New York Yankee notes: Now, about Roy Halladay
So, the big question floating around following the New York Yankees acquisition of Curtis Granderson is what impact that has on trade talks for Toronto ace Roy Halladay.
If you are pro Halladay to the Yankees you have to be excited about the fact that GM Brian Cashman still has Joba Chamberlain or Phil Hughes as trade chips. If you are anti-Halladay to the Yankees you are praying that Cashman's willingness to deal Austin Jackson doesn't mean he might also part with Jesus Montero.
Bob Klapisch figures the Granderson deal makes it less likely the Yankees will be able to land Halladay.
One American League source says it's now "unlikely" the Bombers have the prospects to convince the Blue Jays to deal their ace. Having shipped Austin Jackson to the Tigers, the Yankees intend to hang on to Jesus Montero, their up-and-coming catcher. That effectively narrows the field for Halladay to the Red Sox and Angels.
Cashman knows he's taking a risk, giving Boston a free shot at a confirmed Yankee-killer. Theo Epstein is loathe to trade prospects, and has said he wants to hang on to righty Clay Buchholz. But after seeing the Yankees fortify themselves yet again, the Sox GM may have no choice but to pick up the phone and call the Jays.
John Harper of the New York Daily News figures the Granderson deal might force the Boston Red Sox to answer the Yankees by making a big push for Halladay
Early indications Tuesday were that Sox GM Theo Epstein remained reluctant to give up a package of top prospects to the Blue Jays, as well as the $100-plus million it will take to sign Halladay to a contract extension - no matter if Red Sox Nation was screaming for him to return fire on the Yankees.
But that hardly adds up to a no.
"Theo doesn't care what the fans want," was the way one major league executive put it. "He's not going to react just because the Yankees made a deal. But (owner) John Henry might be a different story.
"After everything their organization has done to turn the tables on the Yankees the last several years, (Henry) is very concerned about any perception the Sox have fallen behind them again. And he knows Halladay is the ultimate protection, whether you're talking perception or reality."
Even before the Granderson deal, where Halladay ends up was the most intrguing story of the winter. It still is.
Other notes
- In case you missed it, the Brian Bruney trade landed the Yankees the first pick in Thursday's Rule 5 Draft.
- Could Hideki Matsui end up in Oakland?
- Yanks might watch Aroldis Chapman work out.
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MLBRumorCentral:
Johnny Damon says he still could sign with the Yankees, even after the Granderson deal. http://bit.ly/7y2iHg
Buster Olney: If the Yankees sign Johnny Damon, that will increase the likelihood that they will attempt to trade Nick Swisher. It’s increasingly unlikely that the Yankees are going to re-sign Hideki Matsui, regardless of what happens with Damon.
Why the hell would the Yankees want to trade Nick Swisher?!!
Olney is praying
that the Yankees don’t re-sign Damon.
Its too strong for his Red Sox to overcome.
In related news…Peter Gammons signed a deal with NESN
He pretty much was a Red Sox beat writer for ESPN, I guess this just made it official.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
NO,
click on the link dumb dumb.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
both, actually.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
of course I could...
I wasn’t trying to…
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
don't get your tits in a knot....
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
he had almost as good a year as Damon.
and unlike Damon, is not playing for a contract..which, by the way…is extrememly reasonable (and a lot less than Damon will get).
…he’s more underrated than over.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
DUDE your shot
In no way did Swisher have a better year than Damon. And I think he may be retarded. It shows when runs on the base paths, and…..
are you related to him?
They were both pretty equal as far as hitting production. Swisher gets the edge as he can play the field.
by Scooby Snacks on Dec 9, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
OK, yeah
Swish proved that in the playoffs too. He’s over rated. Damon is quicker and smarter as well. And most of Swish’s homeruns were in the first 6 weeks of the year. I think he sucks and that’s it.
I guess the same applies to Ryan Howard then.
by Scooby Snacks on Dec 9, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
playoffs....
you go by almost one month of a slump?
damn man…did Swish steal your lunch money or something?
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Soo...
When CC and Tex struggled the first 2 months of the season, they sucked also? Think maybe ur being a little harsh on Nicky Swish.
by DarthRichter on Dec 9, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Yes I am beign a little harsh...
but I am amazed at how some people think he is great. He is average at best.
CC and Tex?
Go ahead and compare them with Swisher.
The difference is that they actually produce and every single team and baseball would want CC and Tex.
Swisher? Not so much.
No one said he's great...
You’re the only one that did.
What he is, is a very good piece of the team.
His production proves that.
Also, the fact that it was pretty much at his career norms…also proves that he’s not overrated.
You’re a little too thickheaded on your assessment…and others assessment of Swisher.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
So Swish didn't
Produce? 28 homers and 80 RBI’s out of the bottom of the lineup isn’t bad. I’m not saying Swish is great but he brings a solid bat, and is a great teammate, I don’t get the hate.
by DarthRichter on Dec 9, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
The FK?
the hell are you trying to do here?
Look man…I know its really..really tough to realize that your wrong…but you are.
And I don’t have to worry about “free swisher”.
I can;t believe your so think headed to call this guy overrated.
Your gonna hate Granderson too I guess…..
Real shame.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
Granderson vs Swisher?
Easy call- Granderson.
So I am wrong how again?
So Swisher was an all star? Did you watch this season at all. How many blunders did he do on the base paths, along with his stellar post season performance on top of that huge batting average.
I will rephrase this— Swisher is over-rated according to your (FreeBradshaw-now recently converted FreeSwisher) view of him and how you think he is great.
obviously trying to provoke here...
so I’ll leave it at this.
You have not a clue on Swisher, or what I’m saying about Swisher.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
last year's stats
Nick Swisher: 3.5 WAR, paid him 5M
Johnny Damon: 3 WAR, paid him 13M
who had the better year, hmm? And who is the more overrated player, hmm?
ooo.....
APPLES!!!!!
How do you like your apples? In a pie? Raw?
Raw deal son.
HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM APPLES!
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When in doubt...throw it to Steve Smith.
Why you ask?
They would trade Swisher, who is very over rated, to get Halladay. That’s why.
You trade Swisher, Hughes, and Cabrera or Gardner and you get Halladay,
oh yeah, and another World Series Championship.
who plays RF?
Gardner?
Swisher may come back to earth this year…but that’s just cuz he was very good last year.
I’m not getting into this foolishness again either. Swish is NOT overrated.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions
agree.
If Toronto wants Swish in that deal…no problem.
It does significantly, and unnecessarily weaken the OF tho.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
IF
Toronto wants him in that deal….
which makes no sense.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Where's Nady?
Maybe you guys have the inside scoop, you seem to know everything. Do the Yankees have plans for Nady? Is he still on the roster?
I doubt the Jays want Swisher as they’re in rebuild mode. He doesn’t fit nor make sense as they just had given Alexis Rios away for free to the White Sox.
by Scooby Snacks on Dec 9, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
Andy just got signed
now that andy is going to get 12mil a year and we got granderson. Anyone concerned about halladay?
We shouldnt be
Halladay will be a yankee, but we will have to give up montero and hughes or joba.
Just get it done
I know he will, in cash we trust
by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 9, 2009 10:28 AM EST reply actions
we trust in Cash....
with Pettite, to not go out of his way and get Halladay.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
also we def should
Trade swisher and pitching whatever blue jays want just not too much young talent. If we could keep montero and sub in there swish man that would be great.
by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 9, 2009 10:30 AM EST reply actions
They don’t want Nick Swisher so it will top prospects if the Yankees still want Halladay.
by Scooby Snacks on Dec 9, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
jeez....
Swisher in there for Montero?
For real?
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
i meant in the trade for halladay i know montero catches freebradshaw
by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 9, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I meant in the trade too.....
you honestly think Swisher is the same sort of piece that Montero is?
And someone says I’m overrating Swisher?
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions
No i think montero is far better
I just was dreaming i know it wont happen, but you never know with cash he does some miracles every once in a while.
PS i think your right on swisher, cash will keep all he has and try to make a deal without him and others.
Wishful thinking on a wednesday.
by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 9, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Espn Is saying
The Yanks think they can get a deal done for Halliday with Jesus as the centerpiece, hope this isn’t true, I really do
They can
Because Montero sucks in the field. And they have nowhere to put him if he cant catch, except DH which is out of the question. Plus Mauer is a FA next year and the Yanks are thought to be interested. Maybe you deal Jesus, Joba and Dunn to get Halladay, might not be as bad as everyone thinks, esp if Montero can’t catch which is the consensus as of late.
So did Posada...
and he still can’t catch all that great.
Didn’t hurt him from being the Yankees catcher the past decade+ did it?
If Montero was truly that bad at catcher, he’d be moved already.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
I can agree to a point
But Hallday has a lot of miles on that arm as is getting up there in age, so is it really worth those porspects who may come back to play the Yanks A LOT? Who knows
by DarthRichter on Dec 9, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
He's 20....
I mean he can get better at defense, at least to a level where it’s not costing games, he may never be a pudge, but if he can call a good game to go along with his bat, too much potential.
by DarthRichter on Dec 9, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
Pitching and Defense wins games.
Go for pitching, get Halladay and have the rest of baseball hate us that much more.
Theres other
Pitching out there, soooo many other guys to get that will just cost money not prospects, Halladay would be great but we have an ace.
by DarthRichter on Dec 9, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
i agree
Giving up so much to get an aging pitcher, ace that he may be, just sets us back all the more.
We already lost one of our top prospect yesterday, granted for graderson who as we’ve discussed and read multiple times is considered to be about what Ajax will likely turn into. but the hitting of Jesus every day and combo of Hughes / Joba is just too much to lose for an aging pitcher. I want Halladay as much as the next team, but only if the price is right. and right now its wrong
Aging?
He is 32. He went 17-10 on the blue jays along with 9 complete games and 4 shut outs. The whole Yankee staff had 1! He hasn’t pitched less than 220 innings the last four years and last year’s ERA was 2.79! He would be our number one pitcher on the Yankees.
He would bring us 2-4 more championships!!!!! (hopefully)
32 on a guy that religiously throws over 200 innings
Is iffy, his arm has a lot of innings and pitches, so maybe nit the first few years fo the deal but definately at 35 or 36 he mays start having problems…A 20 year old stud catcher, and 2 under 25 pitchers who may bare minimum are going to be dynamite in the bullpen, I think it’s too much.
by DarthRichter on Dec 9, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
thats where we differ
McDaniel. I have no doubt Halladay could be our #1 / #2 guy and def would help bring more championships, but its just the price that kills me. Im the type of fan who loves the new talent, the prospects. The package just hurts our farm system too much.
I mean the guy is a workhorse, hes got the innings, knowledge, experience, and grit that any team would want. Im just wondering about his past 2 years vs. his careers numbers, almost everything has been better than his career averages, i feel like he is due for a slight regression.

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