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WBC is hardly a 'Classic'

The World Baseball Classic is a farce. Sure, some of the games are mildly entertaining and a couple of improbable victories by the Netherlands generated some buzz, but this event should hardly be called a 'Classic.'

The World Baseball Money Grab by the Joke of a Commissioner, maybe, but not the World Baseball Classic.

There are so many problems with this event that it is ridiculous. Obviously, though, you have to start with the tremendous risks taken by major league players who are not ready to be going all-out in high-pressure situations yet.

Chipper Jones, Dustin Pedroia, Ryan Braun, Matt Lindstrom, Robinson Cano and Damaso Marte have already suffered injuries participating in the Classic. Don't tell me Lindstrom's shoulder injury didn't have something to do with the Florida Marlins' closer reaching back for a little extra something he doesn't have yet after surrendering a home run Sunday night then firing a brush back pitch that nearly ignited a brawl. It's no coincidence he left just a few pitches later.

The injury toll alone is enough to give every team around baseball pause before ever allowing their players to participate again.

There is the fact that USA fans always have to view these game with mixed emotions. I watched a little of last night's USA-Netherlands game, and my heart was in my throat when Derek Jeter had to whirl away from a pitch that nearly drilled him in the hand.

There is the makeup of the rosters. David Ortiz had to play first base for the Dominican Republic. You think that made the Red Sox happy? Catcher Brian McCann of the Braves got stuck in the outfield the other night, where he had never played. That could not have gone over well with Atlanta management.

There is the fact that you have starting pitchers on very limited pitch counts. The fact that these pitchers are not yet ready to throw meaningful pitches is risky for them, and skews the results of the action on the field.

There is the fact that this tournament pushes back the start of the regular major league season, and will push the World Series into November. God forbid you get two East Coast teams in the Fall (or should I say, Winter?) Classic.

Here is a question for Bud Selig. What is your priority, Commissioner? Is it the integrity of the league you are charged with guiding and the health of its players, or is it global marketing and pursuit of the dollar?

I think I know the answer.

Jeff Passan of Yahoo! Sports has quite possibly been the biggest critic of this year's WBC. First, he ripped Team USA and Manager Davey Johnson after the team didn't even know the rules in its mercy rule loss to Puerto Rico. Today, Passan is again criticizing the event, though with a cautionary note.

There’s a sinking feeling, especially as the injuries mount, that teams will increasingly use the risk factor as a convenient excuse to withhold players. The WBC is only as good as its players, and to have a respected organization like Atlanta questioning the tournament – as the Braves certainly should do, even if commissioner Bud Selig begs otherwise – presents another roadblock on a highway filled with orange barrels.

The good news is, Major League Baseball has time to fix this. The WBC is here to stay. It makes too much money, and for all the talk of spreading the game internationally, long-term plays don’t fly if short-term bets bleed. It can mature into the premier event it shows flashes of becoming. This is only the second go-around, so perhaps these are simply growing pains.

For now, though, it could use some analgesic. It’s banged up pretty good.

I don't know exactly how to fix this event, and I still question whether it is worth having at all. I do know, however, that the risks to the health of big-league players and the integrity of the big-league season don't justify the financial rewards Selig's sport may reap.

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Just wanted to let you know that I attended last weekend’s games in Toronto and you couldn’t be more wrong. For the USA/Canada game there was a playoff atmosphere with the place almost sold out and everyone on their feet in the 9th inning with the score 6-5 U.S. and Canada having the tieing run on second. For the other games, there were several thousand Venezualans with faces painted and draped in flags who were loving their national team, especially when they beat the U.S.. Americans just don’t get it, but I guarantee you that the players and the fans from other countries do. Americans are spoiled and take for granted the opportunities this country gives them to make millions of dollars. They are too afraid that they will get hurt to put that aside and represent the country that gives them those opportunities. Sure there is the possibility they will get hurt, but that possibility exists in spring training as well. The WBC games that I attended were some of the most fun I have ever had at a baseball game. it is a great event for fans and would be even better if the players weren’t so chicken shit. The Venezualans had all of their best players and so did Canada. I was at a reception in one of the sky boxes and Bobby Abreu and Felix Hernandez came up and thanked the fans for coming so far to support them and promised to play hard and try to win for them. They obviously get it. Too bad more Americans don’t.
         Tim Sherman

by shermn8r on Mar 16, 2009 9:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We do get it

We just care about the real season, and not some dumb exhibition. We are fans of our respective teams, and don’t want to see the season changed by injury in an exhibition. Sorry about that. If there is a WBC at all, it should take place at the end of the season, when at least players are in shape and pitchers are stretched out.

by Buzzy on Mar 16, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

doing it at the end of the season

brings problems too. guys are beat up- shoulders are sore, knees are creaking… there really is no good time to do this.

I have myself have enjoyed watching the WBC games this year.. Am I crossing my fingers no Yankees get injured? Hell yeah I am. Would I miss it if it went away? Probably not.

I don’t think there’s any good way to fix this. You can’t just force something like this to work. Sutcliffe and O’Brien (they were the commentators on ESPN) were talking about it during the game last night. Sutcliffe argued that the amount of these guys are getting paid by their respective teams, guys are erring on the side of caution. While O’Brien countered, saying that guys playing in the World Cup go balls to wall- and there are a lot of guys making millions in their respective soccer leagues. And there’s no limitations or anything of the like in that tournament.

Is it just that the World Cup has been going on for years? Is it the fact that soccer has many international leagues that are on par with each other, creating a larger understanding, as opposed to baseball- where MLB is pretty much the gold standard?

I think in order to make the WBC work, the tournament would need to be expanded, and qualifications would have to go on throughout the year or so leading up to the tournament… and I don’t think it’s gonna happen. I really don’t see how it can survive in it’s current form.

by NumberSeven on Mar 16, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with doing it at the end of the season

is that it would have to be after the World Series. Most of the players involved would have been off for over a month and that might be even more dangerous for a pitcher. Also I don’t think that the WBC wants to go head to head with the meat of the NFL season.

Everything looks nicer when you win. The girls are prettier. The cigars taste better. The trees are greener. --Billy Martin

by garp on Mar 16, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Until the WBC > MLB for Americans it’s unlikely that there’ll ever be a “good” time for it.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Mar 18, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The crux of it

Is that we Americans care more about the MLB season and our respective teams than we do the WBC. I think there’s more of a sense of national pride and comraderie for the foreign teams, to show that they can compete and are a force in baseball. While the players on team USA may feel the same way, I don’t think that’s reflected by American fans.

The timing is absolutely lousy. MLB either needs to play a shortened season or run the WBC after the regular season is over in a warm climate. The offseason is for healing. This time of year is Spring Training: getting players stretched out and in shape gradually to prevent injuries. Lengthening the All-Star break will still have the same concerns. The players may be stretched out and in top form—injuries will be less likely—but any injury could be devastating to a MLB team’s play-off bid.

"You know you're having a bad day when the fifth inning rolls around and they drag the warning track." - Mike Flanagan, Baltimore Orioles pitcher, 1992.

by SoxDevil on Mar 18, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are fun moments, sure

But the MLB teams these guys play for have millions of dollars invested in them. Is that a good way to use/jeopardize your investment. If, say, Dustin Pedroia were to miss the season would MLB reimburse the salary the Red Sox would have to pay him? I guess my problem is this was Selig’s idea, and it causes bigger problems for MLB than it does anyone else.

by Ed Valentine on Mar 16, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But the MLB teams these guys play for have millions of dollars invested in them. Is that a good way to use/jeopardize your investment.

But what about the above argument I mentioned?? You don’t hear the soccer clubs all over the world crying foul over their players’ participation in the Wold Cup. And there are a lot of guys making a lot of money… It’s just part of the deal.

by NumberSeven on Mar 16, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soccer is a different game

It is all about country and national pride. And, not coincidentally, no one in America really gives a hoot about that, either. I see why you would compare them, but they aren’t really the same.

by Ed Valentine on Mar 16, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wasn't really my comparison

just one i heard on the broadcast last night that i thought was valid.

i hear what your saying about a soccer being about county and pride- and the fact that a lot of Americans don’t care about that either…

But then it’s not really about the soccer vs. baseball, it’s about Americans not caring about national pride on the sporting front. All the other countries involved in the WBC are behind it, and we all know the World Cup is a HUGE event almost everywhere but here… what is it about the USA that makes us put professional sports on a pedestal? I’m not admonishing, I’m really asking- because I fall victim to that too (although I actually love watching the World Cup).

by NumberSeven on Mar 16, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting question

I don’t know the answer. You are right, though. We rarely get worked about any of this ‘country’ stuff. Maybe in hoops sometimes because we feel we should always win the Olympics. Other than that, I don’t know.

by Ed Valentine on Mar 16, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All I got to say

Pitch count limits happen in Babe Ruth leagues and BS exhibitions. If you need to limit pitchers at this level there is something fundamentally wrong.

by Jeff M on Mar 16, 2009 10:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nonsense

pitchers pitch at a much higher level than they did back in the day. You would have to be a fool to let someone throw full speed in Mid march for 9 innings before arms are stretched out and players are in shape. That is just asking for injury.

by Buzzy on Mar 16, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Just saying that this isn’t really an authentic competition if arbitrary limits are placed upon some of the participants. If these guys aren’t in prime shape and playing at the highest level, what’s the point???

by Jeff M on Mar 16, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

forget the injuries, i just don't even care

of course ballplayers being put into duty for a pro tournament in march rubs one wrong, and the early injuries don’t make me feel good about it either, particularly when i feel like the yanks are probably holding back on info re: marte and cano and crossing fingers, etc. my issue is i just don’t even care. i don’t care if the “dutch” beat the d.r. i don’t care how the usa does. this is not a global sport, not when you have to tap into your grandfather’s heritage to qualify for a given team. i care about opening day. stop pretending.

by Colpo on Mar 16, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i enjoy watching bc

of guys like Cuba’s Aroldis Chapman (about which there’s a good read), a lanky southpaw that throws in the mid 90s (and apparently threw the fastest pitch in Cuban history at 102 MPH).

Japan’s Yu Darvish – son of Iranian and Japanese parents; just 22 and should be better than DiceK in time.

Holland’s high school phenom, 19-year-old Juan Carlos Sulbaran, who K’ed Pudge Rodrigues on 3 pitches and touches 95 mph.

by Travis G on Mar 16, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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