This one falls on Mo
by Travis G on Apr 24, 2009 11:51 PM EDT
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PrintThe pitchers did a great job holding Boston to two runs for eight innings.
If you're going to say the Yankee hitters didn't get the job done with RISP (they only went 4-19), you have to say the same for Boston (who went 3-14). The Yanks grounded into three double plays while Boston hit into four. Neither team hit well with runners on. Those aspects cancel each other out.
You can't blame Marte either. He's the sixth guy in the bullpen for a reason. Mo is the closer. He has to shut the door there. A two-run lead in the 9th is what made closers exist for.
These kinds of innings happen to Mo once in a while - we just have to hope they don't start occurring more frequently now that he's 39.
Would Bruney have fared better than Marte in the 11th? Quite possibly, but it would have burned out our #2 reliever with a day game tomorrow.
It's rather ironic that in two of Joba's three games (the ones where he pitched well), the bullpen has blown it for him.
PS: the balk in the 1st inning was utter bullshit and may have been the difference.
PPS: Apparently Bruney is hurt, Ransom and Wang are DL'ed, and Robertson's up.
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Mo
Yeah, he didn’t get the job done. But, he should not have had to come in the game in the 8th. And, it never should have been close. Yanks were, what, 4-for-19 with RISP? Should have won this game easily.
Mo
Should NEVER have been in the 8th. WTF is Girardi doing, he is making poor tactical decisions. If he is using his “gut” I would rather he stopped and used his head. He is supposed to be a smart manager not a fly by the seater like Pinella.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Apr 25, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions
During the game
I thought it was a panic move to bring Mariano in in the 8th, but now knowing Bruney is hurt, it is not the worst move (he still only threw about 20 pitches or so). The only move that still seems weird to me is yanking Coke given that Bay is not really better against lefties and Coke was pitching well (and got squeezed by the ump I think with Drew the batter before). If he stayed with Coke he may have been able to stretch the pen more on a thin night.
of all the teams to get a BS to
it had to be our rivals
wtf
and that balk in the 1st
was complete bullshit
way to give the Red Sux a game in the standings umpire crew
you better not fuck up tomorrow and Sunday
Actually it was a balk
Joba didn’t come to a complete stop with his hands.
Plus they didn’t score, so what was the big deal on that?
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
but they never call that
and they did score, the first run, Ellsbury on a passed ball after the balk.
Mo is fine
he usually is lights out so I’m not gonna get on him too much. Although he should’ve held the leadm he’s been so great this year I’ll leave it alone. Wow 4-19 w/RISP that;s awful. Texeira can’t hit in big spots well for that matter no one on this team is right now. And Marte is just plain terrible. He shouldn’t be here at all what a disaster he is. This whole bullpen sucks except for Bruney and Mo. Joba was good last nigh though.
by Blazer Fan From Ohio on Apr 25, 2009 6:47 AM EDT reply actions
How many times
has Mo blown a save against the Red Sox?
Is it me or does it seem like it happens a lot (relatively)? like is there some stats that show which teams he has had BS’s against…and are the Red Sox proportionally high on that list?
Mo has
12 blown saves versus the Sox, the most against any team. That is out of 56 opportunities, so he has converted 79% of them. That seems like relatively a lot, since his career save percentage is 88.9% (second best all-time), but the Sox are also consistently the best lineup he faces so I would think they would have the best shot of anyone to have a higher success rate against him.
Hitting with RISP
The blame falls on Mo a bit but the hitting with RISP has to pick up. Cashman likes to say it’s a cyclical thing but last year they were pretty bad with RISP and so far this year they’ve been bad to. The statistic can be a bit deceptive since they beat Cleveland 6-5 last Friday and hit 5 solo hrs, which is the equivalent of 5 hits with RISP. I’m gonna throw this question out there to whoever wants comment: Has anyone noticed that Jeter, Damon and Posada have difficulty with really hard throwers? There bat speed seems to be on the wane and with their age I suppose that could be pretty normal. Conversely the Sox might have the best fastball-hitting team in the majors. I know it’s a generalization but if anyone feels the same please comment.
Another typical bullpen over-management
for Jod G.
Girardi
He did a terrific job with the bullpen last season. So far this year, though, his moves have consistently left me shaking my head.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 25, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought Girardi did fine yesterday
You can’t really say that he did a bad job. I remember earlier in the season that going to Coke and Veras too early cost the game and that they should have brought Mo in, but now they bring Mo in and its wrong??
Jason Bay got an incredible ball to hit. Looking at the pitch, it didn’t even look like a cutter, it looked straight so who knows either he was throwing a 4 seemer or it just didn’t cut.
either way, I take Mo in the 9th against Jason Bay any single day of the week.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Who's really to blame? Not Mo
Why should this one be on MO? put blame where blame belongs. Come on does the media, Hank and Joe Girardi think they can fool the fans with their bull. Anyone with a good eye can see what the Yankee issues are. It starts with Cashman who over spends on questionable talent, players and managers. He needs help in building a team. Then there is Girardi who has not shown that he can generate wins by playing small-smart ball. Like taking Coke out of the Boston game because the Umpire blue a third strike call. Coke sould have pitched a lot longer. Then there is Yankee over priced talent, they can’t always produce home runs and run scoring singles. We all know that. Yankee prima donna players are hardly ever asked to bunt by Girardi, maybe they don’t know how! Listen to this, its a great example of what Girardi did all last year and now this year.
Last night against Boston the Yankees missed a chance to add to their 4-2 lead in the ninth. They loaded the bases on a hit batter and two walks (all gifts), but Robinson Cano bounced to Pedroia, the second baseman, who fired home to start a double play. Then Melky Cabrera fouled out. Girardi did not like the fact that Boston was giving them the game, he gave it back. He should have bunted and got at least one run. Then you’d have two more outs, most likely with first base open (not a double play situation) to score on a fly ball or grounder. Hey lets all pay excessive ticket prices and see them lose because they are too good to play smart baseball. I’m sick of it.
Sky is not falling
But the Yankees had this game. They chances to blow it open, they had chances to shut it down. It showed me they need a LITTLE more fire in their bellies because it seemed like in the end, Boston was the ones with the fire.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Apr 25, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's really to blame? Not Mo.
Do you mean bunt when they had the bases loaded and no outs in the 9th on Friday?
Joba looked freaked out to start the game
but you have to give the devil his due: Joba showed some heart. He battled all night.
Wierd mix of great pitches and pitches with bad location (over the plate, off the plate)
Same for Lester. Some great pitches, many terrible pitches. Both pitchers showed talent, neither had control.
Rivera and Marte looked pretty good, except for a couple bad pitches
it is April
Exactly its one game
and if the Yanks trounce the Sux today, no one remembers this game.
It was one game, a rare game in which Rivera actually gets beat. Its baseball and crap like this happens all the time.
I mean, Jose Molina was on base every single at bat…..If that’s not rare and a sign of what’s to come, I don’t know what is.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 25, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
not QUITE right
we Sox fans will savor this memory for years, come what may
but I agree that it was only one game
Why is a sox fan on a Yankees site
Don’t you have better things to do? Yes you will be savoring this for years because it is gonna be the highlight of your season since you ain’t making it deep into the post season.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Apr 25, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Closers are a fascinating bunch
In one inning save-situation, there is no harder feat in sports than scoring on Rivera. But ask him to pitch an inning and a third, or bring him into a tie game and he’s a run-of-the-mill reliever. And I don’t think its just Mo, a lot of the elite closers suffer the same problems.
Wow
Amazing that you seem to know this about Mo and JoeG hasn’t figured it out yet. NEVER PITCH MO IN THE EIGHTH.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Apr 25, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
This one falls on Girardi
It wasn’t Mo’s fault, he is no long 28, you can’t pitch him more than an inning. Girardi doesn’t know how to use his bullpen.
Girardi is terrible
Again Girardi doing a terrible job managing the bullpen, which is unable to get any Red Sox hitters out. How come we leave all these runners on base and can’t get any insurance runs. PUT JOBA back in the pen where he belongs. He has to stabilize it without Bruney, who else do we have? MARTE? are u kidding me?
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