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The Francisco Cervelli Facts

One of the hottest debates on Pinstripe Alley over the past few weeks has been centered around the catcher position.  Should the Yankees give more playing time to the young, up and coming, defensive, youngster, Francisco Cervelli; or, should the Yankees continue to favor the bigger bat of wily veteran, Jorge Posada.  Now some of the fans in the pro-Posada camp have leveled some skepticism about how quickly the fans in the pro-Cervelli camp have attached to this kid.  I thought that I could share some little known facts about Cervelli to show why some of us have gotten so excited.

 

All of the following facts have been confirmed by Selena Roberts, with assistance from various anonymous sources.

 

  • 100 of the 112 home runs hit this season by the Yankees have been hit by Cervelli in various disguises.  The last 12 by Cano, because no one can possibly impersonate Robbie.
  • After a game, Cervelli has been known to go out on the town with Derek Jeter.  At this point, Jeter begs to be the wingman.
  • If you attempt to steal a base off of Cervelli, you are out, as are every member of your extended family.
  • Sammy Sosa was recently busted for injecting small portions of Cervelli DNA.
  • Cervelli can get a Jose Veras pitch called a strike.  This is too far.
  • Many of the recent delays in Yankee games can be attributed to Cervelli.  He alone can TRULY make it rain.
  • Cervelli has been banned from every bowling alley in America because of his obscene ability to facilitate strikes.
  • When the story of his life is put to the silver screen, Cervelli will bend the space time continuum so that he may be played by a 25 year old Al Pacino.
  • The only way to truly feel like Cervelli is to ask a hooker for a "frame job."

I think that is most of them, but I may have forgotten a few.  Feel free to contribute, I think the more we know about this guy the better.

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Oh and just as a point of interest

I only think that Cervelli should play about twice a week for defensive improvement and to keep Jorge fresh.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 28, 2009 12:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1 good stuff

This is about as wise’ass as a thread can get and I like every letter of it.

“Cervelli has been banned from every bowling alley in America because of his obscene ability to facilitate strikes.”

LOL!

by FreeBradshaw on Jun 28, 2009 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Francisco Cervelli is Chuck Norris in disguise.

by 3460kuri on Jun 28, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

catching

cervellia is doing a hell of a job let jorge d.h.

by JEETS on Jun 28, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome post

With a sense of humor. Love it!

by Ed Valentine on Jun 28, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

greenhouse gas

He is the answer to combating greenhouse gases.he breaths it in and fart out clean air with a fresh pine sent( thank you futurama)

by widowmaker6340 on Jun 28, 2009 6:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

haha!

great stuff Lord Duggan. also love the comments about him (especially Leviticus’).

mine ain’t as good as those, but here goes:

We’ve found our ‘8th inning guy.’ Cervelli pitches the 8th inning to himself. he’s that good.

by Travis G on Jun 29, 2009 12:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The REAL reason

why Jerry Manuel decided to start pitching to Jeter last night was cuz Cervelli was in the on deck circle waiting to pinch hit.

Even with MO up, Cervelli’s aura caused a normally great closer like K-Rod to lose focus and walk MO with the bases loaded.

by FreeBradshaw on Jun 29, 2009 8:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you have 5 dollars and Francisco Cervelli has 5 dollars, Francisco Cervelli has more money than you do.

There is no ‘ctrl’ button on Francisco Cervelli’s computer. Francisco Cervelli is always in control.

Francisco Cervelli CAN believe it’s not butter.

For some, the left testicle is larger than the right one. For Francisco Cervelli, each testicle is larger than the other one.

by 3460kuri on Jun 29, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Francisco Cervelli wears a live rattlesnake as a condom.

The pie scene in “American Pie” is based on a dare Francisco Cervelli took when he was younger. However, in Cervelli’s case, the “pie” was the molten crater of an active volcano

by 3460kuri on Jun 29, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another "fact"

Baseball players are not human beings, they exist only as a combination of stats and quantifiable data, and their role and impact on a baseball team can only be determined based on that data.

If you disagree with the above statement, your body will be harvested for energy to power the baseball matrix while your mind will be left in the blissfully ignorant (yet enjoyable) world where baseball is a game played by humans and cannot be fully explained by numbers.

by New York Sports Jerk on Jun 29, 2009 6:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

....

no that wasn’t funny at all…………..

by FreeBradshaw on Jun 29, 2009 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think I give a F?

Frankly, I’d be scared if you actually did think it was funny.

by New York Sports Jerk on Jun 29, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ouch

It’s like gambling. We talk so much about sports, how we think one team will do or how well another player will do in the future. Looking at these stats is sort of like making an educated guess – the game still has to be played on the field, but you can at least see who the “odds” favor.

Like, for example, Francisco Cervelli is a below-replacement level hitter. Theoretically, any waiver wire pickup, minor league journeyman, or bench player should be able to hit slightly better than Cervelli. Now, that doesn’t mean that Cervelli’s defense is useless – in fact, it pushes him to above replacement-level status. But, if you took the numbers, stats, and quantifiable data we have, and had to wager which team would perform better over a full season, one with Posada as the primary catcher and the other with Cervelli, the smart money would be on Posada.

It’s just like blackjack. When you’re dealt an 11, you double down. It doesn’t mean you’re going to win every time, far from it. But, in the long term, doubling down on an 11 is going to make you more money than not doing so.

by 3460kuri on Jun 29, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

Francisco Cervelli doubles down every hand in black jack. And wins every time.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 29, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does it make you feel superior?

To think you’ve figured baseball out and have reduced it to nothing more than a series of numbers?

Help me out with this one, from the 1998 Yankees:

Jorge Posada: 358 ABs, .803 OPS
Joe Girardi: 254 ABs, .703 OPS

Would the Yankees have won more than 114 games if Posada had gotten 500 ABs? Exactly one team has won more than that in the entire history of baseball, so you and I already know the answer to that question.

Point being, players can contribute to a lineup in ways that cannot be measured statistically. What’s happened in the past has little or no bearing on what happens at bat to at bat, and even less to do with the overall result of any given game.

To summarize, you don’t have baseball figured out, and you never will. Nobody can, because there are elements of the game that cannot be quantified.

And I’m not crazy about doubling down against face cards.

by New York Sports Jerk on Jun 29, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody is talking about superiority

We’re having a debate.

We’re never going to settle the stats vs. feel argument. That’s fine, there’s room for both perspectives.

To specifically answer your question, no, I’m not sure the Yankees would have won any more games in 1998 had they given more at-bats to Posada. Very few teams in baseball history have posted a .700 winning percentage or won 110 games in a season.

But then again, this conversation doesn’t really apply to the teams that win 110 games in a season. It applies when teams are in close races, like the 2009 AL East.

Right now, any of the top 3 AL East teams would be leading the NL Wild Card, in fact, it’s quote possible that the third place team could wind up with the 4th or 5th most wins in all of baseball this season, and still miss the playoffs. And so, going forward, we have no idea how the season will play out, but in a close race, we want to have the best odds of winning. It simply comes down to giving your best players the most playing time.

Players CAN contribute it many ways, but most can be measured statistically. Offense is the biggest piece of the pie. Players can be valuable, overall, based on their defense, game calling, and baserunning, if, and only if, they can at least muster an average line at the plate. That’s the problem with Cervelli.

Past statistics can’t guarantee future performance, but they’re our best tool to make an educated guess, which is all anybody can do.

You don’t have baseball figured out either.

by 3460kuri on Jun 30, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know I don't...

…difference is, I accept it.

If the teams with the best Pythagorean record made the playoffs, I’d agree with you completely, but that’s not the case. (And if it did, the Yankees would be in 3rd place behind the Rays and Red Sox).

My problem with the statistical argument is that it assumes every AB has the same value, when everybody who understands baseball knows that’s simply not true. You can quote for me Posada’s VORP or any other metric, but that doesn’t tell me if he can get a runner over when he has to, or if his CONSTANT berating of umpires costs his pitchers valuable inches on each corner of the plate.

All I’ve been saying from the beginning is that it wouldn’t be the worst thing to play Cervelli 2 or 3 days a week.

by New York Sports Jerk on Jun 30, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think anybody pretends that they have a crystal ball.

Just every baseball asks the same questions – how do you think (insert team name) is going to do this year, how do you think (insert player name) will do this year – and I think the evolution of statistical analysis is one way for people to try to make better educated guesses to answer these questions.

You’re right, the game is played on the field, and the playoff seeds are based on actual records, not pythagorean records. But it’s still useful information. We know that, fundamentally, good teams score more runs than they allow. So when a team like the 2007 Diamondbacks posts the best record in the league while being outscored, we know something has got to give. It doesn’t mean they can’t win, or shouldn’t win, but if we’re asking the question “how will the Diamondbacks do in 2008?”, we can use this information to make a better educated guess.

I don’t think statistical analysis assumes every AB is equal, rather that the probability of something happening in any given at bat is equal. I don’t believe in “clutch”. I believe that good players are good players, and if you give them enough appearances in a mathematically random situation – i.e. with RISP, with the bases loaded, in the postseason – everything will average out, and they will post the same ERA, batting average, or whatever, as they normally do.

by 3460kuri on Jun 30, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Problem is...

…a player’s mindset is different in every at bat. If you don’t think his comfort level at the plate has an impact on the result, I don’t know how you can even be reasoned with. There is no measure for “clutch” and I agree with you there, but if you’ve ever held a bat or stood at the free throw line in a pressure spot, you know how your mind can play tricks on you.

Again, the game is not played by robots who perform the same regardless of situation. Do you function as well at your job if there are personal problems on your mind or you’re feeling pressure? Probability doesn’t take any outside factors into consideration.

And still, not all at bats are the same. A guy may hit .400 with RISP with a 10 run lead, but .200 with RISP in all other situations, and he looks like a .300 hitter with RISP.

Yes, I realize there are “close and late” stats, but even those can’t tell the whole story. A groundball to 2nd is worth .000 on the statsheet, but if that GB moves the potential winning run to third with one out, and he eventually scores on an out, that is a valuable at bat.

The problem with waiting for things to average out in the postseason is that very few players will have enough at bats in those situations for that to happen. Derek Jeter has been in the postseason a dozen times, and still doesn’t have a full season’s worth of ABs.

So there is my problem with stat-only people like you. While I acknowledge that stats are useful to a degree, you refuse to acknowledge the role the human brain can play in someone’s performance. Cervelli sucks because his numbers say he sucks, but the Yankees are 13-7 when he starts behind the plate and pitchers have universally praised his ability.

When was the last time anybody praised Posada for his defensive effort and game-calling ability?

by New York Sports Jerk on Jun 30, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Listen, I understand that on some level this is like telling a Protestant that they should convert to Catholicism or vice versa. I don’t think either one of us is going to change the other one’s mind.

And I do understand what you are saying about mindset and outside distractions, but I have to disagree. I played baseball in high school, and I did get nervous coming to the plate in certain situations (mostly because I just wasn’t that good), but I have to believe that players who have risen through high school, college, and the minors and now play games on live television, in front of crowds of 25,000 people, for tens of millions of dollars a year have gotten to the point where they can block out nerves or personal issues. I just can’t convince myself to believe anything else.

A couple of years ago, David Ortiz just seemed to be unstoppable every time there was a runner on base in the 9th inning. He must have hit something .700 for the year in those situations. But my question is, did something in his head just “click” on during those situations, because if any of it was willing and conscious, why couldn’t he hit .700 overall for the year?

I believe that every single at bat is the same, in the sense that the hitter is trying to do the exact same thing, every single time – wait for his pitch and give it his best swing. And whether the score is 22-3 in the 4th inning, or it’s 3-3 in the bottom of the 9th in Game 7 of the World Series, every hitter is trying to do exactly the same thing – get the pitch he wants and give it his best swing. And so, in a simple sense, there is no “clutch”. Every player tries his hardest every time he’s at the plate.

Derek Jeter is actually a few at bats short of 500 in his postseason career, and his OPS is only a point or two off of his career OPS. And so I’m not saying that the human brain plays no role during the game, but we tend to distort or misunderstand clutch for what it is. Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez, by definition, should be good clutch hitters, because they’re good hitters to start with. The fact that A-Rod isn’t perceived this way has more to do with an obsessive media drawn to his high profile and the relatively small number of at-bats he’s had in the postseason than it does with anything that’s going on in his head.

I hate to beat the Cervelli horse again, but nobody praises Posada’s defensive effort because he’s renowned for his hitting. We call good hitters good hitters and good fielders good fielders. But as bad as this sounds, when a player has a reputation for something non-statistical, like hustling, being scrappy, or calling a good game….he’s usually a pretty lousy hitter. I’m thinking of guys like David Eckstein, Craig Counsell, and Aaron Rowand to some degree.

It doesn’t mean that intangibles don’t have value, far from it. Derek Jeter diving face-first into the stands makes a pretty strong statement. What I’m saying, though, is that Jeter has the intangibles AND he’s a excellent hitter. If somebody can barely hit at replacement level, it’s going to be nearly impossible to make up for it with intangibles.

So there’s no doubt that Cervelli is a better defensive catcher than Posada, but we disagree on how much of an impact the difference has. To some extent, it goes back to the David Ortiz argument – Cervelli has only caught about 160 innings this year, which isn’t much. I know we’ve beaten the catcher’s ERA debate to death too, but still, Cervelli’s is 4.00 and Posada’s is 5.40, which equates to a difference of almost 230 runs over the course of a full season.

So, considering that the average AL team is on pace to score 776 runs this season, do you really believe that the way Cervelli calls for pitches selection, positions himself behind the plate, and frames the strike zone keeps the Yankees opponents from scoring 230 runs per year? I say no way.

I say the sum of Posada’s above-average offense, minus his below-average defense, minus his “bad game calling” still outweighs everything that Cervelli brings to the table.

by 3460kuri on Jun 30, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to disagree...

“I believe that every single at bat is the same, in the sense that the hitter is trying to do the exact same thing, every single time – wait for his pitch and give it his best swing. And whether the score is 22-3 in the 4th inning, or it’s 3-3 in the bottom of the 9th in Game 7 of the World Series, every hitter is trying to do exactly the same thing – get the pitch he wants and give it his best swing. And so, in a simple sense, there is no "clutch". Every player tries his hardest every time he’s at the plate.”

How can you say that when there is visual evidence of players who routinely leave the strike zone and chase pitches in big spots that they would never swing at with the game comfortably in hand?

Even beyond that, not every swing of the bat is the same, even if the player does choose a good pitch. An overanxious hitter will overswing and become off balance, thus reducing his chances of hitting the ball hard. You can’t tell me that doesn’t happen, because we’ve all seen it happen.

Being tense also prevents a swing from being executed well mechanically, which can also negatively impact a player’s performance at the plate.

Athletes are not immune from mental pressure or nerves just because they reached the highest levels in sports. This is again you trying to make these guys out to be robotic.

They’ve reached that level as a result of being physically gifted. Every one of them hit to a ridiculous average in high school or college to get themselves drafted, and then went on to dominate subpar talent at the minor league level.

Once in the majors, there are enough “pressure free” situations for them to establish themselves statistically over the course of a full season. That doesn’t mean they won’t lose confidence or tense up when the chips are down.

Now to Cervelli/Posada … I’m not saying Cervelli should play 150 games, and I’m certainly not saying his skill behind the plate would be worth 230 runs. That’s you putting words in my mouth. I’m saying Cervelli could play 2 or 3 games per week and help the Yankees in those situations, while at the same time preventing an OLD MAN from having to crouch for 9 innings every f’ing day.

I literally can’t believe how you refuse to accept professional athletes as flawed human beings. It’s mind-boggling to me that they exist in your head as just a series of numbers that are immune from stress and nerves.

It shows a kind of arrogance on your part that is astounding.

by New York Sports Jerk on Jun 30, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I'm done arguing with you

To quote you….“How can you say that when there is visual evidence of players who routinely leave the strike zone and chase pitches in big spots that they would never swing at with the game comfortably in hand?”

Who has this visual evidence? How are they tracking it? How do you determine “big spots” versus routine ones?

How can you say that a player who’s swung at live pitches literally tens of thousands of times, and has played hundreds of games in front of tens of thousands of people get a little “extra” nervous when it’s late in the game and the trying run is on third base, or get a little “anxious” because his girlfriend just dumped him?

To me, THIS is a bunch of subjective rubbish. We’ll have to agree to disagree. As far as I’m concerned, YOU’RE the arrogant one. You start your logic with “stats are bad because (fill in the blank)…” and go from there.

by 3460kuri on Jun 30, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, walk away.

How can you say that the performance of human beings isn’t affected by tension, nerves and stress?

That is mind-numbingly stupid. I recognize the role of stats, you don’t even acknowledge that baseball players are human.

by New York Sports Jerk on Jun 30, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let me ask you a question: when the President gives a speech, does he get nervous? Or, more appropriately, does he get nervous only when he gives big, important speeches, like the State of the Union or a Presidential debate?

Alex Rodriguez, for example, has come to the plate almost 9300 times in his career, has probably seen 40,000 major league pitches, on top of countless thousand more in batting practice. I have to believe that if you do something 40,000 times, it becomes mechanical to you. I have to believe that when you’ve done something 40,000 times, you’re able to just stand there and do it, almost without thinking, kind of like driving. It becomes automatic behavior.

A-Rod’s being paid $30 million to repeat an exercise he does better than 99.999999% of the population, one he’s repeated tens of thousands of times in his life. I don’t think he messes up because he’s nervous. If you think that’s mind-numbingly stupid, so bet it.

by 3460kuri on Jun 30, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...

…you’re comparing the reading of a prepared script off a teleprompter to making split-second decisions about whether or not to swing at a 95 MPH fastball?

Is that what you’re saying? I just want to be sure before I address it any further.

I’m in shock at how unwilling you are to accept baseball players as human beings. Hitting a baseball is one of the hardest things you can do, yet you suggest it’s as simple as driving a car.

That’s so asinine I can’t even believe it.

by New York Sports Jerk on Jun 30, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, by the way...

Khalil Greene
Dontrelle Willis
Rick Ankiel
Chuck Knoblauch
Steve Sax

Every one of them had mental demons that affected them on the field. How many throws to first do you think Knoblauch or Sax made in their lives before they simply couldn’t do it because of what was going on in their heads?

How many pitches do you think Ankiel threw right down the middle before suddenly he couldn’t even get it within 10 feet of home plate?

by New York Sports Jerk on Jun 30, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's just play stratomatic...

…that’s what you want to reduce this game to.

Roll the dice, and the stats and odds will decide the games. Not human beings.

by New York Sports Jerk on Jun 30, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And let’s put a team together with Craig Counsell, David Eckstein, Aarond Rowand, Francisco Cervelli, and Juan Pierre. They’ll lead the league in Heart, Fire, Peskiness, and Hustle, and go 111-53 on their way to sweeping through the postseason and winning the World Series.

I can say stupid things too.

by 3460kuri on Jun 30, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clearly.

You’ve been doing it for days.

Probably months, but I’ve only known you a short time. However in that time you’ve admitted that you think baseball players cannot be affected by stress or nerves.

For the record, I never said anything remotely close to what you just suggested, while you have essentially been playing stratomatic for this entire discussion.

by New York Sports Jerk on Jun 30, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Was gonna read all this

Until I realized how much reading I would have had to do. Cervelli wouldn’t have to read this off the internet, Cervelli IS the internet.

Sorry, the Cervelli jokes have been making me laugh even though I am a fan of the kid and want him to catch more.

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 30, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't you know

He not only IS the Internet, he created the Internet. And the PC. And he created catcher’s defensive statistics. And he secretly caused Jose Molina’s injury. He is … Francisco the Great, king of catchers.

by Ed Valentine on Jun 30, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While we're at it

he also colonized America and created the game of baseball.

by Lord Duggan on Jun 30, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh and by the way

I wrote this post to poke fun at the ridiculously intense debate that no one can ever win, not to continue and prolong it. Is it really that difficult to accept that they both have different attributes as catchers and hitters and can be used accordingly?

by Lord Duggan on Jun 30, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Cervelli" is actually his middle name

His full name is Francisco Cervelli Ruth

by FreeBradshaw on Jun 30, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The new stadium

The House That Cervelli Built. (And this time they mean that literally he was the entire construction team of the stadium)

by Lord Duggan on Jun 30, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

These are fun...

Cervelli can win Connect Four in three moves.

When Cervelli does push ups, he isn’t lifting himself up, he’s pushing the world down.

Monsters check under their beds for Frankie.

and one for the captain…..

Derek Jeter’s tears cure cancer. It’s too bad that Derek Jeter doesn’t cry.

by GoMoGo on Jul 1, 2009 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When you wake up, Thank Fransico Cervelli

For he is the one who tells the sun to rise.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 1, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's not really a jet stream in Yankee Stadium

It’s just Francisco Cervelli sneezing when Nick Swisher is applying hairspray to his fo’ hawk in the dugout.

by BigSlim on Jul 2, 2009 3:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bigfoot

takes pictures of Francisco Cervelli

by Jon F on Jul 5, 2009 1:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

When Francisco Cervelli looks in the mirror

nothing appears. There can never be a second Francisco Cervelli.

by Jon F on Jul 5, 2009 1:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The last person to shake off Francisco Cervelli

was Jose Veras. Before that was Damaso Marte. Enough said.

by Jon F on Jul 5, 2009 1:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cervelli will replace Wang

in the rotation while he’s on the DL:
The only thing faster than a Cervelli fastball is Cervelli.

by Leviticus6688 on Jul 5, 2009 1:40 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cervelli's aura strikes again.....

He hears the talk of him being sent down to AAA ( he IS the Internet remember).

He also knows how equal Joba has been whether pitching to him or Jorge.

So by telekinesis he orders Joba to pitch like shit to Jorge. Now in his next start, Cervelli will facilitate Joba’s no-hitter, and the legend will live on.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 6, 2009 9:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

CATCHING

CERV. SHOULD CATCH INSTEAD OF MOLINA WHEN HE COMES OF D.L.

by JEETS on Jul 6, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

30 Years of Waiting and Now

We finally have the reincarnation of Thurman Munson. Move over Jeter, Cervelli IS the Yankee captain.

by nedrob on Jul 7, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Stienbrenner is no longer "The Boss"

That title belongs to Cervelli now.

"Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries."

James A. Michener

by Lumpee on Jul 28, 2009 9:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yoda learned the ways of the "Force"

at the feet of Francisco.

"Character consists of what you do on the third and fourth tries."

James A. Michener

by Lumpee on Jul 28, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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