Post your 2010 lineup
by Travis G on Dec 18, 2009 10:00 AM EST
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Nick Johnson looks to be the final addition to next year's lineup. The odds of Johnny Damon coming back are pretty slim right now. How do you set the lineup?
I'll go first (against a RHP):
1. SS, Jeter, R - one of the game's best leadoff hitters.
2. DH, Johnson, L - .402 career OBP is exactly what you want at the top of the lineup. He'll force pitchers to pitch to Tex and A-Rod.
3. 1B, Tex, S - great hitter from both sides of the plate. Perfect for the three spot.
4. 3B, A-Rod, R - no-brainer. The top slugger in the AL.
5. C, Posada, S - this is a toss up between Swisher and Jorge, but I'll go with Posada because of a slightly higher slugging average.
6. LF, Granderson, L - another toss up, between Cano and Grandy, but Grandy gets the nod because of a slightly higher OBP, and his SLG should improve with the short porch in RF.
7. RF, Swisher, S - Swisher really could hit sixth, but I don't want two lefties (Grandy and Cano) hitting consecutively.
8. 2B, Cano, L - What a #8 hitter! .306/.339/.480 for his career.
9. CF, Melky or Gardner - that's a damn good ninth spot, and both hitters are entering what should be their primes.
With a lefty pitching, the only differences would be switching Granderson and Cano (who hits lefties significantly better), and maybe playing the righty Hoffmann in CF.
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looks good
Swisher is a great guy to have because we can plug him anywhere depending on the pitching we’re facing. Same for Posada. Honestly, it’s great to have so many switch hitters in the lineup: Swish, Tex, Posada, Melky.
It’d be nice to see if Granderson improves enough to maybe fill the 5 spot and give A-Rod protection when they’re facing righties.
I like the potential of Cano in the #8 spot so if he can improve his RISP numbers, he’ll turn the lineup over pretty well.
I also am hoping for a breakout year by Melky, because offensively, he’s more valuable than Gardner because he can switch hit. If he improves enough, maybe switch him and Cano depending on the pitching?
Good job, Travis! :)
I can't remember which thread it was,
but somebody suggested a few days ago switching Tex and A-Rod, which I thought was a good idea. I know Tex got off to a slow start last year, which people attributed to lack of protection in the lineup. I think he just off to a slow start. Imagine A-Rod’s #s with Tex protecting him.
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by LateInningRelief on Dec 18, 2009 10:10 AM EST reply actions
I know the post you're referring to
but I think it’s hard to tell whether it was really a slow start or lineup protection that was the problem. We’ll see next year because if he doesn’t have a slow start, it’s the lineup protection. Just like A-Rod needs some protection or they’ll do to him what the Angels did when a pinch hitter was behind him in the playoffs, walk him.
I agree with the majority consensus that it’s not broken, so don’t fix it. Click the link Travis provided for A-Rod’s slugging numbers and then tell me you don’t want him hitting behind 3 people who can get on base consistently.
Now that I think about it, I can’t imagine what goes through pitchers’ minds when they realize they have to pitch against the Yankees and the only semi-soft spot in the lineup is way down in the #9 spot, and even then you can’t be sure. I have a lot of respect for the pitchers that face the Yankees and win, whether they are starters or relievers, because you gotta have something that tells you you can beat these guys.
I'm all for not fixing what
ain’t broke, but just remember that Jeter was considered the prototypical 2-hole hitter until he demonstrated he was really the prototypical leadoff guy.
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by LateInningRelief on Dec 18, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
For his career
Teixeira has hit .252/.352/.437/.790 in April with only 22 HRs total (that’s about half of his total for all other months). For every other month he is almost disturbingly consistent with something around a .280/.370/.550/.920 line. I would guess he’s just a naturally slow starter for the season.
I'm pretty sure they've said they brought Granderson in as a CF
so Melkman would probably be in LF. I’m still not convinced the door to Damon is closed so just to be different I’ll say it goes-
Jeets
Damon
Tex
Arod
Johnson
Posada
Granderson
Swisher
Cano
Maybe vs tough LHP you can flip Cano and Granderson. I absolutely hate having Cano in the 9 spot but you know how Joe likes his L-R-L-R-L splits.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
Bay/Holliday are still out there....so is Damon.
Jeet
Johnson
Tex
A-Rod
Holliday
Posada
Grandy
Swisher
Cano
Against lefties…either start Leche, or switch Grandy and Robbie.
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3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
i agree with casanovawong about granderson being a CF, i see melkey in LF personally.
one thing i disagree with is at the beginning of the post “Nick Johnson looks to be the final addition to next year’s lineup.”
for some reason i dont think we’ll go into the season with BG, melk and swish. i think that 2 of them will get traded for a LF/RF upgrade. im not saying i want this but i dont believe the production of mats/damon has been replaced.
the only way i could see our lineup being finalized is if cash goes and gets big contract starters. even then if he trades for a starter, i think one of the OF will be in the deal.
Melky in LF
Good post Travis
Johnson is a solid one year solution at DH while we get a good look at Hoffman and see what Montero can do in 2010.
Starting lineup looks good enough (and depth is OK) so that Cash may do nothing more than pitching this offseason. I would not argue if all he does is add Sheets
I'll bet they sign Holliday.
Jeter
Johnson
Tex
ARod
Holliday
Posada
Granderson
Swisher
Cano
In other words, I agree with FreeBradshaw, which is frightening.
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by New York Sports Jerk on Dec 18, 2009 12:03 PM EST reply actions
Make a note
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by New York Sports Jerk on Dec 18, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
With the money they are saving from losing Matsui and Damon
I would be all for signing Holliday
by HappyLuckyGoldenDragonNumber1! on Dec 18, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
We're good for now
We need to save money for next year’s offseason. No need to overpay for Holliday and Bay. Not only do we need to re-sign the Captain/Mo, but the following players might be FAs:
(Thanks T. Kepner of the NYT)
“Also, there is this: next year’s free-agent class could be the best ever, with Josh Beckett, Carl Crawford, Cliff Lee, Joe Mauer, Brandon Webb and Jayson Werth -– not to mention Derek Jeter and Mariano Rivera. "
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you don't save for next year's offseason.
NONE of that is definite.
Matt Holliday and Jason Bay are DEFINITELY available.
Who the hell knows if any of the guys you mentioned will be available?
Obviously…if any are, I’d love for the Yanks to grab them.
I’m sure they Yankees aren’t concerned with next year’s FA crop. They’d be pretty stupid if they were saving up for next year (they aren’t the Knicks…not saying the new Knicks regime is dumb…but there is no salary cap in baseball so it makes even less sense to save money for next year).
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3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 19, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
damn.....
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 18, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
2010 Opening day starting lineup
-Jeter SS
-Johnson DH
-Teixeira 1B
-A-Rod 3B
-Posada C
-Granderson CF
-Cano 2B
-Swisher RF
-DeRosa LF
Thats right DeRosa =]
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by SportsDalaiLama on Dec 18, 2009 12:24 PM EST reply actions
probably the most realistic IMO.
Weren’t the Yanks talking to Derosa?
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 18, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Melky Gardner
As an unabashed fan of the Melky Gardner duo, I’d rather have them rotate duties in the outfield than slot DeRosa in at LF. Mark should play just about as good offense as the tandem team and defends like a mix between the two. Mind you I’m not opposed to signing the guy, I just think that when you factor in Gardner’s superior speed, he’d be a better outfielder. I’d limit DeRosa to relieving the infield. That would make him Pena’s replacement and insurance in case the unspeakable happens to someone.
Of course, my love for Gardner and Melky comes from defensive metrics and the belief that they’ll be able to continue the success they’ve had in limited PA over to more full seasons.
Cabredner in LF
wouldn’t kill the Yankees.
1-8…we got AS and borderline AS all around, so a defensive minded LF wouldn’t kill them,
And yea, Derosa is not better overall than those 2….
I’m just thinking that this proposed trade of Melky for Derek Lowe eventually happens.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 18, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
Melky for Lowe
would be interesting but doesn’t he have a lot of expensive years left on his contract?
he does.
which is why since I read that the Braves would pay a lot of his salary…I like it.
If it was just Lowe for Melky…not so sure. Its a big contract, but if the Braves are shaving off some $$$…I like it.
He could be a solid #3-4 veteran starter.
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3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 19, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Yankees all day.
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That looks good
The only question for me: should Granderson be 5th or 6th? If we legitimately think he can hit 35 HR in the new YS, that would make him our 3rd biggest power threat on the team.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 18, 2009 12:57 PM EST reply actions
5th..all in all...
is a good spot for him, unless something else happens (Matt Holliday for instance….)
The 5th hitter for the Yankees MUST..MUST be a big RBI guy, cuz Tex and/or A-Rod are gonna get their share of walks, which probably is gonna load the bases up or get 1st and 2nd situations..a whole frickin lot.
So…while I think if we had someone like Holliday there (…or Bobby Abreu last season..would’ve had about 150RBI’s…) would be damn near unstoppable with all those situations…
I think Grandy, given that he got 71 RBI’s last seaon batting all over, but mainly leadoff..should be that dude.
Tho, I think the 5th hitter may be a revolving door, cuz Posada and even Cano (given better luck) could also do that.
Either way…the 5th-9th hitter…the Yankees have luxuries other team’s would dream for.
They sign Matt Holliday (or even Jason Bay….), they’ll have Robinson Cano batting 9th.
A potential all-star 2B (mainly cuz of what he does at bat too….) batting 9th?
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 18, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
Its very likely the grand wizard's number are gonna jump....
So much so that it can over shadow the production matsui used to give us……I think he’s the perfect 5 spot for this team….
Jeter
Johnson
Tex
Arod
Grand Wizard
Posada
Swisher
Cano
Melky
Would be my lineup…but I like the options I seen on here too…with this lineup there’s room for creativity…..
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If we get holliday it'll be hard to stop the constant salivation.....
Very hard…..
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by NYYWinsRings27 on Dec 18, 2009 1:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
WOW
Didn’t realize Nick Johnson’s OBP was that high. If Melky can have a breakout year like we all want and are anticipating, C&C at the bottom of the order could be deadly because then 1-9 you don’t get a break if you’re an opposing pitcher.
Here goes:
Jeter
Johnson
Teixeira
Rodriguez
Swisher
Posada
Granderson
Cano
Cabrera
Anybody in the mood for a repeat?
by ReggieARodJeter on Dec 18, 2009 1:23 PM EST reply actions
I personally have no problem with Swisher at #5....
not sure the ‘batting average’ heathens will like it tho…
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 18, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Here's Hoping...
Here’s Mine:
LHP:
Jeter
Johnson – DH
Tex
A-Rod
Posada
Swish – RF
Cano
Grandy – CF
Melky – LF
RHP:
Jeter
Johnson – DH
Tex
A-Rod
DeRosa – LF
Cano
Grandy – CF
Melky – RF
Missed Posada...
RHP:
Jeter
Johnson – DH
Tex
A-Rod
Posada
DeRosa – LF
Cano
Grandy – CF
Melky – RF
by Bronx_Booyah on Dec 18, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Lineup
I don’t think the Yankees are going to sign any more big free-agent deals for position players this offseason. So I don’t think we’ll see Damon, Bay, or Holliday in pinstripes. The Yankees do need another starting pitcher, in my opinion. I’d like to see them get Jarrod Washburn and keep both Chamberlain and Hughes in the bullpen, with Gaudin as the fifth starter.
Here are two lineup ideas. They differ from other people’s in that I don’t think Johnson projects well as a no. 2 hitter because he is overweight and slow.
Idea no. 1:
Jeter SS
Cano 2B (mediocre OBP, but good batting average and usually makes contact)
Teixiera 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Granderson CF
Swisher/Cabrera RF
Johnson DH
Cabrera/Gardner LF
Idea no. 2: Make Gardner the leadoff man and everyday left fielder. If he hits .270 again next year, think about how many bases he could steal and runs he could score in this position.
Gardner LF
Jeter SS
Teixiera 1B
Rodriguez 3B
Posada C
Granderson CF
Johnson DH
Swisher/Cabrera RF
Cano 2B
by albanyattorney40 on Dec 18, 2009 3:50 PM EST reply actions
a christmas wish
1st, i love the granderson trade. we now have great defense in of again. 2nd, do people forget how great a leadoff hitter he was a couple years ago? with jeter behind him, i see plenty of rbis for heart of lineup. 3rd, my wish. trade joba straight up to reds for jay bruce. with his swing & power, he’ll hit 50 hrs easily for years for yankees. & talk about protection behind arod in lineup. besides, get something now for joba, before people see him as just another inconsistent hard thrower. so, this way, we save some money, sign another decent starter, or trade for jeff johnson from fla, & get carl crawford next winter. so, this would be my lineup:
1- granderson
2- jeter
3- tex
4- arod
5- bruce
6- posada
7- cano
8- johnson
9- melky
so, theres my wish, brian. make it happen. jeter will have a shot at yogis 10 rings!
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Jay Bruce?
Damn……if we’re making stuff up, lets get Strasburg?
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 19, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
27th Heaven
I am surprised most people are having granderson hitting so low in the lineup. Yes he has some power but he is a speed guy. Besides the Yanks are going after another big bat, I would like to see Bay (Holliday is to inconsistent) so here we are…
Jeter
Granderson
Tex
A-Rod
Bay (or ???)
Posada
Swisher/ X-man
Cano
Melky
This will leave Gardner on the bench to platoon with Melky or either Swish or X-man and allow Girardi some flex for the line-up. My question is outside of CC, Burnett, Petite, who are we gonna throw out as starters (Joba needs to be in the pen as a set up man)
Why do you think Grenderson will play left field? I don’t see Hoffman getting much playing time but who knows.
it's not that i think he WILL
but i think he SHOULD. his CF defense was barely above avg last year, and was well below the year before. Gardner is an excellent CF defender, Melky’s above average, and Hoffmann hasn’t played enough in the Bigs to make a sound judgment on him, but scouts love his D: he was named the best defensive OFer in the Yanks’ farm system.
that said, if Granderson shows he’s back to being a great CFer in ST (like he was in ‘06-’07), then CF can be his.
Melky and Gardner in prime?
You can’t be serious.. I have seen six year old’s playing wii baseball that have a better swing then Gardner. Melky is average at best… Trade either or both for capps or sanchez from the giants. I’d rather have Shelly duncun then either of them
by NJHEAT on Dec 19, 2009 8:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
2010 lineup
Jeter—-ss
Granderson—-CF
Texieria—-1B
Rodriguez—-3B
Johnson—-DH
Posada—-C
Swisher—-RF
Cano—-2B
Cabrera—-LF
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