Johnny Damon is another Yankees priority and they are expected to offer about $20 million over two years to keep him. Yankees' backup plans ... are Mike Cameron, Jermaine Dye, Curtis Granderson and possibly Byrd.
Heyman at SI
I like it.
Cameron more than the other. Granderson the least because the others could play OF or DH.
about 2 years ago
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Certainly not Cameron
The Yankees don’t need to throw double-digit millions at a soon to be 37 year old outfielder whose last three seasons (.242/.328 160ks, .243/.331 142ks, .250/.342 156ks). Too many strikeouts, too low of an OBP, and too much age on the wheels.
Cameron’s high strikeout totals added to our lineup would be a big detriment.
"Baseball is the background music of my life." -George Will
I’m not saying I’d offer Cameron the Damon deal, just that he’d be my choice to add to the team (if he’d come on a one year deal, I might like him more than Damon).
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
You realize that last year's .342 obp is better than we got from
Melky and .003 below Gardner (who only played 1/3 of a season) right? The 24 home runs are also more than we got from Melky and Gardner. His UZR in CF is also much better than Melky’s.
Cammy was a 4.3 WAR player last year Gardner was 2.1 and Melky was 1.6. On a one year deal Cameron, even at age 37, is a flat out better option for CF than either Melky Cabrera or Brett Gardner.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
I like the offer.
Leave it at that.
Wouldn’t mind Cameron as a fall back, if that’s all that’s there (only one year for him, of course).
Granderson stay away, please.
Dye I’d be OK with, Swisher in LF wouldn’t be horrendous (Damon got away with it).
Marlon Byrd? Maybe over Cameron…but Byrd better only want one year.
"It ain't over till its over"---
why so on board for Cameron...
but such a drastic no to Granderson? They’re capabilities are about even in the OF and at the plate at this point, and Granderson’s what- 8 years younger?? I’m not saying I want either- I’m just saying, if your willing to go for Cameron- then why not Granderson?
As far as Damon goes- I’m down with the offer, but not sure it will fly. Is that a real number or just some apporximation based on the innuendo the Yanks were going to base their offer off of Abreu’s deal in Anaheim?
#1) biggest gigantic 1600lb Gorrila in the room answer....
We don’t have to trade anyone but $$$ for Cameron, while Granderson would cost some prospects.
Granderson’s lefty splits are atrocious too, tho his stats off righties are excellent (doesn’t help us against that Lester guy tho).
"It ain't over till its over"---
i hear you...
…but with Detroit seemingly in salary dump mode, Grandy won’t cost too much in prospects. Again, I’m not saying I want him… and I agree, Cameron would only cost money… I guess I don’t want either of them, really.
how about spend the money on pitching?
and keep our outfield the way it is with strong defense in all 3 positions? Melky, Gardner, and Swisher would make an above average outfield defense, but then again Gardner is not a very good hitter so I think Cameron would be a solid choice
spend the cash on Pettite and a reclamation project (Sheets)
also, this allows us to bring back Matsui to DH for one year and saves us the dough for a bigger free agent market next year (seriously, take a look at some of the players that could hit free agency)
idk, these are just thoughts, if you disagree please say so respectfully
Worst hitting OF in baseball
People need to stop suggesting that both Melky and Gardner should play every day. It’s a ludicrous idea.
by New York Sports Jerk on Dec 7, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions
they might make up for it in defense
if not then i like the idea of Cameron
Cabrera-Gardner-Swisher have an average OPS+ of 107.
Comparable or worse:
Arizona (97), San Diego (85), San Fran (86), Pittsburg (97), Houston (110), Cincy (82), the Cubs (108), Washington (107), Atlanta (86), Florida (107), Oakland (109), Seattle (99), Texas (108), Kansas City (88), the White Sox (90), Minnesota (93), Toronto (94) and Tampa (90).
The Melky-GGBG-Swish outfield is far from my ideal, because a cheap upgrade shouldn’t be hard to come by in this weak market with too many DH/LF. But we’d be far from the worst in baseball.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
And how many of those teams made the playoffs??
One. The answer is one. The Twins, by winning the worst division in baseball. And by the way, I know you used Carlos Gomez as the third Twins OFer, but you should have used Denard Span with Cuddyer and Young.
Their average OPS+ is 110, with only young below 100.
With Melky/Gardner/Swisher, you have two below-average hitters in your OF, with Swisher’s 129 skewing the average.
by New York Sports Jerk on Dec 8, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Cameron is a joke
I’ve never liked him. He can play defense and hit HR. He can’t do ANYTHING else. He doesn’t have all that much speed anymore. He has an awful OBP. He strikes out WAY too much. And he’s going to be 38 years old. Do NOT sign Cameron.
And by the way, that OF is the worst hitting OF in baseball. I do not want that, do you? I mean, Tex and A-Rod can’t carry the team on their own. They need someone who can hit out there. Damon was the Yankees best offensive outfielder this season. Don’t give that up without even taking a chance.
we still have one of the best leadoff hitters
and best 3-4 combo in the majors
add three quality hitters to the mix with Cano, Posada, and the resigned Matsui then we still have a dangerous lineup
having Melky in LF would save a ton of runs due to his much better defense
im not saying this si what will happen (it probably won’t) but it honestly wouldn’t be the end of the world, especially if the money would be invested in some pitching
I'm good with that offer
leave it at that. Don’t let Boras negotiate the Yankees higher. There are other options in case Damon rejects. Thats a more than fair offer. Take it or leave it Johnny.
IDK
I don’t know about this. Personally I would like to see any deal for Damon front loaded. 2 years $18 million with $13 million paid out in the first year would be ideal. That way it could be easier to trade Damon if they felt the need to.
Deals like that don’t happen. Then there is Scott Boras. There’s no market for a highly-paid 36 or 37 yr. old outfielder who can’t hit and field (presumably the reason for wanting to trade him). See Gary Matthews Jr.
by Scooby Snacks on Dec 7, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions
Arod’s deal is structured that way. Boras is his agent.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
ARod being the rare exception and potential to receive $6M homerun milestones bonuses. I suppose Boras can work one out for Damon and him attaining a certain number of outfield assists.
by Scooby Snacks on Dec 7, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
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