You want to be angry about the whole Johnny Damon situation? Blame this guy.
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Ed Valentine
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But he failed in that, too.
Damon will not see 2/20 anywhere else… so Boras failed to get the most money he possibly could. Truth is he blew Damon’s return to the Yankees AND failed to get Damon as much money as possible, instead hamstringing him into what will likely be much less money, with little hope of ever recovering the lost dollars. Damon’s earning power is toast (relatively speaking) as a result of Boras’ excessively greedy stance.
There’s an old saying on Wall Street: bulls make money; bears make money; pigs get slaughtered.
Blame?
How can you blame an agent for looking out for his players? Rosenhaus put it best: For some reason the fans always seem to get behind the team/owners, who have everything, rather than the players. Damon should squeeze every last dollar out of the remaining years he’s got left in him. Its not Johnny’s fault or Boras’ fault that the Yankees decided to choose this year to be frugal.
There’s nothing to blame but free agency. But free agency isn’t going anywhere.
It's hard to blame Boras...
When him doing the same thing to the Red Sox is the reason Damon came here in the first place. Right now it looks like he overplayed his hand but the offseason’s not over yet. Maybe he’ll get more than the Yankees were offering afterall.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 18, 2009 10:13 PM EST reply actions
Hey...
if I was a player…Boras is my agent. Plain and simple.
"It ain't over till its over"---
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I think Boras would be a good agent in the middle of a player’s career. It seems like in the beginning of a guy’s career, especially for a draftee, Boras pushes for too much, which raises expectations and sometimes pushes the guy into the big leagues too soon. At the end of the player’s career, Boras pushes for too much even though a guy may be better off staying where he is (to with: Johnny Damon). But if I were in the middle of my career going for my first big contract, I’d want an agent who’s going to play hardball and set me up for life, and no one does it better than Scott Boras.
by long time listener on Dec 18, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not mad at him.....
the game’s turned into a business not cuz of Scott Boras.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
The game always was a business.
Let me be clear: I think Boras blows… AND in Damon’s case (as well as A-Rod) he shafted his client, and did not serve him well. If I were Damon I’d be pissed as heck at Boras right now.
That said, professional baseball always has been a business. It’s baked right into the word “professional” as in one’s profession, his career. Prior to free agency, the owners held all the cards. That’s not fair at all. Now players wield some power of their own, which in general is a good thing. I’d certainly want it that way if I were a player.
that's what I'm saying...
Boras didn’t turn the game into a business…it already was.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 19, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
I just read on the NY Times
that the Yankees offered 2 years, and 14 million, which Boras rejected. Then Boras countered with 2 years, 20 million, and Cashman rejected that. Here’s the link.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/19/sports/baseball/19yankees.html
Personally, I think that Cashman is an idiot if he rejected 2 years, 20 million from Boras. Damon was a HUGE part of this team for the championship, and he was willing to accept a pay cut, like Cash wanted. And he rejected that. Weren’t we all saying that we would be good if Damon accepted 2 years, 20 million?
Don’t blame Boras here. He’s doing his job. All agents are supposed to get their players the most money they can. If I was playing (and I really wish I was), Boras would be my agent, I guarantee that. Blame Cashman for not bringing the player back. Boras was willing to accept 2 years, 20 million, and he didn’t do it. That is more than reasonable.
I'm liking where its going tho...
Cash has 2yr. 14 mill…Boras, 2yr 20 mill.
It gets to 2yr, $17 mill, to split the difference, I think we got Damon back.
$10 mill is reasonable ONLY if your going by his past contract. He’s worth 2yrs..$14 million. Anything over that is overpaying…yet, I’d do 2ys $20 mill…2ys, $17 mill sounds GREAT!
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 18, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta throw Damon a bone
Can’t completely whip him.
I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque
by LateInningRelief on Dec 18, 2009 11:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think it's a joke..
that Cameron gets 2yrs 15.5 mil & Abreu gets 2yrs 19 mil but Damon cannot get 2yrs 20 mil. Yeah maybe that is overpaying for Damon, but at least he is a proven commodity in the most clutch situations. Those other two are not and they are being over payed immensely. Yanks messed up on this one….not Boras
by PublicMenace on Dec 19, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
let's realize who's saying this stuff
it’s Scott Boras! for all we know he could be just posturing to make Damon look better.
it’s a little hard to believe that in a few days Boras’ demands could go from 4/52 to 2/20.
plus, the deal with NJ was practically done at that time, and the Yanks weren’t going to renege on that deal.
It's not that hard
to believe. Reality seeped in awfully quickly for A-Rod when he jumped ship. If you’re trying to get the Yanks to negotiate against themselves & Cash ain’t buying, I’d guess you could back-pedal awfully fast.
I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque
by LateInningRelief on Dec 19, 2009 12:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's his strategy though
Boras asks for obscene amounts of money for all his clients. Sometimes he gets it, but when he doesn’t, he still generally gets above market value. The way he sets it up, he gets teams to overpay for players but still save face in the media because they didn’t meet Boras’ original asking price. The 2 Yankee examples – Boras talked about 40 mil a year for A-Rod and in turn the media didn’t really kill the Yankees for giving him 27.5. With Damon, the Yankees outbid the Red Sox by 20 million for Johnny Damon, but since Boras had floated much bigger money for Damon, people actually acted like the Yankees got a steal.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 19, 2009 2:30 AM EST up reply actions
Reality seeped in awfully quickly for A-Rod when he jumped ship. If you’re trying to get the Yanks to negotiate against themselves & Cash ain’t buying, I’d guess you could back-pedal awfully fast.
The Yankees insisted they were taking a hard line on A-Rod. They ended up caving and giving A-Rod a record contract. That’s really not an example of them showing restraint.
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They said they weren't going after A-Rod
because they thought that him opting out meant that he didn’t want to be a Yankee, and they didn’t want a player there who didn’t want to be there. It ended up being just another money plot of Boras’s, and when A-Rod learned that Boras had officially gotten him out of NY, he told Boras to take a hike and negotiated himself. When the Yankees realized that he wanted to be a Yankee, then of course they signed him. He’s the best in the game.
A-Rod came to the Yankees. They didn’t go to him. They would have been perfectly fine getting someone else to play 3B. They weren’t pursuing him. A-Rod reached out to the Yankees. It was really A-Rod, not the Yankees, who caved.
The A-Rod situation
Is a perfect example of Boras playing the Yankees like a fiddle. The Yankees issued the ultimatum about the opt-out…Boras called their bluff and won. Also by setting the bar at 40 mil a year, Boras allowed the Yankees to give A-Rod almost $300 million and save face. Arod had absolutely no chance to get that much money from any other team, and the Yankees were the ones who caved completely, but Boras set things up in such a way that they could do so without looking too bad.
by Let's Talk About Tex Baby on Dec 20, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
I guess you can look at it that way
I’m not sure what other team were willing to offer him because the Yankees resigned him while he was still in their exclusive time where they could only negotiate with their own free agents. 10 years, 275 million is a lot of money, but I thought that there were teams that would have offered him more (the Angels being the first that come to mind).
The guy is bad for the game
Yeah, Damon shoulda known better, but he’s a ball player. It’s his job to (think he can) move mtns. It’s Boras’ to job to know what that’s worth. This time Goldman Sachs will not come to the rescue, and frankly, Cash played this hand too hard (so far).
I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque
by LateInningRelief on Dec 18, 2009 11:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Johnny's a Big Boy
If he was serious about staying with the Yanks, he’d have been back already. Scott Boras ain’t doing anything he’s not supposed to be doing. If we’re looking for someone to “blame”, it’s Damon, not Boras.
(I’m not really sure what the “blame” is on though…)
2yrs $20 million?
I don’t think Johnny’s gonna get that from anyone. You can blame Boras if you want but for whatever reason the Yankees were done with Johnny Damon, I don’t believe they were ever going to sign him
yeah but Boras sure doesn't help
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by Joe Fortunato on Dec 19, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
It's not unprecedented for a player to represent himself in negotiations sans agent
It’s not like Johnny Damon doesn’t have options nor has the ability to switch agents.
Honestly blame the players more than anything
if you chose to be represented by Boras then you are going to be money first. Thats just the way it is. And I agree Scooby if Damon didn’t like the way things were going he could have told Boras he wanted a 2 year deal. Damon has to take some fault
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Obvioulsy, Damon did do
I always feel pressure. What I don't have is fear. -- El Duque
by LateInningRelief on Dec 19, 2009 4:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can anybody explain why the devil in this picture is wearing a wedding ring lol...
Just don’t seem right….
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by NYYWinsRings27 on Dec 19, 2009 6:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions
pretty sure its just a rendition of Boras.
Believe it or not..he’s married.
Not sure if its true or not (stuff like this is always debatable)…but supposedly he announced the Corey Patterson to the Orioles signing a few years ago while nailing his wife.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 19, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
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