The Halladay trade and Erik Bedard
by swanny4eva on Dec 15, 2009 7:47 PM EST
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So, since i live in philly, I've had to hear how great the Halladay trade was. I personally disagree, i feel like Halladay/Lee is a wash. And considering they gave up another three picks for him, it seems crazy to me. They could have gotten him for less in july. Not to mention, the problem with the phillies isnt their ace, its the supporting cast. They really have no one but Happ who is reliable, and now your hopes rest on Hamels and Blanton? And since they broke the bank for Halladay, they cant afford another top flight pitcher. So lets not get too crazy about this one. The Phillies are absolutely no better than they were six weeks ago, and with the loss of Drabek, they may be worse. Plus, they are no longer allowed to say a word about buying championships to us yankee fans ever again. Now that i've cleared that up, what do you think about Erik Bedard? i know he has some injury issues, so does Sheets and the like. A lefty, who has a good career era, and has pitched with succes in the AL. i like him. but feel free to blast me on this, i can take it
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Disagree on the Philly move.
Yes, Halladay is probably gonna be marginally better for them then Lee.
But they are able to lock up Halladay for the next 3 years instead of Lee for the next 5-6 like he wanted.
Also, while they gave up big time prospects for Halladay..they got some big time prospects back for Lee.
All in all…they got a pitcher in Halladay who is better than Lee, and they got some prospects, namley Phillipe Aumont (who’s a better prospect than Draebek), who are gonna be damn good.
They really won out here.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
while i agree with you
on the fact that the whole trade is pretty much a wash, their real need was for more pitchers. and with the contract they gave Halladay, they can hardly afford anyone else. they better hope hamels is hamels of 08 and not 09
and yes
they got the long term ace they were looking for. so in that area, they win
yes.
they could’ve used another pitcher…
But, this Aumont dude is the real deal. He could make the roster as the 5th starter.
They had to sign Lee anyway next year. Lee was gonna cost as much as Halladay (apparently) and for more years.
So..they actually get a better starter, for less years, and better SP prospect than Drabeck. Tyson Gilles is also a good OF prospect…not the Taylor dude they sent to Toronto, but certainly a good prospect..
So….how did they lose?
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
well...
lets say they keep lee this year and go after some sheets type pitchers. their adding depth so that maybe they can win a game that is not pitched by lee. then next year, when they lose the adam eaton money, jamie moyer money, and some others that they are paying for, they can afford to extend lee or get someone else altogether. i guess im not saying they lost in this deal, im just saying they arent any better off with the exception of the sp prospect that is just as much of a question mark as drabek was going to be. just my opinon though. i certainly see and agree with most of your point
also
they dont need a 5th starter, they need a 2nd and 3rd starter. they have a stable full of 5th starters. so that to me is where they are lacking. you had the ace at a great price for one more year. use this year to get some quality middle of the roatation guys, and next year when all that money comes off your books, spend for the ace.
Also...to further prove...
the only reason they traded Lee was cuz they wanted to re-up him and he bucked.
So….it was either re-up Lee…or get Hallday.
Either way, for next season, they played to have the Lee/Hallday money locked in the payroll.
Yes…they could’ve kept Lee for this year and went all in. That wasn’t their thinking.
Who they got for Lee is better than what they would’ve got for letting him leave for draft picks.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
agree with all that
they got the long term deal they wanted, so a win for them. but can you honestly say they upgraded their team more than just slightly? lets put it this way, if they switch out halladay for lee in this past world series, is the outcome different in any way?
the last question...
No, its not. Maybe the Yanks beat him once cuz they know Halladay so well?
There’s no saying Lee would repeat his 2009 performance.
He’s not a better pitcher than Hallday.
The only thing they did was get a better pitcher. This was also more of a 2011 move cuz Lee probably was not gonna re-sign with them.
As for the rest of the rotation? We’ll see for them.
Happ for a full season. Maybe Hamels re-gains his semi-ace form?
They have pitchers on their roster that can step their games up. They don;t have to worry about being 7-8 deep at starter…the Mets may be their only comp…and they’ll fail.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind Bedard.
I think Sheets has more upside.
I also think Jared Washburn is more of a sure thing.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
Sheets
has mechanics problems which make the likelyhood of a another injury greater than Bedard. Bedard was pretty much the Orioles’ ace for a couple season, and if he comes back to the way he was then we’ve got a better 1-2-3 than the Sox. We have that with Sheets as well, but Sheets is almost a lock to get injured next season.
true.
and Bedard is AL East approved.
And like ‘bashman’ said below, non-media types like Mussina did pretty well here.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Mussina was not a media guy either
and he seemed to survive,maybe Bedard could do the same kind of side shuffle moose pulled.I will not complain if he is given a short contract,those kind of guys can always be moved if they can’t take it.
by cashman bashman on Dec 15, 2009 9:58 PM EST reply actions
Sheets over Bedard
Bedard has good stuff but that’s what they said about Vasquez and Pavano…I would rather see them take a chance on Sheets than Bedard. Plus, Bedard has been just as prone for riding the DL train as Sheets..
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Sheets has good stuff too..just like they said about Vazquez and Pavano.
….Sheets has always done it in the NL….Bedard..the AL, specifically the AL East.
Bedard, probably a better option than Sheets.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
compare...
Similar ages (Bedard is older)
Bedard – http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bedarer01.shtml
Sheets – http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/sheetbe01.shtml
Their numbers are similar if you project them having the same innings but Sheets has pitched almost twice as much. Bedard started out healthy and then decline in his past two years. I think Sheets has been more consistent for more of his career. Granted it’s AL East/West vs NL Central but Bedard has walked MORE batters than Sheets pitching almost half as much. The rest of the stats are very similar.
the 'rest of the stats very similar'
part is something that should mean Bedard should be over Sheets.
Sheets had more wear and tear on his already injured arm, as evidenced by the ‘twice as much’.
Bedard walked more people…cuz he’s gotta deal with the AL East…Yanks, Red Sox walk a ton…so do the Angels.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
Woops
Sheets is older, my bad, but by less than a year
Sheets & Bedard
I think either would be great, honestly they were relied on a lot in the past to be aces, having either one pitch at 3 or 4 in the rotation would be a lot less stress as on them, with not only being the # 1 guy but the runs the Yanks can put up in support. 1 year deal for either, I’m all aboard.
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