Wang continues his excellence
For the fifth straight outing, Chien Ming-Wang lowered his ERA. How many others pitchers can say that right now?
I hope you had a chuckle there, because it's the only way to look at him and this series. Wang sucked again. And it could have been worse. He allowed nine baserunners in 2.2 innings.
Phil Hughes came on in relief and pitched (marginally) better, essentially making just one mistake (a two-run HR) - he also struck out five in 3.2 ip. I'm tempted to say it, but I won't...
The batters went 2-15 with RISP. Cano and Jeter went a combined 0-10.
If we lose tomorrow, with our best pitcher going against Boston's (second) worst, oh my lord, will the shit hit the fan.
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JUST SAY IT
give into ur temptations
by duffsta328 on Jun 10, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't hold back...
…tell your buddy Ed he’s dead wrong. Wang is garbage.
by New York Sports Jerk on Jun 10, 2009 11:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll say it!
Send Wang to the minors and start Hughs. Don’t let Wang return until he pitches 9 innings of shutout ball and strikes out at least 12 in one game!
by Tricon11 on Jun 10, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wang
I don’t believe he can go back to the minors without clearing waivers, which will never happen…someone will certainly take him. Secondly, he probably won’t regain the confidence he needs pitching in Triple A.
by Drflyfisher on Jun 10, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
true
he cannot simply be demoted, for he’d have to clear waivers. that’s why the Yanks had to fake an injury (imho) his first DL trip. i think Girardi will give him one more shot before putting him in the pen. he’s not even giving us a chance to win.
by Travis G on Jun 10, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol yankees fans
“someone will certainly take him”? yeah maybe as a batting practice pitcher.
typical yankees arrogance? :p
by j-ace on Jun 10, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
full disclosure
sox fan, but mean to disrespect
by j-ace on Jun 10, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually, someone
would take him.
btw, you’re doing nothing but trolling. you either add something useful, leave, or get banned.
by Travis G on Jun 11, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
go away!!
I think wang needs to go away for a while about a month. Go over all the spring training drills..
i like hughes better than struggling wang
by yankslocktowin on Jun 11, 2009 12:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So...
How many more starts/losses do we give him, these 5 or 6 games he lost for us might come back to bite us in the ass in September.
by bleachercreatures on Jun 11, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This was the Wang Choice
I would rather see Kei Igawa pitching at this point. All everybody talks about was how he won 19 games a couple years ago. Guess what, so did Fausto Carmona, he’s in Single A now. Dontrelle Willis was good a couple years ago too. They have to think about 2009, not 2007.
by YankeesJets on Jun 11, 2009 12:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
great comps:
Carmona and Willis, especially Fausto, a power sinkerballer that won 19 two years ago also. sometimes pitchers lose it for whatever reason. happened to Ankiel. happening to Carmona. happened to Halladay.
by Travis G on Jun 11, 2009 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stick the fork
Does it not, at some point, simply become too embarrassing to bear? Am I just lucky that i recognized it the very first game v. the Sox when Mariano let Jason Bay take him over the wall?
Where was that Home Run for the Yankees tonight? Or at least the single with a runner on second and one out?
Nowhere.
Remember what I say… This team has no heart. Are they not humiliated by the way they have let the Red Sox own them? Robinson Cano will N-E-V-E-R hit Jonathan Papelbon in the bottom of the ninth because to him it is just another at bat — and Jason Bay (or someone) will A-L-W-A-Y-S hit Mariano Rivera.
0-7. I never would have believed it — except for the fact i saw it with my own eyes the very first series of the year back in April. A pathetic joke. I don’t even watch anymore. I’ll re-convert when they are 8-7 v. the Sox. (ha ha ha). Go Joe! Go Dodgers!
by rosebud on Jun 11, 2009 12:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no heart?
I think 20 comeback wins out of 34 victories shows quite a bit of it. In fact, I think thats one of the most improved aspects of the team. Its a big problem that the yanks havent been able to beat the sox yet this season, but its a mental hurdle that this team can overcome. Part of overcoming it as well is destroying the propegation of this “sky is falling” bullshit that fans and media take up after such a situation.
by Ozone on Jun 11, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about those Sox fans chanting to A-Rod in the bottom of the ninth?
they cheered for Manny and Ortiz
what a bunch of hypocrites
by Brian5517209 on Jun 11, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not quite
Disclosure: Sox fan. OK. Now why shouldn’t we cheer Oritz? Nothing has been proven or admitted. Numbers dropping off doesn’t automatically mean steroids. Any real baseball fan knows that’s a dumb argument to make. Manny? He hasn’t been back to Boston yet. He’ll get booed, don’t worry. As to A-Rod? If this guy wasn’t in Pinstripes, would you not boo him, too? Give me a break.
by Seadog on Jun 11, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not if my team hosted roiders
which i think every team in MLB has had
by Brian5517209 on Jun 11, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rosebud, do u know anything about baseball?
The only two people that thought Wang was gonna pitch good were Girardi and Cashman. How do you think the players feel when they know they will be fighting an uphill battle after the first inning every time this guy starts. The Yankees have been winning season series against the Sox for a while now and it hasnt meant anything.
by YankeesJets on Jun 11, 2009 12:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What I know about baseball
That’s 0-7 “YankeesJets” — and Wang has only started two of them. 0-7 against your bitter rivals. NO HEART YANKEES. What, am I’m supposed to believe YOU KNEW they were going to lose because Wang was on the mound? Okay — so go root for a team that KNOWS its going to lose against its worst enemy. Better yet — go root for a team that actually puts a pitcher on the mound against its bitter rivals KNOWING its gonna lose.
That’s right — go waste your time.
Its about heart. Robbie Cano gets bitch-slapped by Pap again in the bottom of the ninth. Doesn’t matter to him — he’ll be playing a week from now as a Yankee in some other city making big money with a nice batting avg. so what’s the worry?
OWNED. This group is OWNED by the Sox — and if that is tolerable to you then you are not a Yankee fan.
THAT’s what I know about baseball. You belong at CitiField.
by rosebud on Jun 11, 2009 12:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's painful I agree
and Cano is not clutch i agree too
but when it comes down to it…we are still only a game down in the standings
and it’s not like any other team is worth rooting for
go Yanks
by Brian5517209 on Jun 11, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i can see questioning the yank’s decision to start Wang or Wang’s overall skill at this point. I can also see bringing up the mental edge the sox seemingly are maintaining over the yanks ever since their 3-0 alcs comeback. But questioning the heart of this yankee team is moronic. go take a sleigh ride to dodgerville rosebud and dont come back.
by Ozone on Jun 11, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rosebud
The Red Sox take a lot of pitches, so right off the bat you know Wang wont last long with a pitch count of 80. The pen was already taxed due to Burnett’s gem the night before. Do I find it acceptable? Hell no. But it’s not like theyre losing to a bad team. You are judging a teams heart on 8 games. Remeber a couple of years ago how all the Yankee fans wanted to play the Indians instead of the Angels in the playoffs because the Yanks owned the Tribe that year? Guess what, come playoff time the Indians(and the midges, great managing Joe) took out the Yanks.
by YankeesJets on Jun 11, 2009 1:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A hint for Brian
New Yorker living in L.A. now for many a year. Used to bleed Yankees. Want a team to root for (okay — at least keep your eye on?) Watch what Torre is building out here with the Dodgers. Want to know what it is? Its the ’96 Yankees. Its painful for me to say it too — but The Dodgers under Torre play with pride behind great pitching and grinding at bats. AND THEY C-A-R-E.
The Yankees have become a caricature of themselves. Big and powerful looking — with nothing under the hood when and where it counts. They are baseball’s General Motors. They’ll roll over all the other avg teams in the AL and probly make the playoffs — then they’ll get booted by the real teams in the league — and they’ll NEVER get by the Sox. Yeah — painful to say it.
by rosebud on Jun 11, 2009 1:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rosebud
More food for thought for you. Had the Yankees/Rays game not been rained out, Wang was matched up with Josh Beckett and Johan Santana in his next two starts. Maybe instead of questioning the teams heart, the thing that should be being questioned is the brain of whoever is making decisions like that.
by YankeesJets on Jun 11, 2009 1:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
YankeesJets, my take...
is probly not yours — so maybe we just agree to disagree — but my version of being a Yankee fan is Rule #1 “beat the Sox” — Rule #2 is everything else about a season.
Silly? Yeah — probably. But I cared very little in 2003 when we lost to the Marlins in the series. I was still on Cloud 9 over Boone’s bomb. THAT’s what i want out of the Yanks. i want them to compete — and I want them to lay it on the line against their bitter rivals.
0-7. That’s not competing. That’s slavery. Unacceptable. This is Sooooooooo NOT about Wang. Who are the other 5 losing Yankee pitchers?
by rosebud on Jun 11, 2009 1:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree but...
I dont think they all lack heart. Cano has a ton more talent than Pedroia but Pedroia gives it his all. I was hoping Cano would get traded for Kemp. I hate 0-7 but what can you do? They just want it more right now. Look at Burnett, he was 5-0 against the Sox before this year, now he stinks. I think they need to stick Hughes back in the rotation and leave him there. As far as Wang, being he stinks put him in the pen. He’ll fit right in.
by YankeesJets on Jun 11, 2009 1:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hughes is not the answer
More Pedroias and Bays and less Canos and A-Rods is the answer.
Speaking of Hughes, living here in L.A. I get a huge dose of L.A.’s version of “the wunderkind savior” BS when they talk about Andrew Bynum of the Lakers.
All the hype. But he hasn’t won a damn thing and even when he shows he hasn’t made a big dfrnce.
Phil Hughes is the Yankees Andrew Bynum.
Well, lets just enjoy what we can of the regular season, leave the country when the “Red Sox” appear on the schedule, enjoy our “first place” finish because the Sox can’t beat Toronto and Tampa Bay — and then cringe when we get booted in the first round of the playoffs. At least we’ll be spared having the Sox eliminate us since we can’t play them in the first round.
Sad times.
by rosebud on Jun 11, 2009 1:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You are kidding, right?
Hughes is only 22 and you are already making him out to be a bust. You probably also talked all kinds of garbage after Tex’s cold start. Where is your faith in the team? Not every team can play in an easy division like your Dodgers. Right now every thing is clicking for the Sox(sorry Ortiz, almost everything), but baseball is a game of ups and downs, you never know what will happen later on.
by YankeesJets on Jun 11, 2009 1:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hughes is not a bust
he is just a number 3 starter in the AL central — mark my words. Tex? Wouldn’t judge him after a bad April start (and didn’t) cuz the guy n-e-v-e-r hits in April. Tex? NOW you are talking about the direction the team needs to go. He’s this team’s Paul O’Niel.
As for my faith in the team — gone. It sailed over the wall with Bay’s home run in Game One on the road to 0-7. I saw that it was the Sox that were the team that refused to lose to a team they hated. I saw Mo no longer had the answer. I’ve since seen Cano and most of the rest of this bunch never will.
So I have become a non-believer. Just glad Joe’s out here now. Very sad for me.
by rosebud on Jun 11, 2009 1:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate it but it's fascinating
how the mentality of these two teams has flip-flopped.
The Yanks see the way to the World Series going through the Sox and put pressure on themselves when they match up.
The Sox see the World Series as their rightful place and feel as comfortable against the Yanks as any other opponent.
The Yanks are the team that needs a metaphysical breakthrough to release them from this mental funk they have created
Could a complete game game smack down from C.C. tomorrow provide that? Damn right. It would put us back in a tie for first and give this team some mental Red Bull ( full disclosure; I despise Red Bull and think it’s made from stolen holy water and crocodile seamen).
"Here, if you have a milkshake, and I have a milkshake, and I have a straw. There it is, that's a straw, you see? You watching?. And my straw reaches acroooooooss the room, and starts to drink your milkshake... I... drink... your... milkshake!"-Daniel Plainview
by yankee come lately on Jun 11, 2009 1:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Reah - Fascinating -- like a train wreck.
I’ve taught myself not to watch. I’m like Tom Cruse in “A Few Good Men” — I can’t handle the truth.
I take solace in Torre’s Dodgers — and I HATE the National League like you hate Red Bull.
by rosebud on Jun 11, 2009 1:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude no offense
but fuck the Dodgers.
"Here, if you have a milkshake, and I have a milkshake, and I have a straw. There it is, that's a straw, you see? You watching?. And my straw reaches acroooooooss the room, and starts to drink your milkshake... I... drink... your... milkshake!"-Daniel Plainview
by yankee come lately on Jun 11, 2009 2:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah -- i understand.
Guess I’m still a New Yorker. But still…..
by rosebud on Jun 11, 2009 2:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets be realistic
The Yankees are a game out on June 10th. This after a start that featured Tex not hitting, ARod not playing for a month, CC struggling, nothing out of you projected number 2(Wang), and a bullpen that sees Brian Bruney as it’s savior. On top of that both catchers missed a good chunk of time, Mo is coming off surgery, Nady is out, and Matsui looks like he can hardly walk anymore and Damon has been playing hurt for what seems like forever. Yet even with Girardi’s awful managing, and being 0-7 against the Sox, they are only a game out. It could be so much worse.
by YankeesJets on Jun 11, 2009 2:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and after tonight
we can very well be tied for first.
or should i say – we better be tied for first
by holycowboy on Jun 11, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh "the Season" will go fine
They have too much talent and too many other mediocre teams to play for them to fail. But they are now owned by The Red Sox — not even in the fight really — and to me that is enough to write them off.
i loved the old Yankees too much to tolerate 0-7 from these heartless mercenaries.
by rosebud on Jun 11, 2009 3:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Id give Wang one more start
He’s earned it with his past. I was originally thinking he needs 3-5 starts, but you just can’t keep trotting out there like he did yesterday.
He needed to throw strike, but when he did he threw them right over the plate. Burnett did the same thing, they do know that there are 2 sides of the plate right? I guess when you have no idea where its going there really isn’t.
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 11, 2009 8:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The past, the past, the past
You keep talking about what Wang has done in the past like it matters in 2009. He’s made 5 starts and been brutal in all 5. If Tampa’s bullpen wasn’t a disaster, he’d be 0-5.
Hughes at least gives the team a chance to win, Wang hasn’t done that once. His longest start is 4.2 innings, and when he’s left his starts, the team has been trailing by a combined score of 27-3.
If I have to watch him pitch on Tuesday night at the Stadium on my birthday, I can’t be held accountable for my actions.
by New York Sports Jerk on Jun 11, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes the past...
If Wang was an aging, over the hill, overpayed former star, then yea then I’d be running him right out of town.
The guy’s 29 Y/O, coming off a major injury. PRIOR to that injury, the guy aside from your beliefs was a very good pitcher, damn near winning a CY Young (tho just like the past few Yankee pitchers who came close, a Blue Jay stole it)
I hope he does pitch on your birthday, it would be a nice gift. He does bad I’ll finally stop defending him for this season. I won’t bash him, but I’ll say he doesn’t deserve to be in the rotation.
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 11, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if the Yankees win the division
and yet somehow lose every game against the Red Sox…how would you rate the season?
by holycowboy on Jun 11, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather not think about it
But if that were to happen, it would be evaluated on how they did in the playoffs. I don’t care what happens in the regular season if they win the World Series.
by New York Sports Jerk on Jun 11, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wang wasnt ready to be out there for this kind of game yesterday. I would have started Hughes and gone to Wang in relief if the right situation presented itself or he was needed to eat a few innings.
by Ozone on Jun 11, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No Clue what is wrong
Earlier in the season his velocity was quite lower than usual. He was in the low 80’s to low 90’s. Last night he hit 96. His control simply is not there from what I can see. He threw maybe 3 sinkers for strikes and they were high sinkers. He walked three and was consistently behind in the count. It may be a confidence issue. He may be bat shy. I have no idea. Something similar happened the last year Kevin Brown was here. he just lost it completely. But he was 40 and obviously done. It’s to easy to say that if his sinker does not sink he’s in trouble. From what I could see last night his sinker was never a strike at any point in the pitch. It started low at the point of release and got to the plate almost in the dirt. That may be a release point issue. Vernon Wells once said that Wang’s sinker was so heavy and devastating that you could not get on top of it. Even if you knew it was coming you could not have hit it. That’ is what Wells said. Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before you can start to get up again. If he has not yet hit rock bottom then rock bottom must be really far, far down. Part of it also that the Red Sox MURDER fastball pitchers if they’re not getting other stuff over (See AJ Burnett) and Wang threw lots of those last night. Straight fastballs. His velocity is such that he could get away with the 4-seamer if he’s throwing his change-up and slider for strikes. He was not. He was a one-speed pitcher.
by chambliss76 on Jun 11, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This was the wang choice
This is racially offensive statement by Yankeesjets. I mean I will admit Wang sucks and he is probably finished. Criticize him for his performance not based on his race and this statement by Yankeesjets is what it is hurtful and unAmerican to alot of Asians in this country. Even if this statement was a joke it was a crude and demeaning one. The fact there is still discrimination in this great country makes this statement wrong not wang.
by bcw420 on Jun 11, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it wasn't a slur
it was just a pun: Wang rhymes with wrong.
by Travis G on Jun 11, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasnt meant as an ethnic slur
Give a break. That’s whats wrong with this country nowdays. No matter what you write or say somehow it will offend someone. You dont like it? Too bad, we live in America and last I checked there was still a thing called Freedom Of Speech.
by YankeesJets on Jun 11, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wrong rhymes with wong, so does long
I dont hear people say 2 longs dont make a right. Freedom of speech? Tell your boss you think his wife is a whore and you will be fired the next day. Freedom of speech is not absolute yell fire in a movie theatre and see if you dont get punished. Slander and defame someone and see if you dont get sued. Yes this is American. Why dont we say 2 rons dont make a right. When Lidge plays a brad game get it? Now let me think would Brad Lidge appreciate that? You have the right to speak to a certain extent and I have a right to be offended, obviously your not Asian so of course your not offended. This is not about PC is about respecting other people’s race and culture. Could it be possible that someone might make the inference that the statement was demeaning ?
by bcw420 on Jun 12, 2009 1:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
YankeesJets
From the perspective of an Asian, a group that sometimes is treated badly, disrespected, not considered american enough still in this country, could it be at least conceivable that an Asian might feel slighted? We can make this country better when we put outselves in another’s shoes. I ask you be respectfully when you write, but your right you can say whatever you want, and anybody can get feedback.
by bcw420 on Jun 12, 2009 1:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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