Rethinking Curtis Granderson
by 3460kuri on Dec 8, 2009 2:03 PM EST
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Update by jscape: Looks like it's happening. I don't like it from the look of things, but I'm reserving judgment until I see all the names and dollars involved.
As I'm sure you've heard, the Yankees discussed a 3-team deal with the Tigers and Diamondbacks that would have sent Curtis Granderson to the Yankees, Austin Jackson to the Tigers, and Ian Kennedy to the D-Backs (plus others). The discussions had gotten to the point where the teams began naming the prospects and secondary players who were to be included, but it now appears that the deal, at least as it was proposed yesterday, is on hold.
My initial reaction was the Yankees shouldn't trade Ian Kennedy and Austin Jackson. But the more I think about it, I'm not so sure.
I've always liked Ian Kennedy, and always hoped that he'd find success in the majors. But the Yankees have other young, major-league ready starting pitchers, and Kennedy's coming off of two consecutive lost seasons - one to injury, one to poor performance - so I'm not sure that anybody would rank him much higher than seventh or eight on their rotational depth chart right now. Cashman shouldn't be looking to give him away, but I wouldn't be heartbroken to see him included in a trade that brings back a useful player. My feelings for Phil Coke are similar. He's a useful lefty reliever who's competent enough against opposite-handed hitters, but he's also a flyball pitcher who gave up a home run every six innings last year. The re-emerge of Damaso Marte made him expendable, although he was unlikely to ever see many high-leverage innings anyway.
Austin Jackson is obviously the key to this trade. As a 22-year old in AAA last year, he hit .300/.354/.405 . Scouts are mixed on how he projects as a major league player - he strikes out a lot (22% of plate apperances last year) for somebody who doesn't really hit for power or get on-base at an exceptional rate. Jackson could certainly develop into a useful major league player, but I'm not sure how high his ceiling really is.
And so the problem, depending on your point of view, is that Jackson plays the same position as Curtis Granderson. We can talk about how Ajax might project in 2010 or 2011 after some more seasoning in the minors, but Granderson has already established himself as an above-average major league centerfielder. He hits for power (.212 career Isolated Slugging), walks often enough (unintentional BBs in 9% of career plate apperances) and is good defensively (32 FRAA and 21.2 UZR for his career). Granderson is coming off of a season in which is BABIP was 46 points lower than his career average, and while he's never hit lefties well, his 2009 performance against them (.484 OPS) was aberrently low relative to his career .614 OPS versus southpaws, and possibly affected by the BABIP issues.
Granderson's true value is probably somewhere between his 2009 performance (2.7 WARP) and his career year in 2007 (7.0 WARP). Assuming he reverts to his career numbers on BABIP and against lefties, we're looking at a 4 win player who's under 30 and signed to a favorable contract ($36.8 million for 2010-2013, including the team option) in terms of dollars and length, a player with a track record that Austin Jackson will be hard-pressed to match and unlikely to ever exceed.
Somebody said no to this trade, but I doubt it was Brian Cashman.
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Still...
614 OPS career against LHP sucks. Jackson might not hit for power but he has the potential to be an every day player. I like his splits:
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=457706
The only other intangible thing is his clubhouse presence and mental makeup. Don’t get me wrong, I like Granderson, he’s got good character but the fact that he would need to be platooned is a little scary.
I don’t think the Yankees were that serious, after all Cashman said his first priority was “pitching pitching pitching” and then left field…
Heard a rumor
that the tigers could throw in Jackson, now it might be worth it
Jackson for Scherzer… I like THAT … plus, I must re-iterate I don’t trust Jackson in the AL to have another year like his first half season last year.
A-Jax, IPK and Phil Coke seems like a pretty fair trade for Granderson. I mean, if everyone is having to consider so deeply about it, then, it must be pretty even? I agree with kuri though, this really does come down to whether you prefer to have a known quantity or potential. I wouldn’t be terribly upset with having Granderson in my outfield.
Lately the news is that this offer has changed into..
“3-way talk with granderson to yanks, e. jackson to dbacks, young guys to tigers “progressing,’’ sources say. definitely a shot.” I’m guessing the player young is referring to chris young from dbacks. But what do the yankees give? I don’t know.
by NYYEastcosterNJD on Dec 8, 2009 1:21 PM EST reply actions
Looks like the deals getting done
Let’s hope we get Arizona’s “Joba equivalent” if they even have one
terrible
terrible move. i can’t believe they’re thinking about sending away their best outfield prospect for a guy who hits .249. Yeah, he hits a lot of home runs, and Yankee stadium is a left-handed hitter’s ballpark, but .249? This is another swisher waiting to happen. I’d rather let AJax develop, and stick with a .270 Melky Cabrera, and occasional Brett Gardner for this season. Worked well this past season, didn’t it?
I trust Cash
Granderson is a good player, He need to work on his hitting against lefties, but if he can get that average back up to the 280-300 range, I think it’s a solid deal.
It's a done deal, medical soon to be passed
yanks to get granderson, e. jackson,.
i. kennedy to dbacks,
scherzer, schlereth, a. jax, coke to tigers.
by NYYEastcosterNJD on Dec 8, 2009 2:13 PM EST reply actions
So...
We gave up ian for chris. I don’t know what to think, lol.
by NYYEastcosterNJD on Dec 8, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions
My mistake
We get granderson only, Dbacks gets E. Jackson and Ian Kennedy, and Detroit gets Max Scherzer, Austin Jackson, Daniel Schlereth, and Phil Coke
by NYYEastcosterNJD on Dec 8, 2009 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
Another Thing
What does this mean for Melky? Does he go to left and Johnny gets DH time if they resign him? There seems to be a log jam in the outfield now.
It means Johnny isn't coming back.
by New York Sports Jerk on Dec 8, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
AJax
I don’t like giving him up here. Maybe the Yankees really don’t think he can be an impact guy at the big-league level.
We basically turned an unknown ceiling into a known ceiling under our control til 2013 for cheap.
It makes a lot of sense from that perspective. Granderson is probably a lock for 20-20 for the next four years. We don’t know where A-Jax is going to go.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 8, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
Interesting
Right now, I’m not sure how to feel about the trade. At first thought, I wasn’t happy about it. I seem to be warming up to it a little more now though.
all i know is
We just got a huge trade for a younger guy with alot of talent we are going to have the most intense lineup in all of baseball.
Granderson
Jeter
A-rod
Tex
Jorge
Damon
Cano
swish
cabrera
what about bay or m holliday? WHat happens if we acquire those guys. It could be another big year holy crap. this is BIG BIG BIG
by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 8, 2009 2:27 PM EST reply actions
Switch Jeter & Granderson
Jeter was moved to 1st to cut down on the GIDP.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 8, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
damon stays at 2nd
he’s a better overall hitter than ganderson cuz of his ability to hit lefites too. Ganderson will be the much needed protection for A-rod since Matsui is most likely gone
from the looks of it
we’re more likely to sign damon over matsui
not after this trade
This trade screams that Damon just wanted too much, or they didn’t think he would resign. Mark my words if either comes back it will be Matsui.
Goodbye, Johnny Damon
Granderson is the new LF and #2 in that lineup, and he’s getting Damon’s money.
Also…this means there’s no way we get Halladay without giving up Hughes or Chamberlin, and maybe Montero.
Depends on the UZR
I would rather see Gardner and Melky Platoon, with Gardner in CF when he plays.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 8, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
there's no way
Melky or Gardner are starting over Granderson in CF.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Besides the "prestige" factor (a star not wanting to change positions)
do you have statistical evidence to tell you that Granderson is better than Gardner in CF?
by PortlandYankee on Dec 8, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions
1st off..
I’ve seen Gardner misplay entirely too many balls. He’s not that good out there. His little ‘spectacular plays’ are made by Granderson too…probably more routinely.
2- Gardner has a Damon arm.
3- UZR had him elite in 2006, 2007, atrocious in 2008 and 1.6 in 2009.
There is no concrete statistical evidence for an OF…..
He was an everyday CF in Comerica for 4 years. I’ve seen him have a few Matt Holliday games out there…but he’s one of the better defensive CF in the game.
Much better than a 4th OF/Pinch runner.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Oh crap
Theres a big problem with going after Doc or others now. The money for granderson will put pressure on us to obtain him
by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 8, 2009 2:30 PM EST reply actions
Actually
Godzilla is gone and damon stays as DH from now on. Now theres a thought
by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 8, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Yes we do, sort of.
We need pitching…
CC looks rock solid.
AJ is generally good but inconsistent.
Andy is getting older, risk of injury or tired arm late in the season
Then what?
Joba mediocre to shaky as a starter
Hughes mediocre to shaky as a starter
Gaudin looked decent! I liked him as a #5 or even #4 starter.
Sorry, but this doesn’t give me warm, fuzzy feelings. We’re fortunate we could pitch our guys on short rest this postseason and not have it blow up. Will that be the case again in 2010? IMHO it’s foolish to keep going to that well unnecessarily.
So we really ought to get another postseason-worthy starter. Not a reclamation project, or a regular season mediocre guy, but rather someone we can honestly see leaning on in the postseason, when we have to win his game. Halladay fits the bill so yes, we do need him! But there are others. Lackey, for example. Who else? There are at least a couple other guys that could work?
The good part is we can use the acceptability of multiple guys to our benefit in negotiating. Halladay price too steep? Go with Lackey. Lackey’s contract too long? Work the trade for Halladay… etc.
Anyway, that’s my two cents.
I’ll agree about needing pitching, but do we really need another ace? I mean there are some suitable options for 4 and 5 starters, to go along with Gaudin, Joba, and Hughes…All we need is money, for a backend starter, it beats giving up more prospects.
no.
we don’t need an ace.
We could use pitching, but its just hilarious to me that it always means “Halladay” as soon as we discuss pitching.
Why do we need to go that route?
When you need pitching, right away trying to get an ace is stupid.
"It ain't over till its over"---
More like 30-20, but I like where your head's at.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 8, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
I could see the 40HR in Yankee stadium.
the 40SB he probably could have, if he ever decides to improve his walk rate.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Cards Fan Here
Have you looked at Granderson splits? He has an OPS over 1.000 in NY the last couple years.
So now the Yankees can really focus on pitching
- - Pettitte
- - A high reward/high risk pitcher
- - DH/Outfield
- - sort out bullpen
then possibly some star like Halladay, Lackey, or Holliday/Bay
I think Holliday’s day was just ruined, as the Yankees don’t need him as badly now
Agreed
We have a YOUNG outfield now, no need for either big contract.
Your right, pitching
not bay or holiday.
-Pettite
-One more reliver
-an ok fourth starter
in order of least to most like to leave: Melky, Gardner, Damon, Matsui
Melky’s right-handed bat keeps him in the mix, unless they get another righty for the mix (or keep Nady as a cheaper option?). Gardner looks somewhat more expendable, since they have another lefty for the LF/CF rotation.
I’ve seen in a few places that Granderson doesn’t necessarily mean that Damon won’t be back, but I don’t see how they can have both. I’m also assuming that Matsui is done as a Yankee.
by long time listener on Dec 8, 2009 2:53 PM EST reply actions
I don't know
Why people are saying Matsui is done, right now the Yanks need a DH, not another outfielder so, His inability to play outfield doesn’t come into question I think. He’s the best hitter out of the group, he will more than likely ask for less than Damon, I’m not seeing the problem, maybe I’m biased.
Exactly, as long as Matsui is comfortable with $5 milliion and 100-120 games at DH
…he’ll come back. If he wants to be an everyday DH or (shudder) an everyday outfielder, there’s no fit there.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 8, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
My assumption is that the Yankees are going to want a righty to balance things out. I suppose they could stay with the Gardner/Cabrera platoon in CF, put Granderson in left, and keep Matsui as the main DH. They could do that and still go after a right-handed bat, especially a utility guy (Hairston or Derosa?).
by long time listener on Dec 8, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
to be honest i wouldn;t be surprised
if Yankess resign damon for left (or even but highly unlikely holliday… then damon goes to dh)
Melky is traded for some prospects and sumthing and gardner stays as the bench guy
The outfield could be either Damon, ganderson,swisher
Melky,Ganderson,Swisher (Damon Dh/ split duty)
of the dream idea but un likely Holliday, ganderson swisher (Damon Dh and melky gets traded with a prospect for Doc)
I like your last idea
but doesn’t sound like a great way to lower payroll (especially with both Holliday and Halladay
by Monotonousblob on Dec 8, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions
If Damon comes back, he's a full time DH
and there are plenty of full time DH’s on the market
This is a brilliant move by Cashman as Damon cannot demand as much if they know he will just be a DH.
Yankee’s can also have Melky or Gardner in a trade for Halladay
by Monotonousblob on Dec 8, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
You gotta trust the guys up top.
Throughout the last season, all of us, myself included, lamented some of the moves made by the front office.
Personnally, I’ve got a problem with giving up Coke and Jackson, not to mention IPK, for Granderson. Granderson’s good, but can’t hit lefties.
On the other hand, he’ll be a lot cheaper than Matsui and Damon combined, and with Matsui supposedly in the crosshairs of the Angels, keeping Damon at left and Granderson at CF, we’ll pick up some additional OF talent.
I was impressed with Coke’s performance, particularly in the post season.
Jackson is a great future talent, and would have liked to see how he would have played out in the long run.
But, Cash isn’t stupid. The only apparent loser in the deal is Arizona. They got taken in their own deal.
In Cash We Trust
But oh oh, he’s stretching me today.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Coke's 2 HR's in Game 5 impressed you?
He was a lefty specialist who couldn’t get lefties out. Plus, the re-emergance of Marte made him expendable.
*Postseason
He really didn’t require much effort in the situations he was called for during the postseason. That WS appearance was the only blemish on his 1st postseason . I’d say he was pretty good.
Yankees all day.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby
"If you're not doing it right, you're doing it wrong. And there's no in between." ~Mark "Lunch" McKenzie
Not just the Postseason
I never really considered him a “Lefty Specialist,” Postseason or not. Marte was lights out, which made Coke expendable.
by Larry Soprano on Dec 8, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
No, he wasn't.
He gave up 10 HRs in 60 innings. Getting something in return for him is a bonus.
by New York Sports Jerk on Dec 8, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
While a Yankee, I move that Granderson should only be reffered to by his true name
Dave Chappelle
This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.
I guess that's what Dave was doing when he went to Africa....
learning how to play baseball.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Yeah
I couldn’t find a picture of them in a similar pose, but every time i see Granderson I think it’s Dave.
This sticker is dangerous and inconvenient, but I do love Fig Newtons.
Decent trade, but would have liked to keep Coke
Granderson can be a big impact player. Hopefully he rebounds from bad defensive/batting average year. Cashman is definitely using this to get Damon back at his price. I won’t miss Kennedy, he really never showed enough at the big league level. I wish they didn’t have to give up Coke, you can’t have enough lefty relief. Also, better to give up AJax than Montero.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Dec 8, 2009 3:17 PM EST reply actions
More upside for Damon to DH
Than Matsui. Damon can play OF in a pinch, can steal bases and hits as many HR’s as Matsui because of Yankee stadium..
Bring Back Mats now.
He may be able to teach Granderson a thing or 2 on how to hit LH pitchers from the left side (shoudn’t be underrated here…)
"It ain't over till its over"---
That could work.
Maybe Giradi can help him not to become lazy in the last month of the season too…..
Yankees all day.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby
"If you're not doing it right, you're doing it wrong. And there's no in between." ~Mark "Lunch" McKenzie
+1
Was about to post about Matsui being a VERY good hitter of LH pitching, but you beat me to it! IMHO that’s why I’d bring back Matsui. Great clutch hitter and great hitter of LH pitching. Also gets it done with a well-placed single or double! Not just a home run threat. All around a very professional guy, an asset to the team. DH suits him and I have no problem giving him a day off once in a while to shift Posada to DH, to give HIM a half-day off on occasion. Works for me.
I like Damon, too, but having trouble seeing where he would fit now that Granderson will be here. (sigh.)
NO!!!!!!
Please, Cashman, do NOT trade away any of your top prospects for anything less than Roy Halladay (and even for him I wouldn’t do it, although if they had to do it, it had better be for him). Why would the Yankees want Granderson on their team? He strikes out a TON, he hits for a low average with a low OBP, and he can’t hit lefties to save his life. I think it’s too much to give up. The Yankees already lost one bullpen arm this offseason. Now you’re sending another bullpen arm over, plus the possible future center fielder. The Yankees are seriously going to give up Jackson for this? Without even giving him a chance in the majors. I wouldn’t do it. Melky/Gardner did a fine job platooning last year. Just leave it like that, and then when AJAX is ready, then give him a chance. This isn’t a trade I would do.
I dunno man...
the more I look at it…AJAX is probably just a cool name, that’s all.
I think his upside was Granderson.
Why not go for the real thing, and you know its the real thing?
Plus, it got Coke out of the bullpen so now Girardi can’t use him.
"It ain't over till its over"---
you may be right
AJAX may just be a cool name. But he also may be a star. And I think that the Yankees should give him that chance. Granderson is a good player, but he’s not needed on the Yankees, and frankly, I don’t like him that much. His stats against lefties bothers me the most. Could you see in a late situation, in a big spot? They bring in a lefty to face Granderson and all of a sudden, end of inning. Thtas what bugs me about him the most.
Who knows? Maybe I’m overhyping about AJAX. Or maybe I don’t think enough of Granderson. I wish someone could teach him to hit lefties. We’ll just see what happens. If he becomes a Yankee, then I’ll support him and hope that he turns out to be a good fit.
yes.
all who didn’t want to trade AJAX here are overhyping him.
The only reason I didn’t want this trade was cuz Hughes was rumored in it. They I’d be getting my pitch fork out.
You realize the guy had 30HR last year right?
Did AJAX do that? Will he ever be capable of doing that?
We’re getting a guy capable of 30/30/30/30 types seasons.
"It ain't over till its over"---
who knows about AJAX?
he hit practically no homers last year, but then they say he has power, and that he hasn’t learned how to pick pitches to drive well yet. I thought it was possible that power would develop with time. And I’ve seen him play personally, during a game where he had 3 hits with a homer, so that may be another reason I like him so much.
Agreed
Granderson is a known commodity. There’s no guarantee Jackson becomes as good as Granderson.
A 4 WAR player for a back of the rotation starter, a situational LHP and a CF who hasn’t hit for power or gotten on base much is a win for the Yankees.
by Yankees82 on Dec 8, 2009 3:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
our top three needs are pitching, pitching and pitching
i’m beginning to like the granderson deal. but does it seem odd to anyone else that cash is on the verge of trading away bruney, coke and IPK while getting no pitching in return?
I think
Bruney, Coke, and IPK are expendable. With Robertson coming on like he did this year he will be relied on more this year, as well as Marte, I think throw in a couple fillers from AAA and that’ll help.
Yup.
we’re getting someone.
Just not by trade probably.
Don’t go get your nuts in a bunch thinking of Halladay either. Let him rot in Toronto for another year.
"It ain't over till its over"---
If this deal gets done
the Yankees will have lost two relievers out of their bullpen. What are they going to do w/ the pen, especially if Hughes goes into the rotation?
Mo
Robertson
Aceves
Marte
Those are the locks next year in my mind. What about the other three bullpen spots? Are they looking to sign a big reliever? Are they going to give Edwar Ramirez another shot (I think he deserves one)? I wonder what they’re going to do with the pen next year.
Sign Andy and another starter, and put Joba or Hughes in the 'pen
let them compete for the #5 slot.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 8, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
Pretty sure one of them ends up in the pen at some point during the season
And remember: EVERYBODY has a bad bullpen
Those 4 guys + Joba or Hughes would be fantastic. We just dumped two relievers we have no interest in.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 8, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions
Melancon will get another shot. Romulo Sanchez will be in the mix. Gaudin and Mitre will be around.
Someone else will emerge. That’s been the plan the last few years and I think it’s a good one.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
Or the guy from the Rule 5 draft pick for Bruney.
by Scooby Snacks on Dec 8, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions
Good point, forgot him. Whomever he will be.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
We get first pick in the Rule 5
Thanks to Bruney.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 8, 2009 3:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'd hardly call
losint Bruney and Coke…as 2 lost relievers.
I think I can deal with them not here anymore.
"It ain't over till its over"---
me too
but someone will have to replace them and I’d rather them be someone who is better than Bruney and Coke.
It's Great
To have so many young promising arms? Isn’t it?
I think it's a great deal.
We trade an unknown quantity and IPK for a top-50 position player, a top of the order bat with power, speed and defense that costs us nothing and is under our control for FOUR SEASONS.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 8, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
Hellz yea.
Where you think he’ll hit?
What if we re-sign Damon.
Does that mean Granderson bats 9th?
This guy, batting ninth?
I could hang laundry on my optimism right now.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Where will Granderson hit?
I would personally put him behind A-Rod. He has pop, and would be a good option to protect Alex. I don’t want him leading off. His OBP is so bad. And if Damon comes back he’ll hit either first or second (Jeter/Damon or Damon/Jeter. Doesn’t matter to me, although they’ll probably use the one they used in 2009), which means Granderson will move to 5th or lower. I’d bat him right behind A-Rod. I think thats a good fit.
2nd
I don’t think Johnny is coming back now, and they’ll resign Matsui to protect A-Rod…I also think with Tex behind Granderson, he’s gonna get some pitches to hit, if he can be a little more patient
9th.
re-sign Damon.
Damon in LF/DH. Melky for LF/Bench, Gardner for gatorade duty.
Granderson bats 9th and hits 30 HR
Ballsacks.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Crapping my pants
At the idea of a 9 hitter hitting 30 dingers a year.
Granderson bats 9th?
I don’t think it’s smart to put a player of that kind of power and talent batting 9th. You’d want to get him more ABs, and he’d be more effective at protecting A-Rod then any other player in that lineup. Maybe they could adjust the lineup based on whether a lefty or righty is pitching (since Granderson can’t hit lefties). Posada hits 5th when a lefty is pitching, and Granderson hits fifth when a righty? I don’t know. But I have a hard time believing that Girardi is going to let an All-Star like Granderson bat 9th.
I’ll have a post on optimism for you tomorrow.
For now this is a post one selling low on Jackson and IPK.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
The way I see it now,
Ok, Kennedy is gone, Coke too, I don’t think we can afford to let anymore young arms go……
Anybody in the mood for a repeat?
Coke and Kennedy weren't all that promising right about now....
Kennedy maybe…but Coke’s only promise was a 8th inning HR.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Nope
Don’t like Curtis’ OBP second.
Jeter-Swisher-Tex-Arod-Posada-Cano-right handed DH-Granderson-Melky
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
I still think Damon comes back
so I would think it would be this:
Jeter- SS
Damon- LF
Tex- 1B
A-Rod- 3B
Granderson (I really think he could be an effective #5 hitter)- CF
Posada- C
Cano- 2B
Whoever DHs
Swisher (high OBP, and could get on base for the lead off guys. He would be a good #9 hitter)
easy now....
put Granderson a weee bit lower.
Jeter
Damon-DH
Tex
A-Rod
Posada
Cano
Swisher
Granderson
Melky
Maybe switch Granderson and Melky.
*erect.
"It ain't over till its over"---
I could see that
Melky playing the field and Damon/Swisher DHing? I could see that happening. But I wouldn’t bat Curtis that low.
I would
you gotta realize the lineup he’s in now.
5th or 6th is too high, especially if he’s gonna K with A-Rod and Tex on base.
I like him as far away from Cano as possible, he seems like a Cano with more power, but a lot less contact.
"It ain't over till its over"---
well
can Granderson hit w/RISP?
You may have a point about him King in big spots w/Tex and A-Rod on base. He’s sort of like Swisher w/speed (an no OBP). He has pop, but he also strikes out a lot (which is just like Swisher).
not bad.
.263 with RISP, in the .800’s with OPS too, no matter where and when a runner is on.
His low RBI total are due to where he batted too.
Him batting lower in the Yanks order, he’ll get more chances.
"It ain't over till its over"---
ok, now we need t give Granderson a nickname.......anyone got one?
I got CGrand? idk
Anybody in the mood for a repeat?
Fun Fact:
Granderson’s next home run will be his 300th.
His first milestone as a Yankee will come pretty soon, I can assure you of that. w00t
Yankees all day.
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whoops, omg
-1
Yankees all day.
"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." ~Rogers Hornsby
"If you're not doing it right, you're doing it wrong. And there's no in between." ~Mark "Lunch" McKenzie
OK in Cash we trust!
I think Granderson will have a better year with the Yanks. So, goodbye Damon and your shitty dino-arm! I hate Damon’s arm!
NO WAY
NO BLEEP WAY THIS DEAL GOES DOWN I HOPE BAD DEAL FOR YANKS ,WAY TOO MUCH
BIG YANKEE FAN,FROM MASS. HAVE TO PUT UP WIYH ALL THESE HOLE SOX FANS
put a sock in it Jeets.
Our current CF blow knuckle-children.
Granderson is an all-star
Got ourselves a steal.
"It ain't over till its over"---
In other news....
This will be the 2nd straight offseason Edwin Jackson was traded.
lol
Yankees all day.
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Ironically Granderson wears #........drumroll.............28.
A sign?
Anybody in the mood for a repeat?
hmmm...
so maybe Girardi saying he’d wait on switching to #28 was just foreshadowing to Granderson? And of course……
"It ain't over till its over"---
Will probably cost Granderson $100K+ to buy out Melky for the number.
by Scooby Snacks on Dec 8, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
YANKS
DONE DEAL, GONE AJAX,COKE ,KENNENDAY,ON BOARD CURTIS GRANDERSON
BIG YANKEE FAN,FROM MASS. HAVE TO PUT UP WIYH ALL THESE HOLE SOX FANS
I have to wonder
whats John Sterlings call for Granderson? Sterlings got to be excited! He’s got another big player to have a HR call for.
Well, it's official now
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/sports/baseball/09yankees.html
Bye AJAX. I’’ll miss you.
Won’t miss you Coke. You’re last performance as a Yankee was disgraceful.
I like this move....I like the addition of speed and unexpected power...not a shabby CF either.
Dare I say since Bernie left, this is the best we’ve got out there?
Anybody in the mood for a repeat?
wow
not sure what to make of this trade. i dont like giving up on Ajax and Kennedy, but Granderson will automatically become our best CFer since Bernie.
we’ve now lost two relievers and probably a third (IPK was gonna be in the pen mix next year). how will they fill those roles? Melancon? Romulo? Nova?
i want Hughes and Joba to remain in the rotation if at all possible.
FYI, CG’s AAV is $9.2 mil for the remainder of his 4 years (assuming the Yanks exercise his 2013 option). if he’s worth 4 WAR/year, then he’s worth it. what scares me is his relatively low OBP.
OBP
because he was a TIGER, now hes a YANKEE then will increase no worries
by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 8, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
His BABIP was a lowly .275 last season. If Kevin Long can work with him to hit lefties a little better, a OBP of .350+ is not out of the question.
by Scooby Snacks on Dec 8, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
what you wanna bet the tigers
came to cash and asked please please please oh big one send the dbacks something to get this done haha i can see cash saying oh ok i guess i take your best player you have to give. This is such a huge side note deal for us.
We are in the pitching market.
To make this deal shows we got alot planned for Pitching at the meetings this year.
I love this approach cover up the doc pursuit and get a good player in the process.
LOVE IT…………….
In cash we trust
by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 8, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions
What I like about this
is that it pretty much guarantees that Montero is going to STAY a Yankee, because the Yankees aren’t trading for Halladay without Austin Jackson. He was supposed to be a key part of that trade. Now it’s not happening.
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i think we are more in the hunt now with doc. The jays need pitching they didn’t want jackson
by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 8, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Again
With Doc, Yankees don’t need him!!!
just a thought...
Bradshaw, how tired are you of kindly reminding us Doc isn’t the be-all-end-all of pitching solutions? haha..
Especially after this trade, I am feeling there’s no way we are going to trade for Doc now. (And provided he’s traded out of the AL east, that’s completely fine with me. I don’t want to be seeing him that often.)
Unless Toronto is willing to take one of Hughes/Joba as a centerpiece, with a few prospects. Would you agree to that or would the long contract still put you off? I certainly can understand the merits of keeping our pitchers too, but I certainly wonder if Hughes or Joba + prospects will get it done for Doc…..
very tired...
I just don’t understand..why whenever “pitcher to the Yankees” comes up, aside from re-sign Pettite, the first thing is trade the farm for Halladay.
SOOO many other options out there.
"It ain't over till its over"---
i agree
but not for the same reason. the Yanks could still get Halladay w/o Ajax (pretty easily actually), but the reason they almost certainly won’t is that they don’t want to give up their top TWO prospects in the same off-season.
I guess
I always thought that AJAX was going to be a big part of that deal though. It was going to be Hughes/Joba, Montero, and AJAX, and a few lesser guys for Halladay? Thats what we always heard, and AJAX is a big part of that.
regardless of the reason, this lessens the chance that the Yankees get Halladay, because, like you said, Cashman would be insane to give up both Montero AND Jackson, and there’s not way he’s getting Halladay now without giving up Montero.
WHY?
3-4 years of DOC or 6-7 years of montero. You cant be serious you would take your chances there
by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 8, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
6-7 years of Montero?
We’re the Yankees, if he;‘s any good he’ll be here for 15-17.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Why just 6-7 years?
Look at Jeter, Mo, Posada, Pettitte. If he’s what people think he’s going to be, he’s a Yankee his whole career. Count on it.
but think of the difference in money too
Jesus: a few years at league min, then a few arb. years – probably $20 mil at most for 6 years.
Halladay will average $20 mil/year for the next 6.
uh oh angels interested in Godzilla
anyone smell a john lackey in pinstripes????
oh this is getting good
by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 8, 2009 4:24 PM EST reply actions
This is getting good
finally, things are happening in the offseason! It’s been MUCH to slow for me. I hope Matsui comes back! It would hurt to see him in another uniform.
but for lackey with this trade we just got, puhlease
by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 8, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions
Lackey
Is gonna cost too much I think, I think they’re better suited grabbing 1 perhaps 2 high risk high reward guys like Duscher, or Sheets.
nevertheless
Lets be honest. Cash just broke it wide open with this deal. It now going to be fun to watch cash work as he builds the next dynasty in New York.
Lackey, doc, sheets, harden, i dont care but we need some more pitching then omg wow we are going to be unbelieveable for the next 10 years.
Its good to be a yankee
by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 8, 2009 4:33 PM EST reply actions
I want mastui......
Sign mastui back…let damon go and and if anything we can get somebody to pick uo the outfield barring injury….
Wasn’t expecting this move but looking at the numbers guess it makes sense….other then his average last year….
No more letting go of arms!
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by NYYWinsRings27 on Dec 8, 2009 4:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Soooo
everybody ready for more complaints, more ignorant complaints, about how the Yankees buy players? Simply because it’s the Yankees, people are going to flip over this. I’m gonna love it. It’s hilarious to hear those complainers.
by nyyrocks29 on Dec 8, 2009 4:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
but how can they say that
we only gave curtis a raise in pay of a few million from 3.5 to average of 7.57mil i dont understand that comment people say at all. And what we gave away geez i hate people without a brain who talk about money and baseball.
by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 8, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
critics
will talk about the ‘Yankee hype machine’ stealing another good player.
funny, i dont remember hearing about a Red Sox or Mets hype machine when they traded nothing for Schilling and Santana.
Well
Damon just lost any leverage he might have in his deal. He needs to accept whatever the Yankees offer now. If not, well then, he’s gone. Yankees are in control of his deal now, because they aren’t desperate for an outfielder anymore.
he will want more which will give the yanks a reason deal him. He is in trouble now
by 4thabronxbombers on Dec 8, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
I have a feeling Damon will drag on like Abreu did
because nobody is going to pay Johnny what he wants. If Damon truly wants to stay with the Yankees, then I’m confident they’ll work something out as long as he’s reasonable.
Which is exactly the reason why i say get rid of damon all together...
We have speed….If we keep matsui we can dh him and on his days off we can dh arod…
Not like he doesn’t need rest he’s gonna be 35 himself…
I’d rather see the angels with damon then matsui….
But that’s just me
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by NYYWinsRings27 on Dec 8, 2009 4:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd personally rather have Damon
he is capable of playing the field and won’t completely take away the flexibility of DH the way Matsui would. I’d like for them to work out a way to bring both back, but now, especially with the acquisition of Granderson, thats unrealistic.
We have 27 rings to bask in...
Let em talk….while we win…..
I can’t wait to had a 28 behing this name…..
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by NYYWinsRings27 on Dec 8, 2009 4:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
4 plus win player folks!
CF’s that give your team 4-6 wins a year over replacement players don’t grow on trees!
Joe Mauer’s a free agent next year right? I really wish we could trade for Josh Johnson but it doesn’t look like the Marlins are letting him go anymore, I’d rather have Johnson over Halladay.
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by NYYWinsRings27 on Dec 8, 2009 4:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I’d say it’s actually highly likely, he would have to take a home town discount of like 75 cents on the dollar for the twins to afford him realistically…when has a player ever did that?
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Coke is a head case and IPK...
have never become what I thought they would be. You have to give up something to get a Granderson. We are all high on Jackson, but Granderson is a proven. power hitting center fielder who can run and bat behind Jeter today. And his contract isn’t bad either.
if you ever saw an interview with Coke, you know he doesn’t have the mental toughness to be counted on in a big situation.
I thought Austin would be part of a Halliday deal, but I still like this deal.
Henrik i do agree with you
I just don’t think The organization is stupid enough to let the home town boy go….
Nyyrocks your right…there not to far away from a contender…all in the owners hands….
But if they do let him go……wow…..
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by NYYWinsRings27 on Dec 8, 2009 5:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I really am not 100% about this
love Granderson, but giving up Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy, and Phil Coke? All of which could be promising.
I dunno, if Granderson plays amazing we’ll all forget but I dunno…
"We're only going to score 17 points?"
For me
the only one I will miss is AJAX. Good riddance to Coke, and I don’t think Ian Kennedy is every going to be more than a #3 starter, and thats if he’s lucky.
Coke had his share of bad moments
But with Hughes and Joba in the rotation. That bullpen could get weaker.
"We're only going to score 17 points?"
The Yanks have great depth in the outfield now
Melky and Gardner have very good value…They’ll need another lefty in the bullpen and getting rid of Bruney, another head case is fine with me…
Okay, if the Yankees are giving up Coke
then they need to pick up a #3 or #4 starter, because now I really don’t want Hughes or Joba out of the bullpen.
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 8, 2009 5:27 PM EST reply actions
Coke has nothing to do with the bullpen depth.
He was a reason why they needed bullpen depth, cuz he was largely a piece of crap.
Marte could do what Coke did.
Boom, ‘replaced’ Coke.
…..who the hell in their right mind, in September and October, would be worried at how we were gonna replace Brian Bruney and Phil Coke.
Did I miss something? Is realty just settling in now that they really are off the team? Cuz I remember most all wanted them gone in the first place….
"It ain't over till its over"---
Coke was off and on
but towards the end he held it together decently enough, because he wasn’t being used so much like he was in the beginning. Believe me, I’m not saying Coke is irreplaceable at all, cause as you said Marte came back and did well.
But I really don’t want Hughes out of the bullpen. I’m also not that big of a fan of Joba being a starter either.
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 8, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions
yes AJAX
sad, but true. I’m not sure I agree with it, but I’m gonna have to live with it. Austin Jackson is gone.
Lets hope this deal works out better than the last time the Yankees traded w/the Tigers. It’d be hard to be worse. I can’t see Granderson only getting 1 rbi a month.
Did we really need Granderson?
Sure he is an upgrade over Melky/Gardner but that combo heloped take us to a title. I wouldnt be so sad about losing Austin Jackson though. How many minor leaguers have the Yankees traded over the years really turned in to big time players? Sure there is a Mike Lowell or a Jay Buhner that turns into a nice player, but thats about it. They hoped Jackson would turn into a Granderson like player, i guess they didnt want to hope anymore. I wanted Halladay and now without Jackson to include in the trade, I dont think it will happen anymore.
Anyone else hear?
That Granderson isn’t too crazy about coming to NY?
I wouldn't think he'd be.
He grew up in the Michigan area.
Jeets will help him along tho.
Winning will too.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Remember in 2001?
where everyone thought that Mike Mussina wouldn’t adjust to NY because he wasn’t that kind of guy? He ended up doing great here.
On the other hand, Randy Johnson wasn’t really a NY guy either, and he sucked.
We’ll see how Granderson adjusts and how he likes it. You really don’t know about playing until NY until you do it. Granderson may like it.
What do Johnson And Mussina have in common
Neither led us to a title, I hope Granderson doesnt join this list. I wasnt a big fan of Randy Johnson in pinstripes, but 17 wins in both of Yankee Years cant really be contstrued as sucking. Was he dissapointing? Yes. Did he suck? No. That would be Kevin Brown and Jaret Wright.
Austin Jackson's upside
is roughly Curtis Granderson.
Given that upside is not particularly likely to be reached. (a lot less likely than Granderson bouncing back) . I’d do this trade.
If anything, the Yankee portion of this trade is the least questionable.
Careful
Sterling might make that his HomeRun Title!
by I'mGivingYouARaise on Dec 8, 2009 11:43 PM EST up reply actions
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