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Time to turn the page and think about the Mets

Did the Yankees lose a tough game last night? I know they did, but the Mets come to Yankee Stadium tonight for a Subway Series meeting. So, let's turn the page and look ahead.

If I hadn't been busy wallowing in self-pity the past couple of days I might have reached out to Eric Simon over at SBN's Mets' blog, Amazin' Avenue, for a quick Q&A. Since I didn't, I'll throw down a couple of questions I would have asked him and see if Eric is paying attention to what is being said today at PA.

  1. As a Mets fan, no matter what happens this weekend how does it feel to know that no matter what happens this weekend you still root for the least popular baseball team in New York City?
  2. The Yankees may have unintentionally turned the new Yankee Stadium into a bandbox. The Mets, though, seem to have intentionally built Citi Field into a place that resembles Yellowstone National Park. What's the deal with that? Oh, and only 42,000 seats? Is that because they knew no one would come?
  3. One serious question. If I offered you Joe Girardi as manager (no, I'm not taking Jerry Manuel) how quickly would you get him in a Mets' uniform?

That's all I've got. There is, of course, a ton of Yankee-Mets stuff being written today. Mark Feinsand of the Daily News has a collection of great links at Blogging the Bombers. Feinsand, by the way, is referring to this as the 'Subpar Series.' He has a good point.

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from part of my post in the last thread...

I could give two shits about inter-league play, but god almighty I hope the Yanks get their stuff together and take at least two from the Mets- just so I don’t have to hear it from Mets fans. More importantly, it would be good to hop right back on the series winning train and start getting back to basics.

by NumberSeven on Jun 12, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Yes indeed

The Yanks played very good baseball for 3-4 weeks prior to the Boston series. It would be great to get back to it.

by Ed Valentine on Jun 12, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Here goes.

1. As a Mets fan, no matter what happens this weekend how does it feel to know that no matter what happens this weekend you still root for the least popular baseball team in New York City?

Somehow I find the strength to go on. Actually, I’m surprised the disparity is as small as it is. Considering all of the pink Jeter hats/jerseys I see around I would’ve expected bigger numbers for the Yanks. I suppose the pollsters simply — and wisely! — chose to avoid the city’s many dank, fetid and prostitute-laden bridge underpasses which much of the Yankee fanbase calls home.

2. The Yankees may have unintentionally turned the new Yankee Stadium into a bandbox. The Mets, though, seem to have intentionally built Citi Field into a place that resembles Yellowstone National Park. What’s the deal with that? Oh, and only 42,000 seats? Is that because they knew no one would come?/em>

Though it’s still too early to consider 2009 park factors entirely meaningful, Citi Field has been the fourth-easiest park in which to hit a homerun this season. Yankee Stadium III has been by far the most homer-friendly, but Citi Field seems to have been mis-labeled so far as a tough place out of which to hit balls.

The reduced seating capacity has more to do with supply-and-demand economics than anything, and it’s fine for regular season games, but if/when the Mets ever get back to the postseason it’ll be disappointing to have so few fans in attendance relative to Shea.

3. One serious question. If I offered you Joe Girardi as manager (no, I’m not taking Jerry Manuel) how quickly would you get him in a Mets’ uniform?

Not very. Manuel is comically bad at managing, but I’m not convinced Girardi is a whole lot better. If the question is, “Would you prefer Girardi to Manuel?”, I’d have to say yes, but I don’t know that I’d fall over myself to make that change.

by Eric Simon on Jun 12, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Strength to go on

Funny guy. Thanks for answering, and keeping your sense of humor about it.

by Ed Valentine on Jun 12, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

from the article

“Women are more likely than men to say they do not support either New York team, but over all, women who are fans are significantly less likely than men to back the Mets.”

You guys can have the women and the pre-teens.

by cjmulrain on Jun 12, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

*

“you guys” = Yankees, obviously. I posted that as a response to Eric to bolster the “pink Jeter hats/jerseys” line.

by cjmulrain on Jun 12, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ahh, cj

I wondered if/when you’d be stopping by. Keep it up, wiseguy, and I’ll have to revoke your privileges over at BBV.

by Ed Valentine on Jun 12, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

who cares who’s team is more popular in ny? all i care about is w’s and l’s. as far as Jerry Manuel goes he’s doing a horrendous job this year. Sooner or later the team is going to implode.

by Ozone on Jun 12, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

turn the page...

1 – This ain’t high school and the Mets have rarely been the more “popular” team. Who cares.
2 – Amazing how in this day and age both teams built mediocre ballparks. I guess you have the added bonus of potentially hosting the Little League World Series though.
3 – Probably wouldn’t, a minor upgrade at best. But I would agree that whoever thought Jerry Manuel was the answer misunderstood the question.

by 62mets on Jun 12, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe I am strange

I have no beef with the Mets. I am a lifelong Yankees fan but hey, I rooted for them in 86 when I was a kid. Why? Because first and foremost I am a New Yorker, which means that I naturally feel everything about my hometown is better than everything in anyone elses hometown. I don’t particularly like the Mets team, I KNOW I don’t like Minaya. It’s funny, being part latin/caucasian/asian I think I have a rare perspective on things. I actually think the Mets are racially biased to latins. I don’t like bias in any direction. Anyhow, it is OK to root for the Mets as a Yankees fan (well obviously not during the Subway series). Because it is simple, I can’t stand the Phillies.

by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Jun 12, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Me neither, really

I was just poking Eric a bit for a reaction. Honestly, I get tired of these games every single season. I would much prefer doing away with Interleague play entirely.

by Ed Valentine on Jun 12, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

"I would much prefer doing away with Interleague play entirely."

+1,000,000

Interleague play lost all luster for me after the 2000 World Series. I could care less about the Yankees – I’d rather have a few extra games against the Phillies and Braves (our real rivals) as I’m sure you guys would rather have extra games against the Red Sox (well, maybe not this year).

by cjmulrain on Jun 12, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

the schedule

really needs to go back to a balanced one. do we really need to play every division team 19 damn times?! its rather tedious. i like seeing a little variety like the White Sox, Mariners, A’s, etc.

by Travis G on Jun 12, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who cares?

I don’t hate the Mets, they barely register on my radar with the exception of their obnoxious fans who root against the Yankees more than for their own team.

The world would be a better place without interleague play, and the Yankees have literally nothing to gain from the experience.

by New York Sports Jerk on Jun 12, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Funny

I’m with ya Sports Jerk, I nothing the Mets (I’m a Yankee fan so who cares what the mets do). However, Met fans are SO more obnoxious than Bo Sox fans, and seem to always root harder for the Yankees to lose as opposed for their team to win. Funny story for proof: Freshman year of college we were playin’ the Daimondbacks in the heartbreaker series of 01’; and a couple of Yankee fans and I locked ourselves in the dorm room to avoid the 2 Mets fans on the floor that kept hootin’ and hollerin’ about how bad the Yankees were. Then Luis Gonzalez (if i remember right) broke our hearts… the met’s fans were breakin down the door…. so my friend opened the door punched the loud mouth Met’s fan in his mouth and said “How was your fu———- playoff run this year?” Ahhhh the memories.

by bdman318 on Jun 12, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

judge an entire fan base by 2 fans

that’s good. I, for one, was rooting for the Yankees in 2001. It was the only time in my life I ever rooted for them, and they let me down. It only solidified my hatred. And I have 3 friends who are Yankee fans who e-mailed me after the Mets collapsed in ’07 with obnoxious e-mails making fun of the Mets. Real classy.

That said, I really don’t care much one way or the other about the Yankees. Maybe part of it is b/c I no longer live in NY so I don’t have to deal with obnoxious Yankees fans as much, but part of it is b/c I’m a Mets fan who cares more about my team than a team in another league.

by cjmulrain on Jun 12, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like facing the Mets

somehow it gives off a feeling that they are the Yankees 2nd rival.

I know they’re not, but as a series following the last disaster, it really couldn’t be any better. The Mets are a good team, but they would still be battling it out with the Blue Jays for their spot in the AL East for eventual 4th place.

They’re better than the Orioles, but mainly cuz of Johan Santana. Their lineup is OK, but I wonder why that since Citi field is in actuality as much a bandbox as any NL east stadium, why does David Wright not have a whole bunch of dingers? Why is it not a bigger story?

by FreeBradshaw on Jun 12, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

CitiField

I don’t know but the Phillies didn’t seem to have a problem hitting balls out of that place

by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Jun 12, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Mets are a good team

and i like that the Yankees play them each year. some of the Interleague matchups (Yanks/Mets, Sox/Cubs) are good for baseball. every other matchup, especially fake rivalries like Reds/Indians, Rays/Marlins, Dodgers/Angels are annoying though.

i feel like Mets’ fans were far more obnoxious in the late 90’s that they are now. now that they’ve dealt with losing to the worst World Series-winning team in baseball history (’06 Cardinals) and the collapses of ’07, ’08, i feel like i can tolerate them more. the same fans that busted my chops about ’04, are the same ones that now know what it feels like.

i’m looking forward to this weekend.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Jun 12, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Citi Field

to freebradshaw…..the park is not the 4th easiest…its the 7th worst hr hitting park in MLB right now and if you actually watch games there, you would see how difficult it is….trust me milk man, jeter and damon wont be hiting hrs anytime soon in citi…not like your LL park you guys call a stadium!!!

by mets123456 on Jun 12, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

hold on

lets get this straight. from ESPN’s Park Factor, the Mets play in the 21st easiest hitter’s park (or 9th toughest), the Yanks are in the 8th easiest. however, in terms of HR, Mets Field has actually been a pretty easy place to do it: it increases HR by 33%, 2nd only to the Stadium, which increases HR by 56%.

but there’s still another 50 games to play in each park, so those may very well change. FYI, SF’s park is the toughest HR park.

by Travis G on Jun 12, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was saying its the 4th easiest part to hit HR

in so far this season. Yankee stadium is 1st tho.

Maybe if watched a few Met games you’d notice that the other team is hitting a whole lot of balls over the fence.

by FreeBradshaw on Jun 12, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can speak to this

because I married into a Mets household. I don’t believe the Yankee lefty hitters will have any more trouble hitting HRs at Citi Field than the Phillies lefty hitters did in the just completed series. Only time I truly root for the Mets is when they play the Red Sox. Other times when not playing the Yanks, I’m ambivilent to them. I just want the Yanks to sweep this series so I do not have to listen to My Father-in-Law and the rest of them for a while. I do agree that losing in September the las two seasons has taken most Mets fans down a peg or two. GO Yanks!

"I don't want one of those guys who'll drive in two but let in three every game." Casey Stengel

by tnredneckyankeesfan on Jun 12, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

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