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Rivera's 500th save: What they're saying

Congratulations to Mariano Rivera for becoming only the 2nd pitcher in major league history to record 500 saves. Trevor Hoffman backers will disagree, but to me there is no argument Rivera is the best closer of his generation -- and probably all time.

Thought I would just take a look around this morning at what is being said about Rivera.

Derek Jeter said there was "no question" Rivera is the best player he has ever played with.

"You can add up all the players that have ever played the game," Jeter said. "Mo's been as consistent as anyone. He's done it in the regular season, he's done it in the postseason, he's done it in Spring Training, he's done it in the Minor Leagues -- he's pretty much been successful everywhere he's been."

Reggie Jackson.

"He may be the most dominant player in the history of baseball," Jackson said. "He probably is the most dominant pitcher in history."

Jorge Posada.

"He's the best ever," Posada said. "The best I've seen. Nobody can even compare."

Newsday columnist Ken Davidoff.

Rivera's career, at a job in which the shelf life of most pitchers is a few years, has been remarkable. The milestone reminds us. Rivera's overall performance makes us look silly for questioning whether he was done.

Diminished? A little, at age 39. Done? Not even close.

Peter Abraham.

If you’ll permit me a personal aside, I’ve been doing this job since I was 17 and Mariano is the best athlete I have covered. He is the model of professionalism in how he approaches every aspect of his job, how he treats his teammates and how he treats those around the team, including reporters.

A few years ago, he blew a save and was not around after the game to talk to the writers. It turned out he had left the clubhouse quickly because one of the his children was sick. The next day, he apologized and said he would be willing to answer any questions about the blown save. It’s easy to be gracious in victory but the true measure of a man is how he handles defeat and Mo always is there, win or lose.

If at some point, God willing, I’m an old man telling stories on a porch somewhere, the first thing I’ll say was that I got to cover the great Rivera. It has been a tremendously fun part of this job.

As we watch Rivera's career wind toward its conclusion, I'm not sure we fully understand it's greatness. There will never be another one like him.

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ERA+ says it all

Rivera has the lowest career ERA, relative to league averages while he played, of any pitcher in history, and it isn’t close.

Rivera’s ERA+ is 197, meaning his ERA has been 97% better than league average during his career. Pedro Martinez comes in second at 154, and Trevor Hoffman is fifth, at 146.

by 3460kuri on Jun 29, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions  

the Hoffman-to-Rivera comparison

is so ridiculous it’s laughable.

at first glance the regular season numbers are comprable:
Rivera: 2.30 ERA, 1.02 WHIP, 973 K in 881 games
Hoffman: 2.76 ERA, 1.05 WHIP, 1074 K in 953 games

but in the big situations, is there any question who you would take?
Rivera postseason: 8-1, 0.77 ERA, 34 SV, 0.75 WHIP
Hoffman postseason: 1-2, 3.46 ERA, 4 SV, 1.23 WHIP

it’s like arguing that Dominique Wilikins was a better player than Michael Jordan.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Jun 29, 2009 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I hear you

And yet, you still get people who try to make the argument for Hoffman. Oh, and as far as the regular season numbers you have to factor in this. As good as Hoffman is, how many truly ‘meaningful’ regular season saves does the guy have? And, who faced the higher level of competition throughout his career. Rivera wins on both counts. And there is no argument.

by Ed Valentine on Jun 29, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

and i like Hoffman

he seems like a classy guy and he’s a Hall of Famer.

but anyone that would take Hoffman to get out of a 1st and 3rd jam with nobody out in the bottom of the 9th in a World Series game over Rivera is seriously delusional. i think anyone with half a brain outside of a 20 minute radius of San Diego would agree with that.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Jun 29, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

not to mention

Mo has a postseason record 34 saves.

by ReggieARodJeter on Jun 29, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

al east v nl west

mo has faced the toughest division his entire career, with big saves vs boston, and the postseason. hoffman faced the worst division most of his career with many pointless games.

by donnybaseball23 on Jun 29, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mo

A gentleman and a class act. On and off the field. I hope he pitches for another 10 years if he wants to. As for who is the best. I don’t know, but, I’ll take Mo and you can have the rest.

by jimwarren on Jun 29, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

typo on your first line

“..only the 500th pitcher in major league history…”

i’m sure you meant “2nd”

by holycowboy on Jun 29, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions  

LOL!!

Geesh, I was in such a hurry to get to 500th I just couldn’t wait. Fixed it.

by Ed Valentine on Jun 29, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

have Pena play 2B for a day

or have Long talk to him today during the day off

by Brian5517209 on Jun 29, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cano

The guy didn’t get hits last night in the clutch. He did, though, hit the ball really hard three times. Can’t do anything about the fact that they were hit right at people.

by Ed Valentine on Jun 29, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

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