Nick Johnson just about signed
One year, $5.5 million, pending a physical. Buster Olney says it's on the 1 1/2 yard-line.
about 2 years ago
Travis G
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wait...
is in the NY Giants at the 1 1/2 yard line? We might not get it done if it is….
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let's hope he doesn't break his wrist signing the contract
by long time listener on Dec 17, 2009 7:43 PM EST reply actions
its alright...
he’ll take a walk anyway…
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions
Always.....
liked Nick…..Always. Great to have him back! Well, unless they fumble.
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Hmm...well, this puts lots of pressure on Johnny, though I think we've moved on
Johnson is low risk, high reward, and he fills our big gap…he can hit 2nd against Lefties.
Great signing.
I don't think it's a great signing
we are spending 5.5 million on Johnson and Matsui just signed a deal for 6 million. Is saving half a million worth that much?
Crowds are won and lost and won again, but our hearts beat for the diehards.
by Edwantsacracker on Dec 17, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
higher OBP then Mats
younger for what its worth
Mats signed for 6.5 million which means it is 1 mil less
i get what you are saying, but i think this is a great signing
by Brian5517209 on Dec 17, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
He's younger
but at the same time if you had to make a decision who is more injury prone? Now I admit that I am not a doctor and I haven’t seen the health records, but Matsui seems to be the more likely to be able to play a full season.
Matsui’s injuries were taken care of by DHing him and him getting treatment on his knees. It seems that Johnson’s injuries were things that he couldn’t play through and removed him from the lineup.
It seems like Johnson has way to many seasons where he missed alot of games. Say what you want about Matsui’s health, but until he broke his wrist, he played 162 games every season, and has played 142 the last two.
Crowds are won and lost and won again, but our hearts beat for the diehards.
by Edwantsacracker on Dec 17, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Johnson
Most of his injuries were fielding related (collision with person, collision with ball) He’s much less likely to injure himself at DH. No doubt they’re both big injury risks, but I’d put by trust more in the guy who’s current injury status doesn’t inhibit his batting/baserunning ability.
And Johnson has been in the NL for the last 6 years, he’s never had a chance to take a half day by DHing.
"Have faith in the Yankees, my son. Think of the great DiMaggio."
They are pretty comparable, but Johnson has been consistently better over the last 4 or 5 years, and he’s younger.
Right
The projections for Johnson are actually a bit better for next season, and he can play a in the field if necessary. I think Johnson is an easy choice over Matsui at that price
If Nick Johnson Is Such A Better Option Than Matsui or Damon
Why is Damon getting better offers, and Matsui with bum knees making more? Because Nick Johnson is unreliable. Sure Johnson can play the field, he’s a first baseman, last I checked we already have two first baseman. We are thin in the OF, we need to get Damon back.
cuz Damon and Matsui...
got BIG CONTRACTS before these….they produced at the same rate…so the YANKEES gave them a big contract in the past and their new contracts demands are about the same.
Damon had the same #’s as before..why would he want to sign for less (says Scott Boras?)
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Matsui's demands were the same as his last contract?
I thought he signed 6.5 million, which was managble and less than he made last year. Johnson is more of a health risk than Matsui and his knees. He has been hurt his whole career, not just majors, minors too.
by YankeesJets on Dec 17, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
how do you know that's what his demands for the Yankees were?
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
I dont, you are right
Im sure Matsui was looking for a lot more from the Yankees. I bet moving across the country was something he wanted to do.
by YankeesJets on Dec 17, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
why did the Giants
give Barry Zito $126 million?! GMs dont always accurately read the market or the player.
and OF is the position of depth. we currently have 5 OFers on the roster. we needed a DH, and we got one. a good one.
So Nick Johnson is a better player than Johnny Damon?
Nick Johnson is nothing more than a role player. You guys tow the company line better guys that are actually part of the Yankee brass. No signing is ever considered bad when its made. I am not saying Johnson is a bad player, but he is hurt every single year. If he was so great, somebody else wouldve grabbed him. How soon you guys forget who helped win this last title.
How soon you guys forget who helped win this last title.
the man most responsible is named Brian Cashman.
I dont recall Cashman popping up from second and stealing an unmanned thirdbase.
You guys take a comment and twist it into what you want it to say. Travis, you know you acting like a jerk. Holliday and Bay suck because they dont have contracts? How could you take that from what I wrote. How old are you guys?
by YankeesJets on Dec 17, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
this is where i get it from
If he was so great, somebody else wouldve grabbed him.
you wrote this. by your logic, the guy you love, Damon, must suck bc he hasn’t signed yet. as you can see, your logic is a bit flawed.
Have you heard anybody even talking Nick Johnson in hotstove?
Yanks were the only guy mentioned on him. Why would the Angels not grab him instead of Matsui? He wouldve cost less.
by YankeesJets on Dec 17, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
1. yes, the Red Sox
2. who cares? the only team i’ve heard mentioned w/rt Damon is the Yanks. does that mean he sucks?
3. you logic is again flawed. by merely asking why team A didn’t acquire player B, you’re thinking teams operate in a vacuum. for example, why did the Angels land Matsui instead of Holliday, Bay or Damon? does that mean Matsui is better than any of them?
The Ms are interested in Damon
The White Sox were in the mix until they got Pierre, and the Mets have been mentioned as a dark horse. You obviously dont follow baseball like I do. I am taking about comparable contracts with Matsui and Johnson, why do u keep bringing up Holliday and Bay? The Angels werent looking to spend big, or Lackey/Figgins might have stayed put.
by YankeesJets on Dec 17, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
again, by your logic
we should assume Juan freakin’ Pierre is a better player than Damon, right?
i’m not averse to Damon for 2 years, but 3 for a 36-year-old LFer (coming off a career year) is too many.
You are twisting my words and u know it
The Sox got Pierre and 11 mill, why wouldnt they take that over Damon? I agree, I wouldnt give Damon anything over 2 years.
by YankeesJets on Dec 17, 2009 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Why are you always right when you're wrong?
by Scooby Snacks on Dec 17, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Cashman didn't steal any bases
but he did actually SIGN Damon… and Tex, and CC, and Burnett, and traded for Arod and Swisher. he was the architect. have a little faith in him.
So if thats the case
then Cashman also wasted 2 billion dollars on a team that couldnt get out the first round since 04, before this year. You forget all the terrrible moves Cash has made too. We cant overspend on Damon a bit, but Igawa for 46 million is great, when nobody else was bidding close to that.
by YankeesJets on Dec 17, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
you're right
he’s not perfect. igawa was a bad move, no question. if you kill him on that move, how can you not credit him on a lot of other moves?
(and frankly, a lot of the moves around ‘04-’06 were engineered by the Tampa Syndicate: RJ, Brown, Sheff over Vlad, no Beltran, etc.)
U are giving Cashman all the credit
Sorry but the players are the guys that bring home the title. With that payroll, you are suppose to win. Why do you think the Yankees rarely win any executive awards, or Manager of the years?
by YankeesJets on Dec 17, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
With that payroll, you are suppose to win.
guess what? the Yankees do win. do you follow baseball? the Yanks have missed the playoffs once since Cash became GM. no other team can say that. the Yanks have the best record in baseball in that time.
why are you so critical of a GM that just delivered the title?
I dont agree with some of his moves
I have nothing against him, he did a good job last year. You act like he is more important than the guys on the field. And sorry, as a real Yankee fan, I can tell you unless its a World Title, its not a sucessful season. Sure they win 100 games a year, but if the year ends with a loss, its not a winning season in Yankee land.
by YankeesJets on Dec 17, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
the playoffs
are largely about luck, as is baseball in general. that’s why the best teams will only win about 65% of the time compared to football (~90%) and basketball (~85%).
how many shots does Lebron James take in a game, 20? Arod gets just 4-5 chances a game. baseball by its nature is geared toward upsets.
True
Just going by the Yankee way. Last I checked they didnt celebrate division titles the way other teams do.
by YankeesJets on Dec 17, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
What kills me about the Igawa
thing is that we just nontendered Wang to save 4 million dollars because Cashman thought that Wang would take too long to get back, and then he might never get back to what he was.
Thats alright. But at the same time, we have a 4 million dollar Triple A pitcher. Kills me.
Crowds are won and lost and won again, but our hearts beat for the diehards.
by Edwantsacracker on Dec 18, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Hadn’t thought of it that way. The Yanks think they’re more likely to get performance from Igawa than Wang.
Everyone’s been saying only the Yanks have seen Wang’s shoulder.
Here’s another thought I just had: if Wang is grumpy enough that he won’t re-sign because the Yanks beat him in arbitration last year, maybe they never thought he’s sign with them after his rehab.
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In one year plus here, you're the first to call any of the mods a jerk lol
by Scooby Snacks on Dec 17, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
I didnt call anybody a jerk
I said he was acting like a jerk. It is always you two guys looking to fight. How old are you and Travis?
by YankeesJets on Dec 17, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Older than I thought
See you wont answer because you are a child. Do me a favor, I’m not looking to fight with anyone, you obviously are, so dont respond to my posts anymore. I dont have anything to say to you.
by YankeesJets on Dec 17, 2009 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Believe me…I do try to avoid your posts. But just yours though.
by Scooby Snacks on Dec 17, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
With me?
I just was asking when you guys became Yankee fans. Neither of you guys will answer, so Im guessing recently.
by YankeesJets on Dec 17, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
you act like Matsui being healthy last year will mean he's healthy for 2010.
The guy’s a ticking time bomb……….
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Contracts
FreeBradshaw and Travis G are right, contracts don’t always match the value of the player. Because of injury risk, and the fact that Johnson just isn’t as well known, he won’t get paid as much. Damon’s contributions are overvalued in comparison. Good FOs are able to use those market evaluations to find bargains. Considering the risks and potential involved, I think this is a great signing.
How do you over value a guy that was just MVP of the WS?
We are talking a half million dollars here. Is Matsui on his last legs? Probably. But you guys can tell me that you would rather have Nick Johnson instead of Damon or Matsui? Im not saying a player is as good as what he is paid, but look at the differance in their values.
I'd rather have Matsui....
I’d also say Johnson is less likely to have his knees snap on his next swing than Matsui.
Damon is NOT worth his asking price.
Damon is NOT under contract with another team…who said he’s not an option?
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
Thank You
I feel like Im always on an island here. I would rather have Matsui too. All the anylasts are making it like Johnson signing signals the end of Damon’s Yankee career, and that is why I’m pissed with the signing. You cant tell me you would rather have Johnson over Damon. He isnt worth his asking price, who really is though?
by YankeesJets on Dec 17, 2009 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Johnson has NOTHING
NOTHING AT ALL…to do with Johnny Damon.
Johnson is in response to Hideki Matsui.
We’ll see on Damon….or Bay/Holliday….
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Than why are all the beat writers..
saying this signing will more than likely end Damon’s days as a Yankee? I think they know a bit more than you do about the situation.
by YankeesJets on Dec 17, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
Damon's a LF/DH
Johnson’s a 1B/DH.
The writers are fools……
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
They must know something or
perhaps they are trying to help the Yanks reel him in. Even if we dont get Damon, I just hope someone else is coming. There is no chance Nick Johnson stays healthy all year.
by YankeesJets on Dec 17, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
I doubt it man...
I really doubt that Nick Johnson is it.
Granderson and Johnson is not a bad offseason….but there’s more.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Damon
The reason beat writers are saying this is it for Damon is that the front office was pretty clear that they felt Damon would have to DH a significant amount of time. Once we signed a DH of comparable quality (I know we disagree on that point) it doesn’t make sense to sign him to play the same spot.
He complicates the roster because when you add in games that the rest of the players take DH games, Johnson will have been signed to play DH for fewer than half of the games. Not only that, but it vastly reduces the use of Melky and and Gardner. They are actually good players and have to be played to get value out of them. If you expect Damon to play mostly OF, then it basically relegates the two of them to rotating the OF, giving people days off. That just isn’t worth have two players for. One of them would have to be traded, but in order to get better value, they’d need to be traded before signing Damon or else we’d have lost leverage. There doesn’t seem to be any move to trade them yet, so it seems unlikely that Damon is coming back.
As a side note, if you include defense and are a believer in defensive metrics, (it doesn’t matter which, they all show the same thing) Gardner is projected as an equally/more valuable/productive player than Bay over the same amount of PA and fielding. This says equal amounts about how good Gardner is and how bad Bay is.
and I'd rathe have Matsui...
yet, I’m not gonna cry in my Cherrios tomorrow morning since we got Nick Johnson instead.
They’re BOTH injury prone…Nick is younger.
Nick is a million cheaper too!
Also…well, here’s your to do with Damon…Johnson is a ideal #2 hitter.
Its a damn good signing, for what’s out there.
All Johnson is, is a fallback option for Matsui being off the market. He got snatched up too quick for Cash’s liking..so, plan B.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Any interest in DeRosa?
I think he would fit in nice, if Damon doesnt come back.
by YankeesJets on Dec 17, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
for the cost.. Not sure what exactly it is...but still,
I think he’s in the mix. I dunno if he’s an every day LF, and it seems he’s a free swinger one year, and patient others…maybe its just a team philosophy thing, cuz he’s been around.
I still don’t think the big name guys are out of the mix.
..until Bay and Holliday are locked up by someone else..and the Yankees LF position is still up for grabs…they are a possibility, budget or not.
But yea, like Nick Johnson, I would’nt be opposed to Derosa..and I also wouldn’t cry in my Cherrios if they got him (I might reach for another bowl..)
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe Johnson will turn out well
Whether i like the deals or not, I am rooting for them to turn out well. I guess the Jets fan in me always sees the glass half empty.
by YankeesJets on Dec 18, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
If they don't sign Damon...
you can start to think Bay/Holliday.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
?
what did I do?
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
I object to Bay or Holliday for more than 5 yrs. Or Damon for 2. That’s it.
by Scooby Snacks on Dec 17, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
creative
but agree – Mats would have been better on a one year deal.
Glad to have Nick back – think this will work OK but he is a consolation prize
Well cant say im really pissed about it....
Nick johnson has pop and hits lefties very well…
Damn wish we could of had Godzilla but he wasn’t gonna play left…and that what he wanted….
Hope Nick doesn’t break a rib breathing…
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by NYYWinsRings27 on Dec 17, 2009 8:30 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Deal was declined.
Upon further review and physical of Nick, Cashman discovered a hidden (in no specific order)
1. Broken wrist
2. Broken back
3. 3 Cracked ribs
4. 12 broken fingers
5. A vagina
6. Half a uterus
7. Broken leg
Sorry guys, really hoped this deal would pull through…
by Gelatin on Dec 17, 2009 8:50 PM EST via mobile reply actions
LMFAO!!!
GREAT signing. 400 obp and good pop. i’ll take that in yankee stadium
This signing is what it is
This guy is always hurt. I wouldnt mind if he was being signed to come off the bench, but replacing Matsui to save a half mil? Give me a break. Knowing Nick, something actually will break. I hope this doesnt signal the end of Damon, because Nick Johnson is no Johnny Damon.
I coulda swore there was more to this thread?
Maybe I’m high?
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
I'm FREAKIN OUT MAN!...
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
nick johnson
when the yankees brought him up you could tell that this kid was a great talent, good around the bag,has a great eye at the plate. its going to be nice to see him back,no offense to nick but shouldnt cashman just signed matsui instead.and show him some respect for what he has done the last 7 years for the yankees.
mats
everyone keeps saying that they want matsui back, but MATSUI DOESN’T WANT TO COME BACK!!!!
matsui wants to play left field, and the yanks would only let him DH.
Matsui Cant Come Back
I think we are all just grateful for the way he performed and the way he represented the Yankees. I also think Matsui wouldve been fine with just DHing.
of course, he would have been fine with DHing .he also said that he would come back for one year as well.
Reporters
One thing they’ve been saying is that a big incentive for Matsui taking that contract with the LAAofA was that they would let him play the field on occasion. It mattered to him, and the Yankees just wouldn’t have afforded him the opportunity.
It's business, yanks sign a Dh who is younger and less money
Johnson isn’t a power guy but he can hit and get on base at a consistent rate. I loved matsui but yanks had over priorities first, but matsui couldn’t wait. Johnson maybe a risk with injuries but it wasn’t like matsui has been ironman in the last few years.
On a side note, listening to Lee talk about his deal he sounded pissed
He wanted to win and wants to be on a winning team and get WS. And getting traded fromt he phillies annoyed him and his deer hunting time. he said he wasn;t actually looking for extra money and weighs in wins and how the good the team was for his future. If he is true about wanting to win, i would like see him on the yanks after next year to sure our rotation…(since we missed out on lackey and most likely will get a 1 yr pitcher)
Perhaps We Should Root The Angels And Rangers On
If the Ms are in the tank by mid season, maybe they will move Lee. I think the Phils screwed up with this deal. Everybody here knows how much I wanted Halladay, but I think Lee did a great job for the Phils, dont see why they gave up so much for minimal upgrade.
by YankeesJets on Dec 18, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
i agree
yeah if mariners tank, we might try to get a deal with lee. but either way i think Lee wants to be on a team that can win consistently, which he sad was why he felt he wanted to stay in phillie. (also he thought about pitching along side with another ace like halladay) If he comes to NY he gets everything he wanted lol
Lee wants a Sabathia payday. Halladay could be had for less.
No need to get Lee at the deadline…he’s going to be an FA next year either way.
by PortlandYankee on Dec 18, 2009 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
Actually Lee said he wasn't looking as huge of a payday as everyone thinks
and would have gladly stayed with the phillies cuz they win games and consistently get to the postseason which is what he wants.
But i do think we should just go after him in FA not midseason, unless we are really in need of pitching depth. And since Sabathia and lee are great friends that gives the yanks another factor if they decide to go for lee. Mariners need to give King Felix a huge payday so no way they can keep both him and lee, also the red sox are prolly gonna have to give beckett and extension. so signing lee if Joba/huges don;t matter as starters as we hope or if Andy retires after this year, is not that far out of the question. Also this might be a reason by cashman wasn’t too interested in signing lackey.
Lee was only going to be a FA
if he didn’t get an extension signed with Philadelphia. And he’s worth Sabathia money, no doubt.
I was listening to MLB radio and they said that Lee was blindsided by the trade because he was under the impression that they were working out a deal for an extension. Then, bam, he’s traded to the Mariners.
I don’t get the trade all that much because the Phillies still now only have one consistent starter in Halladay (the rest of the rotation looks like it’s up for grabs in spring training with the exception of Hamels) and they gave away their best pitching prospects that could have been their future rotation.
If I was a Phillies fan, I’d be upset at that trade. At least bite the bullet and keep Lee for the rest of his contract. Don’t trade him and leave the WS question up in the air again. Honestly, it wouldn’t have mattered if Halladay was pitching against the Yankees this past WS instead of Lee because we could beat all their other pitchers. How is this an improvement?
With these moves by Philly and the Red Sox, maybe we’ll be adding Beckett and Lee to our rotation next offseason?
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