 2 1 1 8 2.57 1.14 .241
They lost. Interesting Post, but I still think the Sox are geared for the playoffs.
Rotation Beckett, Lester, Wakefield, Dice K (backup options in Penny, Smoltz, Bucholz)
Bullpen: Saito, Delcarmen, Masterson, Okajima, Smoltz and Papelboner.
That’s some scary pitching for series play.
by DustinPedroia aka Keebler Elf on Jul 20, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
plus that Bard guy in their ’pen who they say will be the next Papelbomb
by StevieV17 on Jul 21, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playoff Matchups
Beckett Lester Dick K ..Wakefield.. in a 7 game series with the retreads and Bucholz vs
CC..AJ …Pettitte..& Joba and Mitre/Wang in the wings..
If the Yanks add a SP (it doesnt have to be Halladay) but think maybe Bedard/Cliff Lee if the trade mkt is there..
Our bullpen is nice but think if you could shift one of the two into the top 4 and the then look at how our bullpen matches up with the Sox..
CC.AJ..Bedard/Lee… Pettitte …Wang/Joba/Mitre
Bullpen.. MO..Hughes/Joba…Coke/Robertson/Marte …I still think the Sawx have the better pen but if that was the case it would be close and I would give us an edge in SP.. assuming Dice K continues to suck ..
by MUSKRAT on Jul 21, 2009 12:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Uhhh...
WTF? If you want to play with numbers then how ’bout 162-0.
That’s what the Sox would be if they played the Yankees every day.
OK to be a Yankees fan — but ’09 is NOT the year to waste breath hating on the Sox. Not until we win a game.
Just stop.
by rosebud on Jul 21, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude, you've gotta calm down
It’s insane for a Yankees fan to call the Red Sox “overrated” right now, since they’ve been kicking the crap out of the Yankees all year long.
Just be happy the Yanks have found a way to hang around despite that, because we have absolutely no right to say a word about that team right now. None.
by New York Sports Jerk on Jul 21, 2009 12:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
we were 11-7 against the Rays last year and 9-9 against the Sox. We had the best head to head regular season record of the big 3 and where did it get us??? I don’t take much stock in regular season head to head match ups. the Red Sox were swept 9 games against the Angels during the regular season last year and then in the playoffs they man handled them. The only thing that worries me is they seem to have Mariano’s number.
I see things you don't see.
by LouieTheLip on Jul 21, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cant wait until Sawx Nation shrinks into the New England Colony again...
But the worm is going to turn this yr…I cant wait for our signature Dave Roberts Moment to right the universe… so that all those closet Sawx ESPN media types can put away their Boston hats and fawn over Teddy Ballgame and Game 6 of the 75’ Series …( led by head Sawx rah rah guy Peter Gammons) … Seriously though the Sawx have a very good team however their rotation outside of Lester and Beckett is just as dubious as ours .Lowell might not be right …Pedroia came back to earth …Varitek makes Posada look like Johnny Bench circa 76’ and their is a hole at their SS position.. Not to say we dont have issues and they are 8-0 this yr… However Posada..Wang and AROD all went down for a long period or time and if we had split those 8 games we would be 4gms up … I like our chances even more if we add a SP and possibly some defensive help in the OF… lastly dont underestimate the loss of Manny… Big Slopi without the roids or Manny or just plain age is not himself this yr … and that might have been the biggest difference in the rivarly since 03’…
by MUSKRAT on Jul 21, 2009 12:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All arguements aside… We will have to play the Sox for a series that matters soon enough.
Over rated or not. We gotta beat em.
by Gangsta Yanksta on Jul 21, 2009 6:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gangsta Yanksta is right
Aptly put, we gotta beat em sooner or later. Hopefully where and when it counts.
I think their bullpen has a slight edge to ours (bigger if you definitely put Bucholz and Smoltz in there), but yes outside Lester/ Beckett their rotation this year is a bit shaky (like ours).
Their SS hole, Lowell injuries and Pedroia returning to elf stature are pretty comparable to what our OF has become.
End of story though is we’ll meet them in the playoffs and we gotta man up.
by DustinPedroia aka Keebler Elf on Jul 21, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LuvYa Louie, but ya gotta
hold off on your fantasy numbers when talkin about the Red Sox this year. You sound like one of those MIT Sox fans with a slide rule — circa every year before ’04. (But not since.)
Just wait until August when we’ll have seven chances to make that dream your living appear even close to a reality. Talk to me when we take 5 of 7. At least then we’ll be 5-10 on the year (and how’s THAT taste?)
Still — at least then I’ll be listening. Right now though, when it comes to the Sawx — nothing’s changed since June 11th. Don’t be fooled by the standings — they O-W-N us.
by rosebud on Jul 21, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rosebud dont get confused by the 0-8 record just like the 1st place standings for us… The series has been evenly matched over the last couple of yrs during the reg season.. They have 2 World Series in the last 5 yrs which gives them the edge and of course the 04’ debacle…. outside of that however WE OWN them ..dont get confused by the ESPN types and these FEVER PITCH bandwagon fans who wouldnt know Johnny Pesky from Johnny Damon.. Im going to laugh when they choke away this yr like they have historically (04 and 07’ withstanding) … Dont play the victim like the Met fan or Pre Curse Sawx fan… The REAL SCORE is 26 -7… I saw 78’’ … I saw the Mets pimp them out in 86… and in my life time we have 6 titles to their 2… I ll take my chance with the Chowderheads any day… The worm is turning my friend!
by MUSKRAT on Jul 22, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmmmmm
I wonder what their record is since I started this thread a month ago.
The Red Sox are a second place team, that’s what they always are, that’s what they have been the past 5 years. In 2007 they were the best team in the league. it’s not 2007. They were a 2nd place team last year and finished 3rd in 06. Not exactly this DOMINATING FORCE that people seem to think.
I see things you don't see.
by LouieTheLip on Aug 17, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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