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New York Yankee notes: Now, about Roy Halladay

So, the big question floating around following the New York Yankees acquisition of Curtis Granderson is what impact that has on trade talks for Toronto ace Roy Halladay.

If you are pro Halladay to the Yankees you have to be excited about the fact that GM Brian Cashman still has Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes as trade chips. If you are anti-Halladay to the Yankees you are praying that Cashman's willingness to deal Austin Jackson doesn't mean he might also part with Jesus Montero.

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Bob Klapisch figures the Granderson deal makes it less likely the Yankees will be able to land Halladay.

One American League source says it's now "unlikely" the Bombers have the prospects to convince the Blue Jays to deal their ace. Having shipped Austin Jackson to the Tigers, the Yankees intend to hang on to Jesus Montero, their up-and-coming catcher. That effectively narrows the field for Halladay to the Red Sox and Angels.

Cashman knows he's taking a risk, giving Boston a free shot at a confirmed Yankee-killer. Theo Epstein is loathe to trade prospects, and has said he wants to hang on to righty Clay Buchholz. But after seeing the Yankees fortify themselves yet again, the Sox GM may have no choice but to pick up the phone and call the Jays.

John Harper of the New York Daily News figures the Granderson deal might force the Boston Red Sox to answer the Yankees by making a big push for Halladay

Early indications Tuesday were that Sox GM Theo Epstein remained reluctant to give up a package of top prospects to the Blue Jays, as well as the $100-plus million it will take to sign Halladay to a contract extension - no matter if Red Sox Nation was screaming for him to return fire on the Yankees.

But that hardly adds up to a no.

"Theo doesn't care what the fans want," was the way one major league executive put it. "He's not going to react just because the Yankees made a deal. But (owner) John Henry might be a different story.

"After everything their organization has done to turn the tables on the Yankees the last several years, (Henry) is very concerned about any perception the Sox have fallen behind them again. And he knows Halladay is the ultimate protection, whether you're talking perception or reality."

Even before the Granderson deal, where Halladay ends up was the most intrguing story of the winter. It still is.

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sigh.....

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

More chatter...

MLBRumorCentral:
Johnny Damon says he still could sign with the Yankees, even after the Granderson deal. http://bit.ly/7y2iHg

Buster Olney: If the Yankees sign Johnny Damon, that will increase the likelihood that they will attempt to trade Nick Swisher. It’s increasingly unlikely that the Yankees are going to re-sign Hideki Matsui, regardless of what happens with Damon.

Why the hell would the Yankees want to trade Nick Swisher?!!

by Scooby Snacks on Dec 9, 2009 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

Olney is praying

that the Yankees don’t re-sign Damon.

Its too strong for his Red Sox to overcome.

In related news…Peter Gammons signed a deal with NESN

He pretty much was a Red Sox beat writer for ESPN, I guess this just made it official.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

NO,

click on the link dumb dumb.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

both, actually.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

C'mon

Dumb dumb? You can do better than that.

by McDaniel on Dec 9, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

of course I could...

I wasn’t trying to…

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

ooooooooo

Your so smart and tough.

by McDaniel on Dec 9, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

he had almost as good a year as Damon.

and unlike Damon, is not playing for a contract..which, by the way…is extrememly reasonable (and a lot less than Damon will get).

…he’s more underrated than over.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

DUDE your shot

In no way did Swisher have a better year than Damon. And I think he may be retarded. It shows when runs on the base paths, and…..
are you related to him?

by McDaniel on Dec 9, 2009 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

They were both pretty equal as far as hitting production. Swisher gets the edge as he can play the field.

by Scooby Snacks on Dec 9, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

OK, yeah

Swish proved that in the playoffs too. He’s over rated. Damon is quicker and smarter as well. And most of Swish’s homeruns were in the first 6 weeks of the year. I think he sucks and that’s it.

by McDaniel on Dec 9, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I guess the same applies to Ryan Howard then.

by Scooby Snacks on Dec 9, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Get a clue...

You know damn well that is not the same.

by McDaniel on Dec 9, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

playoffs....

you go by almost one month of a slump?

damn man…did Swish steal your lunch money or something?

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

One month????

Try 3 months. Also, change your name to…
FreeSwisher.

by McDaniel on Dec 9, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Soo...

When CC and Tex struggled the first 2 months of the season, they sucked also? Think maybe ur being a little harsh on Nicky Swish.

by DarthRichter on Dec 9, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes I am beign a little harsh...

but I am amazed at how some people think he is great. He is average at best.
CC and Tex?
Go ahead and compare them with Swisher.
The difference is that they actually produce and every single team and baseball would want CC and Tex.
Swisher? Not so much.

by McDaniel on Dec 9, 2009 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

No one said he's great...

You’re the only one that did.

What he is, is a very good piece of the team.

His production proves that.

Also, the fact that it was pretty much at his career norms…also proves that he’s not overrated.

You’re a little too thickheaded on your assessment…and others assessment of Swisher.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

So Swish didn't

Produce? 28 homers and 80 RBI’s out of the bottom of the lineup isn’t bad. I’m not saying Swish is great but he brings a solid bat, and is a great teammate, I don’t get the hate.

by DarthRichter on Dec 9, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

The FK?

the hell are you trying to do here?

Look man…I know its really..really tough to realize that your wrong…but you are.

And I don’t have to worry about “free swisher”.

I can;t believe your so think headed to call this guy overrated.

Your gonna hate Granderson too I guess…..

Real shame.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Granderson vs Swisher?

Easy call- Granderson.

So I am wrong how again?
So Swisher was an all star? Did you watch this season at all. How many blunders did he do on the base paths, along with his stellar post season performance on top of that huge batting average.
I will rephrase this— Swisher is over-rated according to your (FreeBradshaw-now recently converted FreeSwisher) view of him and how you think he is great.

by McDaniel on Dec 9, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

obviously trying to provoke here...

so I’ll leave it at this.

You have not a clue on Swisher, or what I’m saying about Swisher.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

last year's stats

Nick Swisher: 3.5 WAR, paid him 5M

Johnny Damon: 3 WAR, paid him 13M

who had the better year, hmm? And who is the more overrated player, hmm?

by Wraithpk on Dec 9, 2009 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

ooo.....

APPLES!!!!!

How do you like your apples? In a pie? Raw?

Raw deal son.

HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES!

"It ain't over till its over"---

When in doubt...throw it to Steve Smith.

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Why you ask?

They would trade Swisher, who is very over rated, to get Halladay. That’s why.
You trade Swisher, Hughes, and Cabrera or Gardner and you get Halladay,
oh yeah, and another World Series Championship.

by McDaniel on Dec 9, 2009 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

who plays RF?

Gardner?

Swisher may come back to earth this year…but that’s just cuz he was very good last year.

I’m not getting into this foolishness again either. Swish is NOT overrated.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

LOL-maybe not

But I wouldn’t think twice to trade him if it meant to get Doc Halladay. NO?

by McDaniel on Dec 9, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

agree.

If Toronto wants Swish in that deal…no problem.

It does significantly, and unnecessarily weaken the OF tho.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

IF

Toronto wants him in that deal….

which makes no sense.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Where's Nady?

Maybe you guys have the inside scoop, you seem to know everything. Do the Yankees have plans for Nady? Is he still on the roster?

by david d on Dec 9, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope

He’s a Scott Boras free agent.

by Scooby Snacks on Dec 9, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I doubt the Jays want Swisher as they’re in rebuild mode. He doesn’t fit nor make sense as they just had given Alexis Rios away for free to the White Sox.

by Scooby Snacks on Dec 9, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

that was because Rios had a pretty big contract and wasn’t turning into what they thought he would be

by Wraithpk on Dec 9, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Andy just got signed

now that andy is going to get 12mil a year and we got granderson. Anyone concerned about halladay?

We shouldnt be

Halladay will be a yankee, but we will have to give up montero and hughes or joba.

Just get it done

I know he will, in cash we trust

by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 9, 2009 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

we trust in Cash....

with Pettite, to not go out of his way and get Halladay.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

also we def should

Trade swisher and pitching whatever blue jays want just not too much young talent. If we could keep montero and sub in there swish man that would be great.

by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 9, 2009 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

They don’t want Nick Swisher so it will top prospects if the Yankees still want Halladay.

by Scooby Snacks on Dec 9, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

jeez....

Swisher in there for Montero?

For real?

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I meant in the trade too.....

you honestly think Swisher is the same sort of piece that Montero is?

And someone says I’m overrating Swisher?

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

No i think montero is far better

I just was dreaming i know it wont happen, but you never know with cash he does some miracles every once in a while.

PS i think your right on swisher, cash will keep all he has and try to make a deal without him and others.

Wishful thinking on a wednesday.

by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 9, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Espn Is saying

The Yanks think they can get a deal done for Halliday with Jesus as the centerpiece, hope this isn’t true, I really do

by DarthRichter on Dec 9, 2009 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

They can

Because Montero sucks in the field. And they have nowhere to put him if he cant catch, except DH which is out of the question. Plus Mauer is a FA next year and the Yanks are thought to be interested. Maybe you deal Jesus, Joba and Dunn to get Halladay, might not be as bad as everyone thinks, esp if Montero can’t catch which is the consensus as of late.

by jsballer3314 on Dec 9, 2009 11:01 AM EST reply actions  

So did Posada...

and he still can’t catch all that great.

Didn’t hurt him from being the Yankees catcher the past decade+ did it?

If Montero was truly that bad at catcher, he’d be moved already.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Make the trade. Halladay is proven. All prospects are not.

by McDaniel on Dec 9, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I can agree to a point

But Hallday has a lot of miles on that arm as is getting up there in age, so is it really worth those porspects who may come back to play the Yanks A LOT? Who knows

by DarthRichter on Dec 9, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Boom.

"It ain't over till its over"---

When in doubt...throw it to Steve Smith.

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

He's 20....

I mean he can get better at defense, at least to a level where it’s not costing games, he may never be a pudge, but if he can call a good game to go along with his bat, too much potential.

by DarthRichter on Dec 9, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Pitching and Defense wins games.

Go for pitching, get Halladay and have the rest of baseball hate us that much more.

by McDaniel on Dec 9, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

Theres other

Pitching out there, soooo many other guys to get that will just cost money not prospects, Halladay would be great but we have an ace.

by DarthRichter on Dec 9, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree

Giving up so much to get an aging pitcher, ace that he may be, just sets us back all the more.

We already lost one of our top prospect yesterday, granted for graderson who as we’ve discussed and read multiple times is considered to be about what Ajax will likely turn into. but the hitting of Jesus every day and combo of Hughes / Joba is just too much to lose for an aging pitcher. I want Halladay as much as the next team, but only if the price is right. and right now its wrong

by GriffMan on Dec 9, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Aging?

He is 32. He went 17-10 on the blue jays along with 9 complete games and 4 shut outs. The whole Yankee staff had 1! He hasn’t pitched less than 220 innings the last four years and last year’s ERA was 2.79! He would be our number one pitcher on the Yankees.

He would bring us 2-4 more championships!!!!! (hopefully)

by McDaniel on Dec 9, 2009 11:35 AM EST reply actions  

32 on a guy that religiously throws over 200 innings

Is iffy, his arm has a lot of innings and pitches, so maybe nit the first few years fo the deal but definately at 35 or 36 he mays start having problems…A 20 year old stud catcher, and 2 under 25 pitchers who may bare minimum are going to be dynamite in the bullpen, I think it’s too much.

by DarthRichter on Dec 9, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

thats where we differ

McDaniel. I have no doubt Halladay could be our #1 / #2 guy and def would help bring more championships, but its just the price that kills me. Im the type of fan who loves the new talent, the prospects. The package just hurts our farm system too much.

I mean the guy is a workhorse, hes got the innings, knowledge, experience, and grit that any team would want. Im just wondering about his past 2 years vs. his careers numbers, almost everything has been better than his career averages, i feel like he is due for a slight regression.

by GriffMan on Dec 9, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, he’s at the age where pitchers start to decline.

by Wraithpk on Dec 9, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Halladay

Leave the team as it is. Let Damon and Matsui and Molina walk and use the money saved for next year’s free agent pool. Cliff Lee? Melky in left, Posada and others fulfill the DH role on their “rest” days. THAT IS ALL.

by david d on Dec 9, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

OK

I see your point, but it would be nuts if we had this rotation:

Doc
CC
AJ
Pettite
Hughes

by McDaniel on Dec 9, 2009 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

i agree with you there

i think we would lock up the AL East by June with that rotation

by GriffMan on Dec 9, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

It would be nuts, but I’m not gunna give up a guy that has the potential to win MVP awards with his bat who also plays catcher.

by Wraithpk on Dec 9, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

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