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After the bullpen had to start getting loose in the 3rd, Andy Pettitte couldn't make it past the 5th while giving up 12 hits, 1 walk, and 5 earned.

The offense, predictably, couldn't do anything against a pitcher they hadn't seen before.  Fernando Nieve looked like a solid starter rather than a journeyman.  6 baserunners in nearly 7 innings of work- if Arod hadn't juiced one in the second, the Yanks wouldn't have scored a run with Nieve on the mound.

The only bright side is that Aceves was good, despite the homer, and Veras looked almost like a big league pitcher.

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Why is it

That every single one of our pitchers cannot make it past the 5th. Bad pitch calling? Can it be that every single one of our pitchers except CC magically started to suck? Not trying to start anything, but is Posada calling bad games or is it the pitchers REALLY cannot pitch anymore?

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 13, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

C'mon Lucky

You aren’t going to blame Posada? Seriously? It’s a rough stretch for the starters. It’s a 162-game season, it happens. Pitchers slump, just like hitters slump.

by Ed Valentine on Jun 13, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Ed,

At what point do we start to look at the coaching? Not trying to be a dink but do you think we’re getting the best out of our players? Isn’t that the part of the responsibility of our coaches? Specifically, I’m talking about Eiland.

by Rusty23 on Jun 14, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eiland

I have zero problem with being critical of Eiland. It’s hard to say what is his fault and what isn’t, but I wouldn’t exactly call him a great pitching coach.

by Ed Valentine on Jun 14, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well the pitchers have SUCKED since Posada has returned

You won’t find a bigger fan BUT, the 15 games prior to Jorge coming back the Yankees were 11-4. Since he has been back we have been 8-7. In those 15 games I have seen a LOT of full counts and walks to a lot of hitters by the staff. Maybe it is coincidence, maybe just a bad spell. Maybe Jorge does NOT call as good a game as Cervelli… you know it IS possible. I see the pitchers shake of Jorge more than they shake off any of the other catchers. Just food for thought.

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 14, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was only able to catch glimpses

of the game while at work but I’m growing a bit tired of our starters not being able to give us quality innings. As Ed mentioned, I hope it is just a rough stretch, not the start of a continuing trend. I’m trying to be optimistic here.

Can’t blame the pen when the starters can’t give you what is needed. Let’s look for a win tomorrow so we can take the series.

by FrankDiscussion on Jun 13, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

True

Like the other night, Tomko got blasted. But, if Joba does his job Tomko — who we all know is a mediocre journeyman — is not in a close game to begin with. You just can’t win consistently when you are in the bullpen by the fifth or sixth inning, or earlier.

by Ed Valentine on Jun 14, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing that bothers me is

tomorrow we have to beat, arguably, the best pitcher in baseball. You know… the one we passed on b/c of Hughes and IPK. It’s always great to be reminded of that. Lets hope he can’t keep it in the park like his last performance.

by Mondoas on Jun 14, 2009 12:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hindsight is 20-20

The Yankees were trying to be UnYankeeish by not buying the arm and have him turn out like Pavano, Wright or Randy Johnson. They liked the talent of the two kids and wanted to see what they could do. Can’t fault them for that. Just didn’t turn out the right way so far.

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 14, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well 20-20 hindsight and all

they just kicked the crap out of the best pitcher in baseball.

by FreeBradshaw on Jun 14, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have a two fold problem

Whatever the reasons are, bad stretch, bad game calling, bad coaching philosophies, our pitching staff is under performing substantially relative to the amount of talent and money that is there. When you have a stable of studs and none of them can consistently win a race, you have to look at the trainer and jockey. We walk too many people, we get to too many full counts. Look at how Nieves pitched yesterday, he attacked the hitters and was getting low pitch count innings. Aceves seems to be the only Yankee who understands that it is ok to pitch to contact. You may give up a dinger or two in the Stadium but the other team is not gonna walk 2 and then wheelhouse you.

Problem two. The Yankees CANNOT hit with RISP. We are all in love with come from behind wins, truth is with this offense we should be blowing teams out of the water like the Sox are. How many times do I check the BOSOX score and they are up by 5-6 in the third inning. It is great we know how to get on base, problem is other than Tex, no one is consistent knocking them in.

These seem like philosophical issues. There is too much talent top to bottom. I still say the pitching coach and hitting coach should seriously be considered the source for a lot of the problems. You look at how the Rockies have done ever since they fired Clint, it shows you a manager or coach can make a big difference. I am not saying fire anyone. I like Girardi and I think he will become a great manager. But his hitting/pitching coaches need to have a serious microscope on them.

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 14, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tin-men

After watching the gift, as Griardi called it on Friday, I refrained from commenting. I wanted to see how they came out on Saturday. They have proven to me that the weeks leading up to this current RedSox/Mets week, that they are not the girnders I hoped they were becoming over the month or so prior to this past week. How they could go on the field yesterday and have such a insipid effort is beyond me. A veteran starter ( Pettite) and a wimpy offensive effort against a nobody. I suggest that they change their name form the Yankees to the Tin Men, because they have no heart. They should have crushed the Mets yesterday, a depleted team, who had just suffered a gut wrenching loss. Let’s remember, if Castillo catches that ball, they would be looking at a six game losing streak and Johan Santana on the mound tonight.

by fredny on Jun 14, 2009 10:50 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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