Trying to Think Rationally
I'm trying to be rational about the Yankees recent suckatude. So let's use some Pf/x (courtesy of Brooks Baseball) to look at the Yankees against last nights starter, and then contrast that with a more successful game.
Much more after the jump, so come on and jump!
So first, the Yankees against the rookie Tommy Hanson:
Now, the Yankees against a less successful pitcher- the Mets' Johann Santana.
The obvious first: Tommy Hanson lived off the plate last night, and the Yankees let him. He had 12 strikes and 4 instances of contact off the left side of the plate. Santana, on the other hand, only had 5 strikes and 2 contact off the plate horizontally in either direction.
It's easy to say the Yankees were chasing bad pitches- they were. But take a look at when Hanson was throwing those outside strikes. I count 3 1st pitches, 4 second pitches, 3 third pitches, 3 4th pitches, a 5th and a 6th pitch. Mr. Hanson did a great job expanding the zone and living off the plate.
Conversely, take a look at the "wheelhouse" for both charts- the area between 0.0 to -0.5 horizontally and 2.5 to 3.0 vertically. See the difference? Santana had half a dozen or so pitches in that area. Hanson had none.
Now, I wasn't in the pre-game meeting, and I don't know what it says in the Braves' scouting reports. But this sure looks like a recipe for success to me. I think that more than sucking, more than Ragnarok, or whatever is supposed to happen after losing to a 7th straight new pitcher.
Maybe last nights loss should be more about crediting the pitcher than blaming the hitters.
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Great info but............
don’t you think our lineup is good enough to at least get a run? They stranded alot of baserunners last night. They had their chances to say the least.
by ReggieARodJeter on Jun 24, 2009 12:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This only has value...
…if you also analyze a start of Hanson’s in which he was hit hard.
Good teams find a way to score a few runs. Period.
by New York Sports Jerk on Jun 24, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's a little disingenuous to analyze Hanson's best start against Santana's worst...
The Yankees are constantly criticized for not swinging at enough first-pitch strikes. Last night their problem was swinging in general. (At least from looking at the scatter)
by cbm on Jun 24, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s not really meant as a critique of Santana vs Hanson, but the Yanks at their best and worst.
Hanson went 6 shutout innings against the Reds last week, and 5.2 on 2 runs the start before that. His only bad start was his first one and even then he only allowed 7 baserunner (6H 1BB) over 6 innings- he gave up 7 runs on 3 homers. And he hasn’t allowed a homer since then.
There was a reason Sickles ranked him the Braves best pitching prospect.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Jun 24, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Silly question
how doe these break down by called vs swinging strikes? Is this the ump or the hitters?
by Buzzy on Jun 24, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a silly question, and one I don’t have an easy answer to without going back through the gameday log.
I suspect the ump to a certain extent- there’s a ball called at .6H 2.0V, well within the marked off strike zone. There are also 3 high balls on the left within the outside strike cluster.
Was the ump influenced by Hanson’s consistency? Is it an issue of the cameras or the image? I’m not sure how seriously to take that strike zone, so I didn’t tackle the issue at first.
It might be instructive to look at Wang’s chart. So long as both teams are playing with the same strike zone then it’s just part of the game.
At a quick brush it’s seems to me that Wang was more in the defined strike zone. So either the hitters or the ump was giving Hanson those outside strikes. If the ump is calling it a strikes you have to adjust, so blame back to the hitters.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
by jscape2000 on Jun 24, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure
Usually when you see overload like that it is the ump. I recall a piece on BtB where it was actually argued that called strikes across all umps actually show a handed bias. And I have seen games where one pitcher got much more off the box than the other, even if they were both throwing with the same hand. If it is the ump-it is a hard thing to adjust to-you have a reaction based brain that has been trained on millions of pitches telling you what a strike is…
by Buzzy on Jun 24, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Losing
Losing is bad. BAD!!! People, teams should get blamed when they lose. Quit coddlin and tell it like it is. They suck right now and that has to change.
by jimwarren on Jun 24, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yankee problems
The simple fact is that the Yankees are losing the pennant and any post seasons hopes right now..not in August, not in September but right now. When they finally wake up and play ball in September and close to within 2-3 games no one will remember losing 5 of 7 to the worst teams in the ML’s. The Yanks couldn’t beat Washington in their home park but BOSOX can come to town and destroy the Nat’s; picking up a game on the Yanks in the process. It should be the other way around. This team lacks fire and resolve and it has one major distraction which will stop it from winning…he’s the “best” player in baseball..he’s out with Kate Hudson now…….
by viasistina on Jun 24, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs


















