My Life In Boston

by LouieTheLip on Jul 1, 2009 11:11 PM EDT Comment 31 comments

I'm sorry I have to be the guy who comes to the Yankee forum to hate on the Red Sox. It's not the only topic I'll be speaking on, but as a former Jersey Boy living outside of Boston I NEED AN OUTLET. I didn't know how real the hatred is for Yankee fans but it goes beyond baseball. Make no mistake when I give my sports opinion people change towards me. I will be reporting here and venting on what I'm hearing locally.

So what I'm hearing now is a whole region of the country (New England) lobbying to get Tim Wakefield a spot on the all star team. Their arguements are WEAK and here are a few.

"There should be a spot for a sentimental pick" I ask sentimental to who??? How would the rest of the country feel sentiment to a number 5 pitcher who doesn't even have good enough stuff to start a post season game for his team. I mean Wakefield is a class act but a sentimental favorite,....COME ON. Even if he was a sentimental favorite so what.

"He's never been an all star before". The best thing about the pitchers going to the game is that they are usually the most deserving bunch because they are picked by baseball people. not the fans. We complain about the fans picking their favorites instead of the most deserving and now these same people are asking for just that.

"He wants to be an all star! This is actually something I've heard more than once. "It would be refreshing to see a guy who actually wants it to go". I'm not making this stuff up people

Of course the 10 wins is what they all point to in the stats area. Of all the numbers we all know wins is at the bottom of the list as as far as performance goes. We all know Wakefield would be 7-6 with the same numbers in San Fran. If he was lucky 7-6

In my opinion Pettite has been every bit as good and has numbers just as good but I would never beg to have him be an an all star when there is obviously many more pitchers more deserving.

Since I have no objectivity in my life since I moved to Mass. please tell me If I'm wrong. Tell me if lobbying to have Wakefield be an all star is no big deal. Tell me it shouldn't bother me at all. Is it not pathetic to beg for awards and accolades? Is it not pathetic to scream and yell until you get your way??

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i feel for you

i went to college in Boston (fortunately during the good years, 99-03), but the vitriol they spew is mind boggling. i used to say to them: “you’d rather the Yankees lose than the Red Sox win.”

Joe Torre related a story on Conan O’Brien a couple weeks ago: the 2003 season, iirc the spring, he rode the elevator in Fenway with a Sox fan who said the following: “I’d rather the Sox beat the Yankees today than the US capture Saddam Hussein.” and he was totally serious.

no way Wakefield should be an AS. he has a 4.18 ERA. nuff said.

by Travis G on Jul 1, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Shhhhh

I never thought I’d say I missed Met fans, but I’ll take them in a hear beat. At least they are baseball savvy.

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Jul 2, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I feel your pain

I have a bunch of family up in New England, and they all think the baseball world revolves around the Red Sox.

They don’t realize that the only the only reason they aren’t the most hated team in the world is because the Yankees exist and are hated by everybody outside of New York.

by New York Sports Jerk on Jul 1, 2009 11:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

10 Wins honestly means nothing

Look at Randy Wells. He’s pitched 8 quality starts & only has 3 wins. Ws are something that most of the time is out of a pitcher’s control. Look @ Gallardo yesterday against the Mets. He pitched 7 innings w/6 hits, 1 BB & a whopping 12 Ks. Yet he got the L because the Brew Crew didn’t score behind him.
It also goes true the other way. You can pitch a terrible game & still get a W. If you last 5 innings & give up 5 runs, but your team scores 7, then you’re still on the hook for a W. That’s what I’d say to those stat pundits up in Boston. If a player isn’t owned in more than 30% of fantasy leagues, then he doesn’t deserve to be an all-star period.

by BriGuy27 on Jul 2, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Your argument against Wakefield...

has some validity to it. I think more than anything people want him to get in on a sentimental thing more than anything.

However, as I have stated prior- your argument against Youkilis (which you also posted at Over the Monster) as an all-star is ridiculous. And again, please save your “Oh my god I hate Boston…” rants for this website, as you make yourself Yankee fans look foolish when you do so on a Red Sox fan site.

by NumberSeven on Jul 2, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

If.........

Wakefield gets in,I’m blaming you.

by ReggieARodJeter on Jul 2, 2009 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wakefield getting in makes no sense

all they have is this “sentimental” argument. Well that’s sentiment to the MF SUX. Who the hell cares about their sentiment?

The only sentimental choices that get in, if they are even allowed, should be to the All-Star Stadium’s team, the Cards.

They have Pujols and Wainright (who I thoroghly enjoyed watching DEAL against the Giants yesterday), but that’s really it.

I mean they have Beckett who 100000% deserves to get in, Lester would be the 2nd choice but his ERA is a bit too high cuz of early in the season. But recently Lester has been as good as anyone.

Wakefield has done well. He has enough wins to merit it, but between Bay, Youkilis (hopefully as a reserve !), Pedrioa (ditto reserve), Beckett and maybe Lester…THAT’s ENOUGH!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 2, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I feel your pain

I’ve been living just West of Boston since the fall of 1985. I consider myself an extremely objective baseball fan that roots for the Yankees. You try to explain that to someone up here and they just don’t get it. Heck, you try to tell that to a woman that you want to date and they look at you like your a bad person.

No way Wake deserves the All-Star nod. He’s a class act and I’d take him on my team in a heartbeat, but an All-Star? Heck, Beckett and Mr. Riverdance Paplebon will get the nod on the Sox before Wake.

by stevefromwaltham on Jul 2, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Whenever one of my Sox fan friends

Go on a Yankees rant, I always make it a point to mention Super Bowl 42. They always walk away grumbling.

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jul 2, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good Times

There were times during that game where Br4ady looked like a deer in the headlights. I like to remind them of that as well.

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Jul 4, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Louie misunderstands us (as usual)

As a Sox fan, I think it would be awesome to see Wake in the All-Star game. He has been a good pitcher for a long time and has meant a lot to the Sox. However, that does not necessarily mean that I think he has played well enough to make it. I think most Sox fans understand that there are many pitchers that have played better in the AL this season. Simply put, we love Tim Wakefield and would love to see him pitch in the All-Star game; and since when do the most deserving players end up in the game anyway?

As for the Yank hatred in Boston, that is what makes our rivalry so great. If we all sat around a campfire and held hands, then the 18 games per year (or more) we play against each other wouldn’t be nearly as fun. I understand there are some idiots out there who take it too far, but most of us are good natured about the whole thing (especially post-2004).

Personally, my biggest hatred is not Yankee fans, but the so-called “New York fans.” The people who, during the subway series, would say, “It doesn’t matter who wins, I’m just a NY fan.” They flip from Yanks to Mets to Giants to Jets. These people I cannot stand. If someone knows their team well and is passionate about them, I may disagree, but I generally respect them (unless its Louie the Lip, he is obnoxious).

"Ninety percent [of my salary] I'll spend on good times, women, and Irish whiskey. The other ten percent I'll probably waste."
-Tug McGraw

by BTLove on Jul 2, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Boston fans

are much more similar to us Yankee fans than we would like to admit. Both fan bases are passionate, ethnocentric, and irrational at times. The main differences: The Yankees have historically been more successful. In the last few years, after Boston has won and gotten a TON of bandwagon fans, they get continual praise and pandering from all media agencies. If I hear one more thing about the “great game” that Jason Veritek calls for his pitchers I’m going to puke.

by Lord Duggan on Jul 2, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I Disagree

It’s a regional thing. New York Yankee fans have to deal with as many haters in NY as they do lovers. When you have something to say about the Yankees you better have your facts and stats straight because some Met fan will call you out otherwise. In Boston 98% percent of the population all love the same 4 teams. There are no checks and balances. New Yorkers tend to be more critical of the better players and in Boston they over rate and over value their good players. There is NO DEBATE in Boston. You love the Sox and think they are the best at everything, or you are an idiot who doesn’t know what he is talking about.

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Jul 4, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

true

NEers rarely deal with fans of other teams bc there’s only one of every sport in NE. NYers have two (or even three) or every sport, we grow up with ‘rival fans,’ and learn to live with them.

just my opinion.

by Travis G on Jul 4, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well

I didn’t really think about the aspect of them not having any rival fans around. That does make sense and I agree with it. As a Yankee fan you really don’t have to convince me that Sox fans are obnoxious, but I also think that if we want to say that we’re being fair and objective, we can’t say that this applies to all of them, and that the same can be said about some Yankee fans. As to the Red Sox fans being MORE obnoxious, irrational, and difficult as a whole……well I’ve been sold on that for years.

If you need more proof, try to watch an ESPN feature on anything relating to a Boston sports team without vomiting.

by Lord Duggan on Jul 5, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Honestly

I live with them. You can’t say all about anything,…but honestly it’s 98%. They are nice people otherwise. I even like the politics around here, but start talking about sports and they become irrational.

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Jul 5, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

GREAT handle... and ur red sux hating is fine by me!!!

all i wanna say is this… louie the lip? love the handle—and i HOPE ur paying tribute to the one and only louis prima… !!! props!

by sing_or_die_1818 on Jul 3, 2009 1:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Well

It wasn’t Lupica, I’ll tell you that

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Jul 5, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This whole thing must be a joke

“I didn’t know how real the hatred is for Yankee fans but it goes beyond baseball”

I understand that some of us Red Sox fans get out of hand once in a while. But to act like New York doesn’t have it just as bad is just ridiculous. I attended a Yankees/Angels game last year, where I witnessed a few Sox fans sitting below me with Sox caps on. They were maybe 13-15 years old, and they began to chant for the Angels. Instantly the entire section began to scream at the kids, and when the chant continued, one man even walked over ready to pick a fight with them before being stopped by other fans.

I could take this story and go on about how Yankee fans are aggressive drunks, or I can accept that some specific people, who happened to be Yankee fans in this situation, do stupid things sometimes. Nothing more annoying than when you guys try to represent millions of Sox fans through a handful of drunks.

by Charger567 on Jul 4, 2009 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Oh Really

I am a bartender who works in Mass and I am told to keep being a Yankee fan to myself for fear the customers won’t return. That would never happen in NY. So it’s not one isolated drunk. It affects my life. That’s what I mean when I say beyond baseball. It’s like a cult here in Boston. I never knew how bad it was until I moved here. I would have never been able to imagine how small minded a whole population could be. It is not isolated it’s like a blanket, it’s the majority. I see 100 new faces every day and 90% OF THEM MAKE NO SENSE when it comes to Boston teams. Otherwise rational people seem to be brainwashed.

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Jul 4, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

“That would never happen in NY.”

I disagree. Its certainly no worse in Boston than it is in New York. And again, to match your situation, I witnessed an entire section of Yankee Stadium ready to pounce on a couple of kids cheering for the opposing team. What do you want me to say? I live in Boston, know all types of people, and seldom see the type of people you are describing. Maybe you are putting on a charade for your fellow Yankee fans, or maybe you happened to run into some crazy people in Boston. But I live here too, and I can’t think of a handful of people who act like you portray them.

Maybe you would lose a few customers if you admitted to being a Yankee fan. Its natural. People like to watch sports with people rooting for the same team. If the bartender is rooting for the opposite team, its not exactly ideal. Don’t give me that crap and say that you’re all respectful and tolerant in New York, because you aren’t. A Red Sox bar in New York isn’t going to be attracting any of you guys, and you know it. Open your eyes and step down from that pedestal.

by Charger567 on Jul 4, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

By the way

Louie, I have noticed from your posts on Over the Monster, you really do come off as hypocritical. All you really do on our blog is throw around generalizations and use irrelevant name calling. Maybe if you took a good, long look at yourself then you’d see that you are part of the very group you are targeting.

by Charger567 on Jul 5, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

I’m the name caller. You have yet to talk about baseball yet have responded to all my threads. I give MY SPORTS OPINION and always have stats and reasons and facts to tell you why I feel the way I do. You on the other hand follow me around to tell me what a hypocrite I am. Who has issues???. I’m giving my sports opinion and you can’t seem to live without it. Now talk about baseball or go away

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Jul 5, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No, you don't

Take a good look at your posts. And I do talk baseball, actually, you’re blatantly just making that up. HERE I am calling you out on your made up sob stories. If you want me to stay out of your blog, stop trolling on OTM.

by Charger567 on Jul 5, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Go Away

Stalker

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Jul 5, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm waiting

for you to tell me how Wakefield deserves to be an all star when his own manager doesn’t trust him enough to give him a post season start. One Third of Wakefields starts this year he has surrendered 5 or more runs. How is he an all star. What am i saying that’s so wrong. how am I a jerk because i think Wakefield doesn’t deserve to be an all star. this is what baseball is all about. yet you have no sports opinion. Just personal attacks that are lies. I invite everyone to read my threads and they will see a history of BEING RIGHT!!!!

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Jul 5, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wakefield doesn’t deserve to be an all star. The players voted him in, not the fans. I don’t really know how you can complain. Sure, we rallied behind him, because he has had a good year and we knew he had a legitimate chance of being chosen. Don’t act like you wouldn’t all be pushing for Andy Pettitte or AJ Burnett if they had a shot. This whole argument is ridiculous, which is why I am putting an end to it. You keep acting like Red Sox fans are just fools, while Yankee fans are intelligent, respectful fans. Its just not true. Yankee fans have no more class than Sox fans, and no matter how hard you argue, you want your guys to be all stars too.

by Charger567 on Jul 5, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A question...

…why would someone go to Yankee Stadium in a Sox cap when the Sox aren’t playing?

Those kids went to create trouble, and they found it. Don’t act like teenagers don’t know what they’re doing.

What would happen to teenagers if they went to Fenway in Yankee gear and were cheering for the g’damn Mariners?

by New York Sports Jerk on Jul 5, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

People probably wouldn’t be happy about it. That’s the whole point. Louie is arguing that Yankee fans are all tolerant and respectful while Red Sox fans are belligerents. This whole argument is stupid, but I can’t just watch this guy make Boston look bad with his blatant lies.

by Charger567 on Jul 5, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

What the hell do you care?

Does it really matter if some guy on a message board is making “Boston look bad?”

The difference between the cities is that NYC is diverse enough that SEVERAL Red Sox bars can operate without incident, whereas in Boston I don’t think you could wear a Yankee hat in a bar for 5 minutes without getting stabbed with a broken bottle.

by New York Sports Jerk on Jul 5, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Pathetic

You follow me around and lie about what I have said. You say my whole point is that NY fans are tolerant and respectful. WHERE DID I SAY THAT. This is something I have never uttered in my life. I’m talking about being a cheerleading HOMER and how their is no diversity in Boston sports. Boston has nobody to keep them in check. No checks no balance,…. no objectivity.

I see things you don't see.

by LouieTheLip on Jul 7, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs