I'll ask again:
by Travis G on Apr 18, 2009 11:38 PM EDT
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PrintChien Ming-Wang is single-handedly losing us games. How long will he continue to be given that chance? Does anyone think Phil Hughes or even Ian Kennedy could possibly pitch worse than Wang has? Even Kei Igawa doesn't pitch this poorly.
I feel for the guy, I really do, but he just isn't right. It's frankly embarrassing for him, the team and the fans. Perhaps he needs to be sent to Triple-A to work on his mechanics (if that's the only problem), while someone else pitches every five days who can at least give us a chance to win.
PS: the Indians matched the most runs scored against the Yankees in the last 55 years!
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as the cliche goes
“3 strikes and you’re out”
i really like the guy, and he has been great for us in the past, and hopefully will be again in the near future…but right now we can’t send him out there again
a minor league stint, masked as a trip to the “DL” to save some embarassment, should be the next move
bring on hughes
His arm slot is way off
He keeps coming out 3/4 or even sidearm. Either his shoulder has spurs or he needs to go down and work on his release point.
On the bright side, the stadium didn’t boo him as bad as he deserved, so maybe his head won’t be as screwed up as it should be, considering how bad he pitched; really the cat-calls could have been much worse. Maybe it was because it was such a beautiful day.
"Here, if you have a milkshake, and I have a milkshake, and I have a straw. There it is, that's a straw, you see? You watching?. And my straw reaches acroooooooss the room, and starts to drink your milkshake... I... drink... your... milkshake!"-Daniel Plainview
by yankee come lately on Apr 19, 2009 12:14 AM EDT reply actions
Send him
to see Harvey Dorfman, the famous sports psychologist who had helped Roy Halladay.
Agree
Get rid of him, glad I didn’t have a chance to watch this fiasco. Bring on Phil Franchise or Kennedy.
He can't be sent down
So you better have an idea how you want to make him right that doesn’t involve that.
Never mind
Found out the reason from Pete’s blog (lohud)
Giving up 23 earned runs in six innings over three starts is beyond struggling, of course. It’s reason to consider a demotion. That, though, is not possible according to Girardi. A team cannot send a player to the minors unless they have options or the player agrees and has at least five years of service. Wang has no options and hasn’t been in the majors long enough.
Because...
he’s out of options.
A player has options to be sent to and recalled from the minors during his first 3 seasons on his team’s 40-man roster. Once those option seasons are done, a player can be sent to the minors by being outrighted there. Unfortunately, this means exposing that player to waivers, meaning that another team could claim him, which is something the Yankees probably don’t want to risk with Wang.
There is one other alternative: Once a player has 5 full seasons of MLB service time, the team can ask him once(and only once, I believe) to accept an optional assignment to the minors that the player can’t refuse(for that first time only). Unfortunately for the Yankees, Wang doesn’t yet have 5 full seasons of MLB service time. As of the end of 2008, he’s at 3 years, 159 days, and will need all of 2009 and some of 2010 to get to 5 years.
So, that puts the Yankees in a tough spot with regard to Wang, sorry to say.
Just find a reason
to put him on the 15-day DL and send him to Dorfman ASAP.
When a career 54-23 pitcher, who outpitched Halladay and CC last season, is in big trouble, you should try everything you can to fix him, not dump him like a bag of garbage .
He needs to
go on the DL – he’s got a mental issue. It would be cruel to send him back out there. I think he also needs to go down to the minors as others have suggested.
Bring up Phll or IPK.
Wang actually pitched better than his last start.
I think the special bullpen session in Tampa did help a bit.
He’s been sidelined for too long.
He needs to face more hitters to recall his body’s memory.
Let him throw his bullpen session on the mound facing Yankees hitters.
Wang
Of course it is time to be concerned. His turn will have to be skipped next time around. I can’t believe a guy with his track record, who is not old, will continue to pitch this badly
Watching him
He looks like he is crouching more on his delivery and not utilizing his height. This flattens the trajectory and slows down velocity. The absolute two worst things you can do to a pitcher, especially a sinkerballer who traditionally can throw mid 90s.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Apr 19, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Wang
I totally agree. Send the guy down and let him get his confidence back. He looked like he didn’t ave a clue. I believe he is a good guy and can probably still pitch. Remember, this guy won 38 games his first two years. But, if management continues to let him get shelled, I’m afraid it will mess his head up for good.
Can't go down
No options, they would lose him because they would have to waive him. The guy won 19 games back to back seasons not long ago. No way he gets thru waivers. Yanks will just have to keep working with him and get him back on track.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 19, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
One major problem with your scenario:
Wang can’t be sent down without exposing him to waivers. Do you really want to take the chance the some other team would claim him for $20,000?
no, but he can go on the DL
with ‘shoulder fatigue’ (or some other BS) and make rehab starts in the minors.
Your article said he should be sent to Triple-A
Nothing in your article mentions the DL. How about doing a little homework before writing a front page article?
He's got to get one more start
to at least show something. I’m the first one to say that the guy has earned really long leash, but he just has not done anything on the mound but get worse.
Even Dice K is not as MLB proven as Wang. He got put on the DL already, but I think Wang gets one more shot.
If he at least shows improvement I think he stays. Id call up someone who can pitch a long outing just so that they have a starter there just in case he blows up again.
He will get skipped
his next turn. There is an off day, so he won’t pitch for 9 or 10 days. Let him clear his head and — hopefully — straighten out his mechanics.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 19, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions
True. But if after all that he still gets shellacked, then it is
DL time followed by minor league rehab.
Put him out there
Tell Wang, we are putting you in the Lion’s den. Red Sox at Fenway. You succeed you stay up, you don’t you are going on the DL. This issue he is having is just as much Eiland’s fault than Wang. The pitching coach should be able to spot what is wrong with the mechanics after 3 pitches, Eiland seems flabbergasted.
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Apr 19, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions
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