Pettitte return official
by Ed Valentine on Dec 9, 2009 12:45 PM EST
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From MLB.com.
Andy Pettitte is putting the pinstripes back on for another season.
The 37-year-old left-hander agreed to terms with the Yankees on a one-year contract worth $11.75 million on Wednesday, MLB.com has confirmed.
More good news. A great couple of days for the Yankees.
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That marks another item off the shopping list
now for another pitcher, some bullpen relief, and a DH.
No more shopping!
I think we should stand pat. Let Posada and others fulfill the DH role on their “Day off”. Melky can play left. Let Damon, Matsui, and Molina walk and use the money saved for a top tier pitcher next year…
Another starting pitcher is a must in my mind
The question is on cost vs return.
If you think Hughes and Joba are ready to be 4-5 in a rotation, bring in a reclamation project like Sheets or Harden, knowing you have a solid plan if someone goes down with an injury.
If you think the strongest chance for a repeat and a dynasty is to get the best starters available, you talk to Lackey, and push Joba to the pen.
If you want to strike terror in the league and start talk about 1998, you make a trade for Halladay, even if it costs you Montero or Joba or Phil.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Hmmm
I was thinking Joba or Hughes as a starter and give Gaudin and Aceves a shot. I know it may be risky, but no different than ‘09, which turned out pretty well. I just don’t want to see Joba, Hughes, or Montero get traded away and with the money saved by not signing Damon, Matsui and Molina we would be able to pick up a top tier starter next year via free agency rather than giving up prospects.
yeah i think DH should be used
as a “partial” off-day for position players
Damon as DH
Why not sign Damon as regular DH, with Melky in LF?? On days when we need to get posada, arod, jeter, etc. an off day as DH, move Damon to LF and sit Melky, who could then spell Damon in late innings.
It’s still a possibility of re-signing him as Damon has said he wants to return even with Granderson now on the team. The Yankees will wait it out as Damon’s asking price will continue to decline.
by Scooby Snacks on Dec 9, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
as long as we don't give up montero
I say go for it
I would trade Joba or Hughes and a minor leaguer for Doc. Even though it would cost money too.
We don’t have enough position player prospects for me to be willing to give up as great a bat as Montero promises to be. Even if he can’t stick at C and becomes a Ruben Sierra style RF, he’s worth more on the team than as a chip.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
We really have no idea what kind of a player Montero is gonna be. I think Cervelli is being overlooked and think he’s the heir apparent to Posada. So if the Yanks are hell bent on getting a starter this year, maybe Montero is expendable…
all Cervelli worship aside
there is NO WAY that he is the future catcher. His offense is not good enough. He’s a solid defender, but just not a good enough hitter to be anything more than a backup.
And Montero, in my mind, should be untouchable. He is raking everywhere he goes in the minors. He’s only 20 years old, and he has an opportunity to get into AAA next year. He is the best catching prospect in baseball (although I admit I don’t really know any other catching prospects and thats just Yankee fan bias). You don’t give that up.
Cervelli had 90+ AB’s and hit .298. He struck out just 11 times and his arm/defense is above average, certainly better than Montero’s. He’s only going to get better and the consensus seems to be that Montero is not going to be a catcher long term.
90 AB’s is way too low of a sample size to say anything about him. Over his entire minor league career he’s been a .270 hitter. Against minor league pitchers. Given enough major league at-bats, he probably would hit .230ish.
What?
It IS what it is. How and why would he "probably hit .230ish’? And I suppose you figured Mattingly would only hit 5 or 6 homers a year because that’s what he did in the minors? What a strange statement/evaluation…
90 AB's...
is a little bit more than 20 games total.
Give me a valid reason why I should give a crap about what someone does in 20 games?
It IS what it is…yes.
It IS irrelevant.
Cervelli is a decent backup catcher, probably better than Molina.
He may have upside to better that.
But Cervelli doesn’t hold a candle to Montero’s ball sweat as far as potential goes…catch the drift?
"It ain't over till its over"---
When in doubt...throw it to Steve Smith.
Ignorant
Did you even read to what I was responding? The whole point was that this guy, and apparently you too, seem to have a crystal ball and know what players are going to do in the future. You probably thought Mattingly couldn’t hold a candle to the ball sweat of Steve Balboni. Moron.
Cervelli’s career minor league wOBA is .357, and most of that was done when he was in A ball. Last year between AA and AAA, his wOBA was .284. A guy doesn’t go from being a bad hitter in AA and AAA to being a good hitter in the majors.
Compare that to Montero, who is 3.5 years younger than Cervelli. His career wOBA in the minors is .401. Add that he’s actually performed better when they’ve moved him to higher levels.
your comparing Jeter's rookie year...to Cervelli?
and you call me ignorant?
Jeter was what Montero is now…as in one of the top 5 prospects in ALL OF BASEBALL.
Cervelli is not that. Not even close.
Cervelli, if you actually watched a game, would see that he’s a backup catcher. He has been playing in the minors since he’s 16…yet has shown ZERO power potential.
He is what he is…ignorant.
A backup catcher…and a pretty good one at that.
"It ain't over till its over"---
When in doubt...throw it to Steve Smith.
My whole point
is that a statement was made that Cervelli is probably going to be a .230 hitter. How is anybody to know this? I want that statement substantiated, that’s all. Like I said, do you guys have a crystal ball?
no.
But we know that .298 in 90 games is largely about as irrelevant as it gets.
Yea, he could be a .460 hitter his whole career.
I didn’t say he’s a .230 hitter.
He may be that…but he sure as hell is not gonna be no end all solution at the catcher position.
His defense will be good, but I could care less if he’s a Molina like player at bat.
"It ain't over till its over"---
If there's anything I'm sure of, its the Sun coming up in the morning, and Steve Smith.
+1
with your analysis jscape.
Gotta side with you for this one, given how well he’s hitting the ball at a young age, and how the defense can be slowly integrated. An heir apparent for Posada makes a lot of sense right now, especially since he might not make it as a full-time Catcher the year after. Mauer is nice, but implausible, and expensive.
If the Blue Jays decide that they are going to drop the price to one of Joba/Hughes (especially Joba) and a minor leaguer or two for 1 year of Doc, I’d bite the bullet on that. I think even least enthusiastic of us, (points finger at Bradshaw), will have to give that deal some thought. I know about giving Doc a long-term contract, and it will in all likelihood be a big one, but if he’s human to take 2 sub-market extensions from Toronto, and everything he says about winning is true, one would think he’d be a little more approachable than any of Boras’ mercenaries.
Let’s not kid ourselves, the contract will be long, and will most likely be huge, but at 35, a 4 year deal wouldn’t be excessive, and even if it’s for 20mil, if we can afford it, we should do it.
A rotation of CC/Doc/Burnett/Pettite/Hughes or Joba is borderline ridiculous. Adding that to our line-up with Granderson? Yikes.
Lemme get this right
Ruben Sierra? And this is what we want? I say if he ever becomes anything remotely close to Ruben Sierra and we could trade him knowing that for Halladay i would do that trade right now everyday of the week and twice on Sunday. Maybe it was a bad comparison, but if all they are expecting from this kid is Ruben Sierra type RF skills then please deal him for Halladay and lets go with another chip.
that isn't a good comparison
They’re only saying he could be a ruben sierra in that he could be a very dangerous DH. His talent level is on the level of Miguel Cabrera and Manny Ramirez. He’s not quite a super freak like A-Rod was, but he’s the next thing below that.
I’m saying Sierra is his down side. He could be Piazza or Miguel Cabrera, too.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Not a Cashman fan but ...
he definitely did the right thing with Pettitte. I’m really happy for Andy, the Yankees and Yankee fans. And this is not for sentimental reasons. If Andy’s healthy, he is still a huge workhorse, innings eater and great clutch pitcher. In my opinion, they now have co-#2 starters in Burnett and Pettitte. I think each of them is capable of 13-16 wins next year depending on their health and if a bit of luck is going their way (i.e., the bullpen is doing their job, etc.). All in all -- great news.
I agree
Pettitte is experienced in the post season, is popular with fans, so this one is a no brainer.
I’d like to see the Yankees
1) Get a solid #4 starter (e.g., not Doc), let Hughes/Joba battle for #5, loser goes to BP
2) Sign either Damon or Matsui as DH (not both)
3) get a solid bench player (Hairiston type)
reduced payroll?
I’d love for somebody to explain to me how the Yankees are ‘reducing payroll to $185M’ this year, when my math already has them above that (considering Pettitte was only on the books for $5.5M last year due to a signing bonus and CC was on the books for about $9M less than this year due to a signing bonus). Take the $208M payroll for 2009, subtract out $26M (Damon+Matsui) and $2M for Molina, then add back Pettittes $6M increase (on paper) and CC’s $9M increase (again on paper), plus whatever Granderson ends up costing them, and they’re back close to $200M already. Does anybody honestly believe they’re done spending?
No, they aren't done
But Matsui and Damon are two big contracts off the books right now. Let’s just see how it plays out.
You're also missing:
9 million for Wang/Bruney/Coke
6.5 million for Nady
Andy is basically making what he made last year, just up front.
Granderson only costs them 5.5 this year.
So we turned Wang/Bruney/Coke into that CC raise, and Nady into Granderson. And we STILL have that 26 that came off the books.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 9, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
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thanks for the clarification, but the $208M number I quoted didn’t include Wang or Nady. Bruney and Coke combined are under $2M. I’m getting all of my numbers from espn.com, here:
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never mind – i added up the numbers from the website and they totaled $195M, not $208M, so the 208 must include Nady, Wang, et al.
not sure if this will be legible, but this totals $186.75M already
1. Alex Rodriguez 33,000,000
2. Derek Jeter 21,600,000
3. Mark Teixeira 20,625,000
4. A.J. Burnett 16,500,000
5. CC Sabathia 23,000,000
6. Mariano Rivera 15,000,000
7. Jorge Posada 13,100,000
8 a. Johnny Damon 0
8 b. Hideki Matsui 0
11. Andy Pettitte 11,750,000
10. Robinson Cano 6,000,000
Curtis Granderson 5,500,000
12. Nick Swisher 5,400,000
13. Damaso Marte 3,750,000
14. Jose Molina 2,125,000
15. Jerry Hairston Jr. 2,000,000
16. Eric Hinske 1,500,000
17. Melky Cabrera 1,400,000
18. Brian Bruney 0
19. Joba Chamberlain 432,575
20. Edwar Ramirez 422,450
21. Brett Gardner 414,000
22. Ian Kennedy 0
23. Phil Hughes 407,650
24. David Robertson 406,825
25. Alfredo Aceves 406,750
26. Phil Coke 0
27. Jonathan Albaladejo 403,075
28 a. Francisco Cervelli 400,000
28 b. Mark Melancon 400,000
28 c. Michael Dunn 400,000
28 d. Ramiro Pena 400,000
payroll top heavy
its hard to appreciate how much money a-rod makes until you see it in a list like this.
Overpaid .....
A-Rod, Tex, Burnett and Posada are overpaid. I’m not saying they aren’t valuable to the Yankees -- they are. But -- the 4 of them are really overpaid for what they actually produce. In my opinion, A-Rod should be at about $20M, Tex at $10M, Burnett and Posada around $8M apiece.
Only if you are refering to the market of 10 years ago.
Not if Wolf is worth 10M.
And I don’t see how you can justify Tex being worth half of what A-Rod makes, but care to elaborate on your ideas? I’m sure there must be some reason to believe they are worth that value.
by Vancouverguy on Dec 10, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
Good
Andys back a lot sooner than last year. So we have our three great playoff pitchers from this last year all back. Now we have to see if Joe goes to Joba and Hughes, or signs someone and puts one of Joba/Hughes to the pen. I like the second option better. I think it strengthens the rotation, and the bullpen, more than letting both of them start. I still hope Wang comes back. You can’t give him up. He’s young. He’s homegrown. And he was, as recent as 2008 (only 1 year ago), the ace of the NY Yankees. And now, after a bad, injury plagued season and a half you give him up when you can get him back for a very cheap price? It doesn’t sound smart to me.
For all you Halladay wanters
To get him Jays want so far Montero + Joba OR Hughes + more…yeah i don’t think we’re gonna do that
Im so happy....i hope the offense comes threough for him this year....
He can make a statment this year barring health……
No doubt there will be questions about his age but F it…we the defending world champs and he’s the one that clinches it for us…..
28 anybody?
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by NYYWinsRings27 on Dec 9, 2009 3:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Harden
Several reports saying he’s signing the Rangers. 1 year, $7.5 million with an option for 2011.
by long time listener on Dec 9, 2009 5:41 PM EST reply actions
That’s a lot of money for Rich Harden. He must be thinking he can get a Burnett-esque deal if he has one healthy season.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Sweet!
Glad Andy is back so much sooner than it took last year! Now that we’re (or most of us anyway) done holding our breaths about him, is it ok to begin asking for Lackey to come to New York?
by Gelatin on Dec 9, 2009 6:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That's it! The roster is set! 70-ish days 'til P's & C's report!
If you listened to Cashman’s interview he pretty much said as much. Paraphrasing, he indicated that he can now go the developmental route to fill out the roster unless something comes up that blows him away. Hughes, Joba and Montero will not be traded and although he didn’t come right out and say it, he looked and sounded like Damon & Matsui will not be offered contracts. Again paraphrasing, he said he feels a lot better about it (them & the OF) now (with Granderson) and he doesn’t have to worry as much.
Sounds like that’s it to me.
Also, we all know the payroll threshold of 185 mil. It’s getting close and Cash still has to add at least one, possibly two veteran C’s. You can’t have just Posada with significant experience. Cervelli is a fine backup but if anyone gets hurt they’ll be screwed.
There’s the rule 5 draft tomorrow and there might be a minor trade or two, that doesn’t add much if any payroll, but tha-tha-tha-thats all folks.
Darn! Nothing to talk about until spring.
Happy Holidays!
Best of the best huh!
Whitey Ford (AKA Chairman of the board) H.O.F
Pitched in 11 World series, Record 10 w. 8 L. winning percentage .556
Part of 6 World Series Championship teams.
Andy Pettitte (AKA Not worthy of H.O.F.) – Part of 5 World Series Championships
Pitched in 20 (ALDS, ALCS, NLDS, NLCS), and 8 World series Record 18 W. 9. L
winning percentage .667
Part of 5 World Series Chapionship teams.
I guess his best is just not good enough LMAO!
Sign Damon to start left…. He can DH and switch off with Melky when Posada is starting.
Melky only plays well when he’s endangered of loosing his position…. Make him work for it.
Hughes / Joba work for #5…..
We need a reliable No #4 and were set for the year……………. Not Halladay either. Most likely Lackey.
But we need to drive up the ante on Halladay regardless.
by Gangsta Yanksta on Dec 9, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
You're comparing players from different eras
That doesn’t work.
Whitey played when there were less teams, less games, less baseballs available per game, less equipment, less facilities, less money, less training, more drinking, no HGH, just to name a few. But beyond all that, I saw Whitey pitch a bunch of times and believe you me, Andy aint no Whitey Ford.
Forget stuff on a piece of paper, the definition of a hall of famer is a dominant player at his position in his own era.
Ford was dominant.
Andy is damn good but dominant?
How many Cy Youngs has he won again?
He might get in someday but I doubt it and if he does, it’ll be after many years of voting.
Did mean to comment Tricon
That was weird
Different eras, I agree.
I also watched Whitey pitch for his last 5 years, even got to see him pitch one in person,
He was dominant, even though the Kansas City A’s sucked,
(Back then everyone said the A’s were the Yanks farm team, can you believe that LOL!)
Pitchers were asked to pitch 9 innings every time out if they could. That’s unheard of today.
You are right baseball is not the same; players are bigger and stronger,
And drugs have made a much bigger impact on batters, then pitchers in there performance.
Drugs might help a pitchers physical ability but not his psyche.
Only great pitchers can get knocked around in the early or middle innings and still continue to pitch well in a game.
One of the best I saw was Jim Palmer of the O’s.
Like Whitey and Palmer and many other HOF pitchers
Andy has done that consistently for 15 years now in regular and post season.
That’s why I think he should get in the HOF.
plus...
postseason stats don’t mean a whole lot when judging a player for the hall of fame. Anyone can get hot for a month, real HOF’ers get their team there the whole season, and then carry them through the playoffs.
although,
one must take into account that he gets hot EVERY TIME into the playoffs…. At least give him that much.
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