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How long is the leash?

It's not as if Chien Ming-Wang is pitching merely poorly; he's been atrocious through two games. Even a poor start like 5 ip, 5 er gives your team a chance to win, but 1 ip, 8 er (!) is a death blow. Dave Eiland has his work cut out for him.

How long will Wang be part of the rotation if he doesn't rebound? Does he get until the end of the month? Two more starts?

Speaking of a leash, how long will Cody Ransom play 3b? He finally got his second hit of the season, but also mis-played a pop-up, struck out and GIDP'ed.

- The last play of tonight's game was a microcosm: Carlos Pena made a great stab, saving an error for the third-baseman. Tampa played incredible defense, saving Kazmir at least a couple runs (Crawford stole two hits from Swisher, and Upton made a Mays-esque catch on Nady). The Yankees, on the other hand, muffed an infield pop-up and a short pop to left field.

- Nick Swisher is quickly becoming one of my favorite Yankees. That he would tip his cap to Carl Crawford and then happily take the ball to pitch an inning speaks to his over-flowing love of baseball. By the way, when was the last time an American Leaguer homered and struck out a batter in the same game? (It's a rhetorical question.)

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[as ugly a WPA graph as it gets]

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Travis my friend

I can’t believe you have already tossed out the ‘how long can CMW stay in the rotation’ card. Yes, these have been two very ugly starts. But, this guy won 38 games over two seasons and was the Yanks best starter before getting hurt last season. I’m concerned about him, too, because he doesn’t look right. But, let’s not run him out of town just yet. Let’s just see if Dave Eiland can get him right, because he is one of the game’s better starters when he’s right.

by Ed Valentine on Apr 13, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

hold on

i never said he should be ‘run out of town’. i only posed the question of how long will he be allowed to perform this badly. this isn’t even bad, it’s AWFUL, game-over-before-it-begins bad.

btw, the last time a Yankee pitcher went less than 4 ip and 7+ ER in 2 straight starts is… never! (at least since 1954, and that’s only bc the records dont go back any further).

by Travis G on Apr 13, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow!!

That’s an amazing stat. I just have faith that Wang will get straightened out because he has a solid track record.

by Ed Valentine on Apr 14, 2009 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta give the guy at least 5 starts

Sending him down is not gonna help. He will be fine. I’ll start gettting concerned after his next start if he does this again.

Its not like he’s the only one to suck his first few starts. From what I saw in his highlights, he was getting the ball up too much and getting killed on it.

He’s hasn’t pitched a major league game in 8 months unlike most of these other guys. He’s gonna struggle with command for a while.

He gets lit up his next start then its time to start looking into it.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 14, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

With a sinkerball pitcher like Wang

either his sinker is dropping or it isn’t. When it is, you see a lot of ground outs and double plays. When it isn’t, he might as well pitch batting practice. I’d like to think that it’s a problem with his mechanics that Eiland can easily identify and correct, like he did with C.C.

by django48 on Apr 14, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

You knew going in...

that defense was going to be a problem in certain parts of the field.

Nevertheless – it’s clear CMW’s mechanics aren’t right and aren’t close to right — the problem is where does he work out those issues?

Scranton? That’s a tough one. He’d be facing lesser hitters but the impact of ‘working it out’ would be lessened. Plus, he could go 5-6 and give up 20 runs, at least he’d get pitches in.

Tampa? Have him throw at the complex until he wears his arm out? NOt really an option, I don’t think.

Best bet is to live with it at the ML level. He’s probably pressing, too since he wants to ‘get it back’ — and when that happens, you’re guaranteed to elevate your pitches. He’s better off working daily with Eiland and if he’s still screwy in May, then we can worry about it.

Unless….unless there’s something wrong that nobody knows about. And that’s a possibility, too.

Ransom can’t be kidnapped away fast enough.
Matsui has looked old and slow at the plate (no bat speed, late pitch recognition).
Melky still looks like he just got b*tch slapped.
Jeter and Damon are off to awfully slow starts.

Swisher is the new #5 starter. Joba goes to the pen. <<< That should right the universe (kidding).

by detroit yankee on Apr 13, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't forget

Wang didn’t pitch for about 8 months or so and his head is probably still in his shoe. He might need several more starts before he even begins to get it figured out. It would be nice if, in the meantime, he would, like you say, do some of the 5-5 instead of the 1-8’s but the Yanks aren’t going to panic. They’ll keep running him out there and get it worked out.

by Peter Lacock on Apr 13, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions  

running out of town

wang to scranton to work on mechanics, hughes had a great spring and should be fifth starter for the time being.

ramiro pena should play third, cut cody and call up angel berroa to be utility man

swap dj and johnny back to where they belong

by kingofdupontcircle on Apr 14, 2009 12:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Well

he looked alright in ST, and no report of injury yet, so probably at least a few more starts before there’s any serious thought of other alternatives. it’s not like he’s looking like he has YIPS (walking everyone ) or completely lost all velocity .

He’s probably fine, that doesn’t make these couple of starts any less painful though. then again, he’s had stretches in the past few years where he just went out of wack and got crushed in a few game, though none was quiet as bad as the one today.

by RollingWave on Apr 14, 2009 5:20 AM EDT reply actions  

Ransom should headline this

Not Wang, who has proven in the past he can get guys out. I’m confident he’ll turn it around.

On the other hand, Cody Ransom looks completely over-matched in his AB’s and wears his frustration on his sleeve. He also plays shoddy defense. Maybe it’s time to call up Angel Berroa.

by BigSlim on Apr 14, 2009 8:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Angel Berroa

Well, I think it would be a good time to call up Angel Berroa but the question is can he play 3rd base? If he can hold his own over there I think it would be a good move to bring up him up now because he is a better hitter than Ransom as well. Whoever thinks Wang shouldn’t be in the rotation…… you people are idiots he’s been our ace for like 3 years he’ll be fine.
And, as far as the insults you people keep sending my way, I don’t care what you say about me. My life’s been threatened so much over my sexuality I’ve almost committed suicide so someone calling me a troll ain’t gonna make me go away. In fact the more you insult me the more annoying I can be……….

by Blazer Fan From Ohio on Apr 14, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Listen up, people!

Let’s just try to get along. Nobody here wants to threaten anybody – and if they do they won’t be allowed to stay. I honestly have no idea what went on here before Travis and I took over this site a few weeks ago, but there are things I expect FROM EVERYONE.
- We will try to get along.
- We will respect each other’s opinions. Almost everyone here comes in because they love the Yankees.
- It’s OK to disagree. It’s not OK to personally attack someone, for any reason. It’s also not OK to call each other names.
- If you are going to comment (I am talking to EVERYONE) have something intelligent to say. If you just want to rip somebody, keep it to yourself. That’s juvenile nonsense, and that IS NOT what this site will be about.

We will run a classy, mature site. We will not run a juvenile site full of name-calling and stupidity. Live with it, people!

by Ed Valentine on Apr 14, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that given

the expectations being placed on this team this season, Wang will probably get at least two more starts to work the kinks out mechanically. Watching his past two starts it appears obvious to me that he knows something is wrong, he doesn’t appear to have any confidence out there at all. We need a strong CMW in the rotation, so I’m willing to be a bit more patient. Based on what CMW has contributed so far, I feel he deserves the benefit of the doubt.

by FrankDiscussion on Apr 14, 2009 10:17 AM EDT reply actions  

7 Games in, and...

Wang needs a little more rope. He’s earned it. Maybe he’s too strong after the lay-off. Don’t they say sinker-ball pitchers need to be a little worked to get the ball down?

And I agree about Swish. I can’t remember a new Yankee to make this big a splash in the first week (at least since Oscar Azocar), and they’re only 3-4. He’s a New York cult hero and they haven’t played a home game yet.

by BacktimeTV on Apr 14, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not worried

Realistically, we’re talking about 4.2 bad innings and 134 bad pitches. It’s a tiny sample size Exclude his two starts this season, and Wang has posted an above average ERA over nearly 630 major league innings and 8,900 pitches.

So, just like we know Nick Swisher isn’t going to slug 1.150 for the season, I’m confident that once the season is over, Wang’s ERA for 2009 will look a lot like his career ERA.

by 3460kuri on Apr 14, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Exactly

It’s a very rough patch for CMW, but guys who have a proven track record over a period of years usually end up the season in the ballpark of their career body of work.

by Ed Valentine on Apr 14, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Skip Wang one start

i think Wang should be skipped one start to work on mechanics down in Tampa. Connors has a way of fixing guys. Ransom needs to go but Berroa isn’t the problem because he is not a third baseman either. He also has a scattershot arm. I wonder if branyan is available?

chandler knight

by ae2cdk on Apr 14, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

problem with skiiping Wang-

Wang is usually worse on long rest… he winds up over-throwing the sinker and it doesn’t sink.

by NumberSeven on Apr 14, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know that Wang has been great through the years but

it seems ridiculous to think that the Yankees will send him out there to get blown out in the first inning 5 times before they do something. If he continues to be as bad as he has been—certainly if he cannot pitch past the first inning in his next next start, they will either find enough soreness to put him on the DL or at least skip a start or let him get some work done in AAA.
If he were just being mediocre to lousy, they’d let him work it out in the big club but he has been catastrophically bad. Even Igawa has not pitched this poorly.

by garp on Apr 14, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

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