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Relative strength to the Yankees

With pitchers and catchers reporting today, I figured I would take a look at the projected lineups of the teams I think the Yankees will need to battle this year.

I may be a subjective Yankee fan, but I think they have the best team going in.  Although the Red Soxs are close.

Your thoughts?

Projected Lineup (per Rotonews)
Angels Rays Red Soxs Yankees
C Napoli Navarro Varitek Posada
1B Morales Pena Youkilis Teixeira
2B Hendrick Iwamura Pedroia Cano
SS Aybar Bartlett Lowrie Jeter
3B Figgins Longoria Lowell A-Rod
LF Abreu Crawford Bay Swisher
CF Hunter Upton Ellsbury Damon
RF Guerrero Joyce Drew Nady
DH Rivera Burrell Ortiz Matsui
SP Lackey Shield Beckett CC
SP Santana Kazmir Dice K Wang
SP Saunders Garza Lester Burrnett
SP Weaver Sonnanstine Wakefield Pettitte
SP Ortega Price Smoltz/Penny Chamberlin
Position strength relative to Yankees (5 point scale)
C -1 -1 -2
1B -2 -1 -1
2B -1 -2 1
SS -1 -1 -1
3B -2 -1 -1
LF 0 2 1
CF 1 1 1
RF 2 0 1
DH 0 0 1
OFF TOTAL -4 -3 0
SP -1 -1 0
SP 0 1 1
SP -1 -1 0
SP 0 0 0
SP -1 0 -2
SP TOTAL -3 -1 -1
Bullpen -1 -1 0
TOTAL -8 -5 -1

 

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Health, as usual, is key

The Angels really shouldn’t be part of this conversation. They were an aberration last year (pythag record says they should have won about 88 games instead of 100), and they’ve only gotten weaker. They truly have the potential to carry 6 .330 OBP guys in their everyday lineup, which is not a formula for scoring runs. I don’t care if they go first to third more than any team in baseball.

As was the case last year, the 3 of the 4 best teams in baseball will play in the AL East. Truly, I think the Yankees are the only team that can realistically expect improvement over last year’s results. Both the Rays and Red Sox return essentially the same cast of characters (granted, neither team had many glaring weaknesses), and I think both have some cause for concern.

The BoSox have a few concerns. First, who is the real Josh Beckett? In 3 season with the team, he’s posted ERAs of 5.20, 3.30, and 4.00. And, he’s the kind of guy who’s always capable of getting injured and missing long stretches of time. Dice-K is due for a major regression – his low ERA last year was largely due to luck; no pitcher can succeed over the long term when he walks nearly 5 batters per 9 innings. Lester is and should remain a solid pitcher, but at this point Wakefield is little more than a league average innings eater. They should get something out of the Smoltz/Penny combination when they are healthy, but how often will they be healthy? Their lineup projects to be solid if everybody is healthy, but that’s a big “if” with Ortiz, Lowell, and Drew. If a couple of their plays go down for any length of time, they could be forced to put Julio Lugo and Mark Kotsay into the linup, and coupled with Jason Varitek, that’s 3 automatic outs.

The Rays have to worry about their young pitchers slipping. Most, if not all, of them set career highs in innings pitched last year, and regression is not uncommon the year after. Their lineup probably overacheived last year, as Iwamura, Bartlett, Crawford, and Navarro may only project to league average or worse OPS numbers this year. They are a 90 win team, but after the won 97 games last year, there’s really nowhere to go but down.

The Yankees have some lineup issues. For starters, I don’t agree with your assessment of Damon as a CF, and I don’t think the team intends to put him there on a regular basis. That means Melky, Gardner, or somebody else. So potentially, if Posada doesn’t recover from injury and Cano doesn’t bounce back, the team could have some holes in the lineup.

However, I’m very optimistic about the rotation. Very few teams can say that, if injuries stay away, they can realistically hope for 1,000 innings of 4.00 ERA from their starters, but the Yankees are one of them. Coupled with a surprisingly good bullpen, I think the Yankees have to be slight favorites going into 2009.

by 3460kuri on Feb 13, 2009 9:22 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

1000 innings from starters isn't happening.

This just isn’t realistic in this day of specialization, 100 pitch counts, and the 6 inning quality start. When I played, starters were groomed to go 8-9 innings—regardless of pitch count. Nowadays, getting 6 innings from a starter is considered “quality”. I’m not saying I disagree with this new philosophy—especially given the dirth of starting pitching, and the huge investments in starters today.

I think a far more realistic number is probably 850-910.

"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will

by Ronster22 on Feb 13, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree

Last season, Yankee starters were decimated with injuries and threw 898.1 IP. They ranked #12 in the AL in this category.

Seven teams in the AL alone produced at least 950 IP combined from their starters and two teams managed to exceed 1000 IP (Angels and Toronto).

Now this doesn’t mean their primary starting five has to throw 1000 IP (Wang, Sabathia, Burnett, Pettitte, and Joba) because that’s highly unlikely with the injury histories and innings cap. But even good teams often use at least 7-8 starters throughout the course of a season and I don’t think it’s out of the question that the entire bunch could throw 1000 IP combined.

It won’t be an easily attainable goal, but I’ll say this much – the closer this rotation gets to 1000 IP combined – the stronger this team is going to be.

by anaconda on Feb 13, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

poor choice of words on my part

What I was trying to say was the best case scenario was 1,000 innings out of our top 5 with a collective ERA around 4.00. If CC, Wang, AJ, and Andy can each hit 210-215 innings, Joba can fill out the rest.

It is the optimistic outlook, not the realistic outlook. But, how many teams have an optimistic outlook like that?

by 3460kuri on Feb 13, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Then I would agree with Ronster

No way are they going to get 1000 IP from their top five starters. Someone will go down at some point and Joba already has a cap before he throws his first pitch. I think 1000 IP combined is attainable – but we’ll see.

For the record, the average AL team last season produced 949 IP with a 4.50 ERA combined from their starters. Yankee starters combined for 898.1 IP with 4.58 ERA.

by anaconda on Feb 13, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just ran across more DiceK

info, from THT:

Matsuzaka had a very strange year by defense independent numbers. He ended up with 2.90 ERA, which was over one run lower than his FIP. And, according to this measure, he should have given up yet another run based on the quality of contact against him. He looks like he might be in for some serious regression this season.

by Travis G on Feb 13, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

1000 innings?

I’ve said this before – its reasonable to expect 780-820 innings from out top 4 assuming the start 120 games (30 starts each, 7-7.1 innings per start from CC, 6.5-6.6 from AJ and Wang and 6.1-6.3 from Andy). As a group they have never started more than 123 games in one year so 120 is fairly optimistic. The innings pitched per start is in line with their 3-4 year averages.

However, Joba is only good for 130 innings as a starter if they want to have him available for the postseason. Lets assume he does that in 22 starts.

That gives us 930 starts from our 5 main starters – 1000 seems highly unlikely if you are talking about the main 5.

However the remaining 20 starts by Hughes, etc 80 innings only imply 4 innings per start – not unreasonable. IF hughes has a break out year and pitches 20 starts at 6 innings per start, we’d get 1050 innings from our starters. If Mariano pitches his normal 75 innings we’d be at 1125 out of the needed 1450ish. So we’d need 325 from the rest of the bull penn! If that happens they’ll be coasting and complaining about getting rusty inbetween outings…

by TLVP on Feb 13, 2009 10:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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