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Who is really to blame in the Damon saga?

 You can hate Scott Boras, and I do. His stunt with announcing the Alex Rodriguez opt-out during the world series was a joke. And the impending holdout that almost happened with the Washington Nationals and their first-overall pick Stephen Strasburg--whom Boras thought was worth upwards of 20 million a year without throwing a pitch--was also ridiculous.

And while we as fans have learned to hate him, is it really his fault? Yes, he is a cut-throat agent who will literally do anything (and I mean anything) to get more money in his clients pocket. He doesn't care what it costs (emotionally obviously not financially) and in the end it almost seems like he doesn’t care what his client wants.

Reports are now surfacing that Johnny Damon wanted to be a Yankee so bad that he went back on his 13 million a year or don’t talk to me threat, to say that he would accept a 2 year 20 million dollar contract. About an hour too late.

And while some of you might be mad at Brian Cashman (again, I don’t understand how you can) and while some of you still may not have recovered from the Hideki Matsui incident; whose fault is it really? Damon knew what he was getting himself into when he took on Boras as an agent. He knew Boras was money-first, and he knew that Boras would employ some erm, unorthodox methods.

Let’s also not forget that Damon easily could have told Boras "I want to be a Yankee, but I want 13 million dollars more, so do whatever it takes." If Damon really started to sweat it out, if the rumors of the Yankees replacing him really made him that nervous then he should have picked up the phone, called Boras and said "I want to be a Yankee, make this happen!" But Damon didn’t, or at least he didn’t until it was too late. And now we blame the agent who—quite frankly—was simply doing his job.

I love Johnny Damon, and I truly hope that somehow he remains in pinstripes, but if he doesn’t the fault lies with him not with Boras.

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Blame is to go around I think

Boras for making the outrageous offer when he perfectly knows that the team his client wants to be with wasn’t going to give him that money. Damon is to blame for not stepping up and doing, as you said, calling Boras and saying “I want to be a Yankee, make this happen”.

But I also think that Cashman is to blame, perhaps more than Damon/Boras. We heard reports that the Yankees were giving Damon 2 weeks to make a decision, right? Cashman did not give Damon his two weeks. He instead went right to Nick Johnson. I think Cashman lost patience a little too quickly. Does anyone honestly believe that if Cash waited a couple weeks longer, that Nick Johnson would be signed somewhere else? I don’t. He still would have been available as a backup plan, and Damon’s price may have decreased.

Cashman, I think, is the main reason that Matsui is gone and Damon looks like he’s following him. Cashman signs Nick Johnson for the same contract that Matsui got (which makes no sense at all), and then he also signs Nick Johnson right at the time that Johnny Damon was becoming reasonable.

He’s made some good moves, but there was definitely a way that Matsui and Damon could have returned. And I think that Cashman screwed up with them, and now they are both gone.

by nyyrocks29 on Dec 19, 2009 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

I think that the Yankees as a whole

didn’t want Matsui back. Like I said before 6.5 million dollars is coach change, they didn’t want him.

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by Joe Fortunato on Dec 19, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree with you

Cash broke faith a bit. There’s leverage and then there’s just saying screw you.

I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque

by LateInningRelief on Dec 19, 2009 2:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Excuse me...

…Damon’s agent set his initial request at an absurd level. Why the hell should Cashman even consider dealing in good faith when Boras was being ridiculous?

Cashman did what he should, and now Boras looks like an idiot. I can’t believe how many people are blinded by their love for Matsui and Damon and can’t see that the Yankees are a younger, more flexible team with a lineup every bit as deep as it was a year ago.

http://newyorksportsjerk.blogspot.com/

by New York Sports Jerk on Dec 19, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Not blinded

You don’t punish the player for an a-hole agent, especially when he meets your price. If he does agree to your terms within a reasonable time frame, you accept. Not doing so is bad faith.

I think Cash has played this Off Season well, but he got this one wrong. Matsui had to go. Damon should have been given a chance to come down to earth.

I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque

by LateInningRelief on Dec 19, 2009 3:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

How would Cashman have known Boras would meet his price?

It’s not his job to work on Scott Boras time. Boras realized too late that the Yankees weren’t desperate to keep his client and suddenly changed his demands.

And Damon deserves his share of blame too. He could have told Boras that he wanted to stay with the Yankees and to find a way to work it out. Instead, Boras came out there with an initial demand of 3 years/39 million, which is off-the-charts insanity.

So again, how was Cashman supposed to know Boras would drop his demands? How long should he have waited? So long that perhaps Johnson would have signed somewhere else, thus giving Boras/Damon the upper hand?

http://newyorksportsjerk.blogspot.com/

by New York Sports Jerk on Dec 19, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Not so long

we heard reports that the Yankees were giving Damon 2 weeks. They barely gave him one before turning his back on him. Do you think that Nick Johnson would have been signed within one more week? I don’t. And then they could have wound up with Damon back, rather than this clown who will be on the DL by the end of April (I suppose I have to root for him now, but I always hated Nick Johnson)

by nyyrocks29 on Dec 19, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you even understand?

If they sit around and wait for Damon, they are allowing him and Boras to control the negotiations. They didn’t “turn their backs” on Damon any more than he turned his back on them.

Maybe they should have just given him whatever he wanted.

And I have no idea what Nick Johnson could have done to make you hate him, but clearly you’re not being objective about the whole thing.

http://newyorksportsjerk.blogspot.com/

by New York Sports Jerk on Dec 20, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions  

They didn't need to let Boras take control of the negotiations

if the Yankees had given Johnny the two weeks he was supposed to be given, and he hadn’t budged, then I would be perfectly fine with letting him go and going for someone else. However, that isn’t what happened. They gave Johnny a few days, and then they just went right to negotiating with someone else, and signing someone else. Don’t you think it’s breaking faith a little bit? Damon needed time to think. And if he expected two weeks, and didn’t get it (which is what happened), then that isn’t fair to him. Giving Johnny the full two week deadline that the Yankees themselves had set isn’t letting Boras take control of the negotiations. It’s giving their player a limited amount of time to make a decision about what he wanted to do. They didn’t give him the time he was supposed to have, and just signed someone else, eliminating Damon’s best option.

As far as Nick Johnson, he’s just one of those guys I feel is overrated, and I never have liked him. He has little power. He hits for a low average. Jose Molina could probably outrun him. And he’s about as injury prone a player as you can get.

by nyyrocks29 on Dec 20, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Supposed to be given?

According to whom? The Yankees were under no obligation to give Damon 2 hours, let alone 2 weeks.

The whole “deadline” thing was Cashman’s way of saying the Yankees weren’t going to wait around forever. I think you’re taking it far too literally. Damon didn’t “need time to think” he needed to tell his agent that asking for $39 million is absurd and everybody with a brain knew it. Boras wanted them to be desperate to sign him so he could get as much money as possible out of them. How do you know what kind of conversation they had with Boras before they signed Johnson? Maybe Boras held firm with his initial demands and Cashman decided not to bother wasting any more time.

As far as Johnson goes, you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about:

Johnson career OPS: .849
Damon career OPS: .794

As far as his injuries go, yes he missed most of the 2008 season, but he played 131 games in 2005, 147 in 2006 and 133 last year.

http://newyorksportsjerk.blogspot.com/

by New York Sports Jerk on Dec 20, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I never brought up OPS with Johnson

The only reason Johnson has a higher OPS than Damon is that he is great at getting on base and always has a great OBP, which is one of the things he does well. I don’t know about you, but I would much rather have Damon in the lineup than Nick Johnson.

And yes, I did mean it when I said that he is about as injury prone as you can get. He was injured most of 2004, all of 2007, and almost all of 2008. Plus, he has had several other trips to the Disabled List throughout his career.

Everything I said about Johnson is true. He doesn’t hit for a very high average- only .273 for his career. He doesn’t have a lot of power, as he has only got more than 20 HR once, and last year only had 8 in a “healthy” season. He can’t run for his life. And, like I said, he’s very injury prone. Thats why I don’t want him. He’s on the team now, and I’ll root for him to do well, but I don’t expect much and I won’t be surprised if he doesn’t do well and/or gets hurt. I hope he does well.

On Damon, I know that the Yankees weren’t going to wait around forever. But I think they moved to quickly away from him. Thats all. Damon was willing to come down (he went back at the last minute according to reports). And I don’t know what they said in the conversation. I’m just saying what the reports said, because thats all fans have. The reports said that Boras/Damon were willing to go back at the last minute and accept a pay cut, but the Yanks had already signed Johnson and it was too late. My point is that it didn’t have to be too late. But I think Cashman moved away from Damon too quickly. Thats all I’m trying to say.

by nyyrocks29 on Dec 20, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody is really to blame

Boras misread the market for his client though, because they only team that would have even considered giving Damon the kind of money was asking for was the Yankees.

At this point, Boras won’t get his client anywhere near what he was hoping for.

Blaming Cashman is insane though. It’s not his job to placate Scott Boras and play his little games for months. Damon isn’t worth $13 million per year, and Cashman knew it, so he went another route.

As far as Matsui goes, it seems like he wanted to play the field, and that’s just not realistic for this team.

http://newyorksportsjerk.blogspot.com/

by New York Sports Jerk on Dec 19, 2009 2:03 PM EST reply actions  

Months?

Where’d you get that time frame? Did a full week even elapse between the first Damon offer & signing NJ? Ten days maybe?

I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque

by LateInningRelief on Dec 19, 2009 3:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes, months

If the Yankees didn’t sign Johnson, Boras would have them over a barrel knowing they would probably still need to sign Damon.

Whatever man, you’re upset that Damon isn’t coming back and finding a way to blame Cashman. It’s not Cashman’s job to wait for Scott Boras to not be an asshole.

http://newyorksportsjerk.blogspot.com/

by New York Sports Jerk on Dec 19, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, man

I’m an old dude and not really prone to getting upset about baseball rosters.

It is, in fact, Cashman’s job to set a timeline for working through his A list, then his B list, then his C list. He did not spend enough time on the A list. It’s simple. I think NJ is a good option. I don’t have a dog in this hunt. Cashman moved to fast.

I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque

by LateInningRelief on Dec 19, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Damon will drop Boras like Arod did

And resign after Christmas.. the rest is history..

by NJHEAT on Dec 20, 2009 10:37 PM EST reply actions  

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